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£40 shipping?!Are you sending them by Unicorn Express?!! Well done for manning TF up I suppose...
check out Parcel2go for a quote from UK to Sweden... you think I'd take the piss on this now?! 😆 £26.60 + £7.50 for insurance + 17.5% VAT = £40...
insured to £200
Because that's what they're [u][i]worth[/i][/u] DAMMIT. 🙂
indeed 🙂
Peer pressure and the threat of legal action rather than conscience seems to have been the guiding factor in your decision
Peer pressure rather than conscience seems to have been the guiding factor in your decision
hardly... look back at the original post I made, I was just asking a ****ing question, hadn't made any sort of decision... my 'conscience' has been bothering me on this, I won't deny it, but my head has also been bothering me re. the money (I personally think) I'm losing...
anyway, I said I'm not going to argue or try do 'defend myself' about this, and I'm not going to... you think what you want, good luck and best wishes to you all! 🙂
Well at least your man enought to admit you made a mistake. 🙂
but my head has also been bothering me re. the money (I personally think) I'm losing.
But that is ebay, were you bothered when you got those bars at half price?
Ah yes, the old conscience versus money dilema - always tricky for those with very little conscience.
But that is ebay, were you bothered when you got those bars at half price?
They were used/second hand, so 50% was about right wouldn't you say?
Ah yes, the old conscience versus money dilema - always tricky for those with very little conscience.
Whatever... and everyone on here is as pure as the driven snow, right? What is it they say about glass houses and all that? Or 'he without any sin?' 🙄 😆
Ah the old relativism defence - always the justification of those who know they're in the wrong.
I love the way you still can't actually bring yourself to simply admit your mistake without trying to justify it.
We all know it, you know it, but you still can't actually bring yourself to say it can you?
Que? Are you reading anything in my posts, or just sprouting from the hip?
Not going to go into any of this, suffice to say that I made a mistake, shall learn from it I guess!
Clear enough for you?? I made a mistake, sorry 'bout that... I am repentant, I will say 100 Hail Mary's and flagellate myself for 2 whole hours (actually, that might be fun...) I'll wear a hair shirt whilst riding for the next month, I'll even abstain from sex and self pleasuring as well... anything else you'd like? Maybe a full page ad in the Sunday Times would placate 'Outraged of STW?' 🙄 😆
this is possibly the most horrendous thing I've heard since Mrs Miggins at number 14 found a milk carton in her neighbour's recycling that hadn't been rinsed out properly
shame on you
LMAO @ user-removed 🙂
Que? Are you reading anything in my posts, or just sprouting from the hip?
Yes I am reading your posts. I was just pointing out, as you obviously can't see it, that you still SEEM unrepentant.
You just apologised again, but then you devalued your apology with the Hail Mary stuff. Which is no apology at all.
The next move by the way is for you to transfer all of your rage at being "swindled out of your rightful £200" onto me for pointing out that you're still (in your head) not actually facing up to your responsibilities.
Go ahead. It won't help you though.
£40 dhl is intruiging top say the least: in a few years of hefty ebaying (mostly records and cds) I have only [i]needed[/i] to spend that sort of money posting really large packages: in europe particularly Airmail and airsure services are ace and way cheaper.
dgudge, not sure how well you know the postal service over here, but if you are in Sweden, psychle [i]could[/i] forget DHL at £40 and instead post the shifters to you by Royal Mail airsure which is fully tracked both in UK and Sweden, signed for and insured for up to £500 for about £12 (plus or minus £1 or so depending on the weight of the package) and it will take 3-5 working days to get to you.
Psychle, I know you are entitled to specify the shipping method if you hadn't already done so in the listing, but you will pay a few quid extra in paypal fees from the mahoosive postage (paypal is chargeable to the whole transaction not just the ebay sale) and lose even more money (to paypal) through this transaction than you feel you already have. You can do all this in 3 minutes over the counter of any post office. (don't forget to tell them the value of the package which add a further £2.50 to the postage price)
Hopefully this should help both of you out. 🙂
thanks for the top tip... when sending something, I always go with DHL or Parcelforce as they will collect from my work, saves me having to line up in the stupidly long queues at my local post office! dgudge, if you're not happy with the postage, let me know, we'll see what we can work out...
ahhh, share the love....
look back at the original post I made, I was just asking a ****ing question, hadn't made any sort of decision... my 'conscience' has been bothering me on this
Thanks for the tip - I did as you suggested:
So it would seem it was something other than conscience which was actually bothering you (or did you put that in quotes because you don't actually have one and it was a euphemism?)What're the repercussions if I just tell the buyer that it's no longer for sale? I'll get a negative feedback I know, but is there anything else (legal challenges or something stupid like that perhaps?)
the money (I personally think) I'm losing...
You still haven't answered my previous question though - how much do you think you actually paid for them in the first place? How can you be "losing" money when you got them as part of a bargain deal? I suppose it's a bit like a thief complaining he's losing money because his fence doesn't give him as much as he expects.
If when you've sold lots of bits on ebay you get back more than you paid for the bike will you be going back to who you bought it off to give them a share?
Quote and contradict me if you like, but this is my take on the whole tawdry episode
You got a bike cheap with lots of retro parts and saw a killing to be made
Joined Retrobike as many do to get a valuation and then advertise your auction too.
Saw that something similar had sold for a fair sum and rubbed your hands together
Obviously the auction didn't quite go according to plan,probably a fair few watchers so left it running just to see if it got a last minute rush
Dissappointment now sets in at the potential loss of all that new wealth and possibly your valuation skills
Try to garner support here for a less than honourable action and that also goes awry
I state again due to peer pressure and the threat of legal action you reluctantly honour the sale, but still feel aggrieved
You now try to justify your actions and despite knowing that you have acted improperly try to shift attention by trying to claim you have been bullied
To surmise, you have shit out and that's just the way it goes sometimes especially with these so called retro goodies.
I always go with DHL or Parcelforce as they will collect from my work, saves me having to line up in the stupidly long queues at my local post office!
Or to put it another way, "F*ck it. It's someone else's money I'm spending so why should I bother doing what most reasonable people would do"
oh FFS!
it does do my head in how people still apply the fluffy, pink cardy, one for all and all for one, bikers help each other out, ethos to ebay?
if this had been a forum thing then you could apply your fluffy misty eyed moral rules, but the minute this went on ebay then it became a business transaction.
the seller has to pay fees regardless, it is his item to dispose of as he wishes even after the auction ends, and even if the buyer pays (which he hadnt at the time of the screenshot and angstily worded entry) he can still refund the payment and keep it.
how many times have you bought something and paid for it from a bike shop then had them pull out and advise that it is no longer in stock at that price, but is available in a weeks time for more?
why didnt the buyer use retrobike and buy the item from the seller?
because he wanted to try and get it cheaper.
it was silly not to put a reserve, and really silly not to make it an international sale as this would be your main customer area (europe and the states).
But it is just bits for bikes people, not organs for children.
Tim, maybe you can give us your ebay identity so we can all add you to our don't buy filters too?
timdrayton0
or just check out my profile history
how many times have you bought something and paid for it from a bike shop then had them pull out and advise that it is no longer in stock at that price, but is available in a weeks time for more?
never
why didnt the buyer use retrobike and buy the item from the seller?
Because it wasn't actually for sale on there, just a link to the Ebay auction
Awsome pwnage / bustedness on this thread.
I may have to start a "busted" thread of the week thread. Or perhaps decade.
cynic-al
Dont you mean busted of the Millennium.
I guess ever.
This has been my favourite thread for some time, OP decides a ton is enough to '**** this up and mess some guy around'
it's not like I set up to **** this up and mess the guy around
Decides his own self justification is not enough and then the tide of internet opinion costs him said ton, and the crowd are still baying for it.
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that shit looks like a golfer
if this had been a forum thing then you could apply your fluffy misty eyed moral rules, but the minute this went on ebay then it became a business transaction.
Indeed. Why is it you think a business transaction on ebay doesn't follow the normal rules for a business transaction everywhere else?
The point you seem to be missing is that when an auction finishes there is a contract between the buyer and seller - the seller isn't allowed to pull out at that point. The only reason people do that on ebay and not in real shops is because they (think they) can get away with it. The seller pulling out at that point is specifically against ebay rules.
that shit looks like a golfer
Likewise. I guess we would score the same on a Rorschach test.
Nope you are wrong the seller has the right to cancel the sale until the item is received by the buyer.
Which is why the item is still the responsibilty of the seller whilst it is in transit, until it hits the mat of the buyer it is the property of the seller.
And his to do with as he sees fit, cancel auction or not.
As has already been stated the buyer enters a contract by buying the seller does not.
tim - I don't think you are right - the whole point of a contract is its binding on both sides. On an auction both sides are bound once the deal is made
Tj, you're wrong. the deal is only completed when the recipient receives the goods. intention to trade means nothing. and there was i thinking you knew about consumer law
Tj
I could be wrong mate my undrestanding of it was that it was yours till the buyer receives it.
Receipt (signing for of the parcel) being the transfer of ownership bit.
Like any shop a seller can pull out of a sale if they want to, ebay might talk the talk in their t+cs but they cant enforce them.
Otberwise what happwns if your garage burns down before you post said bike bit, or it gets lost in the post.
It is fair to say i wasnt applauding the whole business just mocking the usual stw over the top reaction.
Btw psycle has bought bits off me, and been a generally nice chap, it is fair to say he has never eaten any of my children*
*of which i am aware
thanks Tim.
An Australian Court has held that ebay consitutes a contractual offer rather than an invitation to treat so my guess would be that it is a contractual offer in the UK too.
EDIT: which means I agree with TJ.
An Australian Court has held that ebay consitutes a contractual offer rather than an invitation to treat so my guess would be that it is a contractual offer in the UK too.
Is that a legally informed guess?
What do they call a court with kangaroos in it again?
No legal training but know enough that Australian law is based on English law (it was a colony) so the position is likely to be similar subject to different ebay terms and conditions etc in the two countries.
mefty - Member
No legal training but know enough that Australian law is based on English law (it was a colony) so the position is likely to be similar subject to different ebay terms and conditions etc in the two countries.
Are you making this up? Our law is based on Norman law, but I think in the intervening years things change a bit.
Aside from the whole action of the OP, if you buy something from a shop and they're out of stock, they will automatically cancel your order after a set period of waiting and if they have taken your money, refund you. I can't imagine ebay is any different. If someone buys something off you out of the local paper, then when they come round to collect it you can't find it, they can't take you to court over it.
steve - I thought it was a binding contract once agreed as its an auction. However I wasn't sure hence the " I think"
Is an auction not different to a shop transaction? Its not an offer to treat but a binding contract once agreed?
Interestng stuff. So an ebay deal is binding on the buyer but not on the seller? sounds odd.
Just spoke to Mrs TJ who is the (legal)brains of this outfit.
She says its either binding on both sides or none.
Its an invitation to treat when offered for auction, the buyer offers to buy it. Once the sellor has accepted this its a binding contract. The sellor has agreed to sell to the highest bidder at the end of teh auction.
So the sellor can withdraw up to the end of the auction even if bids are made but once the auction is completed there is a binding contract made.
Howwever - this is internet expertry and old knowledge.