[Closed] Eat your heart out John Prescott

WTF so it's OK to spit on people because they're BNP? What about conservatives, lib dems etc? What about christians or muslims?
Is it the type of society you want where you can spit on anyone you disagree with?
Do you think you'd be charged if you spat in GBs face? effing right you would.

Crikey! What a bunch of fat-lad school yard slapping.
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WTF so it's OK to spit on people because they're BNP?

I'd like to think that rather than gobbing on him, I'd have sat him down with a quick dig, but as I've said before (and experienced, unfortunately) the majority of bnp members are fairly handy when it comes to what I believe is termed 'robust debate'. Still cu**s though.

No, Wilson V Pringle declared that the touching must be proved to be a hostile touching,

see if you can work out why people may think this appropriate for this party and yet would find it wrong against others.

I don't think you fully understood the post.

preach hatred and deportation of people without those British born people defending their rights

Am I really reading this tripe?

Kona, arguable both ways - but to be fair it had been superseded by the statutory definition of assault in CJA, rather than the common law definition in force at the time - theres little doubt that just touching someone without some form of hostile, illegal or malicious intent would be unlikely to constitute a "technical assault" even under the old law.

so it's OK to spit on people because they're BNP?

yes.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't spit on them, i don't like spitting, but i would be quite happy to see someone else do it!

Well if we're allowed to spit on the racists, then we're allowed to spit on the communists.

Interesting that you equate Communism with Racism, Backhander. Care to explain why?

I have said nothing of the sort, but I dislike both therefore I am allowed to spit on both.

If it were my car they'd banged into I'd be claiming damages from....one of them, not sure which, they're all idiots.

Oh, right. Out of interest, what is it about Communism that twists your scrotum that much?

C'mon fred - The whitewash of 'National Socialism' from a recognised "left wing" possition on the spectrum to a "right wing" one is an oddity of history bourne out of need during WW2 and never put to rest.

Hitler's party were the National Socialists, an obviously nationalistic but equally socialist group. Stalin viewed Hitler as an ally, as did the Communist Party of GB, and the USSR -Both Germany and Russia invaded Poland in 1939 - Hitler and Stalin having carved up the map at an earlier meeting. After our Declaration of War on Germany many British socialist opposed the war, indeed the Communist Party of GB organised strikes to disrupt the effort against their ideological ally.

Of course National Socialist is spelt in German with a Z in it, and the name was deliberately shortened to Nazi to downplay the socialist connection to unite the country. It was also termed far-right at the same time for the same reason; to put it at odds with the growing level of socialism in Britain, as seen from the manifestos of all parties in the immediate post war period.

The facts are plain though. The BNP are ignorant white-power socialists who think the historical murder of millions of Jews is a lie and that even if it was true it's probably a good thing! Meanwhile their most vehement critics are apologists for Maoists, Trotskyites and Stalinists, who's historical murder of millions of people in the name of socialism, is something to be quietly ignored because their ideology is pure and on the side of the righteous.

I'm not sure who is worse, the BNP for thier odious views on race and political oppression, or their hypocritical critics who fail to condemn with equal vigour the murder of millions in the name of their equally warped political ideologies.

I need a reason for my personal standpoints? Balderdash!
Thinking about it, I'm not keen on sinn fein and am saving a massive greener for islam4uk too!
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Thank you for that, Zulu.

I was thinking more about Communist ideology, rather than the dictatorial regimes that used Communism as means of social organisation, but I take your point that Communism and indeed Socialism are tainted with the blood of those who died under brutal and oppressive regimes. Of course, none of those people died as a result of Communism itself, rather because of the failings and brutality of the regimes which implemented Communist ideology. Whereas Nazism had the genocide of millions at it's core.

Somehow, I don't think most contemporary British Communists really hold up Stalin and Mao as examples of glorious leaders of people. And I really don't think any Socialists, myself included, are particularly big fans of Uncle Adolf or his followers...

That is a big arse isn't it 😮

Who Turkey Murder ? Usually yes, but I'm in full agreement with him on this one 😉

as for affray - that relies on the threat of unlawful violence, since they only acted in self defence, no such claim can be made.

If I saw that they'd all be coming in for Affray and it'd get dealt with at the nick. They'd all be claiming self-defence in the street no?

...and yeah, I was like a rabbit caught in headlights when that arse hoved into view!

none of those people died as a result of Communism itself, rather because of the failings and brutality of the regimes which implemented Communist ideology. Whereas Nazism had the genocide of millions at it's core.

Sorry Fred - that really is a whitewashing of history isn't it?

From the red terror through to the Russian Famine, the collectivisation of farms and the great purges, the Soviet union was founded upon the political, economic and ideological repression of the people - you cannot disassociate this from the machinery of the imposition of communism on a people any more than you can separate the Nazi party from its own horrific crimes. The same applies to the Entire nations, ethnic groups and religious communities that were subjected to enforced relocation and imprisonment in Gulags in the name of "the people" under Communist rule - Both Communist and Nazi systems deemed a part of humanity unworthy of existence, in the Nazis case it was the Jews, in the Communists case it was the Kulaks, the Tartars, the Chechens and the Inguish - whilst apologists might like to claim that it was class based, the fact that the classes selected often fell into identifiable racial groups cannot be conceived as mere coincidence, any more so than we identify a religious identity as an identifiable racial group in the case of the Jews. These were the communities who had been oppressed and subjected to so many privations already that their status as untermensch was already secured. Engels himself referred to Slavs "national refuse" and claimed that they deserved to perish in the revolutionary storm.

The communist system in Russia could not have operated without the oppression and murder of identifiable groups any more so than the Nazis.

Then we look at China - with the murder, oppression and genocide of the cultural revolution, Cambodia and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of the Vietnamese, Chinese and Cham Muslims, half of the of the estimated 425,000 Chinese living in Cambodia in 1975 perished.

Communist ideology is as founded in the field of oppression and genocide as any form of Nazism, you cannot remove the ideology from the imposition of the policies any more so than you can with Germany!

I'm not arguing that the imposition of Stalinism or Maoism had no effect on Humanity, Zulu. We've strayed from the point a bit.

Communism, as an ideology, does not advocate genocide. Neither does Capitalism, although probably more have died because of the greed for money...

Communist ideology is as founded in the field of oppression and genocide as any form of Nazism

Evidence please. I don't remember reading Marx saying that people should be killed....

What is it he says at the start? My laptop seems to have gone on a quiet kick but it sounds like "how many of you are robbers" now if some racist **** said that to me because I was black or asian I'd spit in his face.

Something along those lines, AA. Definitely something provocative, by the angry manner in which those young lads stormed over.

I've had worse shouted at me by racist c**ts. I just pity the poor ignorant idiots. Why let them wind you up? That's the mistake these lads made. Personally, I'd have found out where the parked their cars, and slashed their tyres. Stop them being able to go to other areas spreading their hate.

We've just come out of the polling station, . . .

Chunky meathead, with even chunkier dog and a couple of kids in tow, felt fit to tell all who could hear that, he'll eat em up (the dog i assume), he'll eat all them muslims up!

sigh .. .

Are Muslims tastier than other religions then?

Must be all that curry they eat or something... 😀

Yes, I believe that to be the case, especially the fundamentalist ones. Mmmm, fatwahlicious 😯

Evidence please. I don't remember reading Marx saying that people should be killed....

Is Marxism the same as Communism? Not sure it is.

Marxism is a form of Communism.

I have suspected for some time that m-cozzy is actually a specially created login purely to wind folk up...

I mean, no-one can really be that thick, and that much of an arsehole, can they? 🙄

Nah, troll. Gotta be!

[b]I have suspected for some time that m-cozzy is actually a specially created login purely to wind folk up...[/b]

Nail. Hammer. Head.
It's what I've suspected for some time, which is why I've not risen to it.
It could be ernie sat p1ssing himself.

backhander - Member

I don't think you fully understood the post.

mastiles_fanylion - Member

preach hatred and deportation of people without those British born people defending their rights

And spitting on someone is defending their rights?

Am I really reading this tripe?

z-11 to compare communism and nazism as ideologies is tenous even for you. Certainly they both ommitted atrocities but iirc only one was trying to establish a master race. Communism was a bastardisation of marx. I assume even you will agree the message of Hitler - nuremberg and Mein Kampf- is somewhat diferent from the message of Marx ommunism and his various books.

I'm going to have some Nuremberg sausages for my supper! 😀

(LiDLs; £1.39)

.....Zulu. We've strayed from the point a bit.

LOL ! Not really read this thread but noticed that ^^ 😀

Good grief............has ratty been using diversionary tacits.........[i]surely[/i] not.........I can't believe it !

Oh NOW he shows up 🙄

In the interests of peace and harmony across the forum, can we at least [b]ALL[/b] agree that it was indeed a very big arse?

It was, it was. Very.

That lady did have a very large bottom, it has to be said. Now I, as you know, like a nice lady's bottom, but that was a bit too much even for me...

But could you justify spitting on it?

When you say 'spitting'....

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it is a large bum

In the broadest sense you could say they are standing up too racists who want them to leave the country so I assume they think it is. I am sure other methods are both better and more civilised. I mean I could legitimately walk down the street and insult evryones wife SO as being ugly and frumpy which I assume is legal. I assume I would get hit quite quickly though. Not saying it is right - to hit me- but I can explain it.

Have some posts disappeared? M-cozzy's?

Hmm. Maybe they should have stayed; they served the purpose of making the far-right look stupid...

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/scotland/8666697.stm ]Here is what happens in Glasgow...[/url]

Excellent. Every single one of them walked off, leaving the BNP c**t looking like a prick. Looked like the Nazi was being led away by police at the end, too, as everyone is chanting 'Scum! Scum! Scum!'.

BNP soundly beaten in Barking. Even a rare Labour percentage gain. Great result.

Now [i]thats[/i] how you do it. Well done glasgow.

What happened? Bunch of BNP yobs attracted some yobs of Asian decent who fell for the trap of being lured in and not use their minds to fight (hoody says it all).

Lucky for us that the BNP yobs and the Asian yobs involved don't represent the U.K. or the rest of the Asian population.

Asians? I think that term needs updating as there are so many different backgrounds of ethnicity.

Obviously they were not Indian like Ghandi who had peaceful hunger strikes and not Macdonalds lol.

Violence is pretty dumb anyway.

Both Fail.

BNP soundly beaten in Barking.

Wiped out in fact. And the BNP won only 1.9 of the vote nationally.

Which quite frankly imo is staggering. The main parties are discredited, the country is gripped by a severe economic crises, there's mass unemployment, plenty of foreigners to lay the blame on........all the vital ingredients necessary for fascists to make a significant breakthrough and, the BNP vote collapses !!!

It really is the British people's enduring credit that whilst fascist have a substantial foothold in many European countries they are so comprehensively rejected by the British electorate.

Of course the work of British antifascists should never be underestimated. The BNP lost every single one of their 12 seats on Barking and Dagenham council [i]precisely,[/i] because the antifascists managed to encourage the ordinary decent people of Barking and Dagenham not to stay at home, but to instead go out and vote - to stop/kick out the BNP.

[i]All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing[/i]

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/07/bnp-barking-dagenham-billy-bragg ]How Barking and Dagenham saw off the BNP[/url]

Britain deserves to be proud.

Blimey! If Clegg, Cameron and Brown decide to settle it like that my money's on Brown.

The main parties are discredited, the country is gripped by a severe economic crises, there's mass unemployment, plenty of foreigners to lay the blame on........all the vital ingredients necessary for fascists to make a significant breakthrough and, the BNP vote collapses !!!

Billlllyyyy Braaaaagggg!

Top man. I admire Bragg for his ability to stand in front of such a slimy, evil, nasty c**t, and not smash his face in.

Seems that the BNP may now be facing a leadership crisis. Griffin has failed miserably, and even though the BNP share of the vote has gone up, they've actually politically lost ground. I suspect there may shortly be a schism within the BNP, where the extremist militant elements get pissed off with how 'moderate' they've become, and **** off, leaving the rest looking like a cheap tatty junk version of UKIP. In their quest to try to appear 'respectable', the BNP have had to ease back on the violence, and most of their hardcore members are only in it for the ****-Bashing anyway. They'll have to find a new outlet for their anger.

The Far Right are still a threat though, make no mistake.

I like billy too, he's an ex-squaddie. Good lad.

he's an ex-squaddie

Hmm...

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bragg ]

Bragg became disillusioned with his music career, and in May, 1981 joined the British Army as a trooper destined for the Queen's Royal Irish Hussars of the Royal Armoured Corps. After a few months, he bought his way out of the army for £175 and returned home, having finished his training, but not joining his regiment

Does it still count?

In my (and many others) eyes he took the queens shilling and completed training (in an infantry regiment no less). He's a squaddie. PM inbound if you're interested because I believe you don't have a balanced view of the forces and those who wish to serve.
Edit, no PM as your email aint online.

Fair enough. I was just curious as to how someone who never fully joined up would be seen. S'ok'; not a problem. Bragg's a good lad regardless.

I have no issue with Britain retaining sufficient armed forces for National Defence.

I suspect there may shortly be a schism within the BNP

😕 Shortly ?

You know we're talking about a fascist organisation here - right ? Fascists are [i]always[/i] falling out.

The BNP is a party based on hate and full of thugs.........you think that's a great recipe for peaceful coexistence ?

Only last month :

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/04/bnp-mark-collett-nick-griffin ]BNP official Mark Collett questioned over alleged threat to kill Nick Griffin[/url]

I aint getting into this with you fred. If the decline of humanitarian support offered by the UK to abroad results in better treatment of our volunteers then fine. If every one just looks after themselves, there's no one to help those in need. I understand that current conflicts marr the peoples opinions of those serving but their job is simply to do as told. If you're not happy with Iraq and afghanistan then I really hope you didn't vote labour.
FWIW fred, I dont want you banned. Good debate depends on reasonable judgement and responses which i don't feel is offered by grum/kimbers etc.

Dedicated to BNP and racists:

(not into LA but actually liked this)