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Spin, Scotroutes, my post was in reply to this:
It is selfish to break the rules when the rules have been set for a reason. Yes, people are probably a bit fed up but people die when the rules are broken, which ought to put it into context. Not going to birdwatch is less of an inconvenience that someone dieing because the rules were too weak.
@nzcol how did the lady who had the gate held open for her catch it off her hands? 😉
"I agree that’s a worry which is why I think the message needs to change and more emphasis be put on the other strategies. Maybe that’s what the SG will do"
That's an issue in itslef though spin. We don't know when or if there will be a vaccine. The standard, and frequency of cleaning will vary widely from one premises to another. The compliance with social distancing and wearing face coverings will also vary. Which leaves us with one strategy we know is effective, that is lockdown. For carious reasons our own mental health, backlog of other necessary operations etc, and the economy , lockdown has to be eased if possible. So we take cautious steps into a complex situation which is what I think the Scottish Government is attempting to do
I’m still waiting for an expert to explain why 2m outdoors is safe outside my house but not safe 20 miles away.
Simple really- if you've got Covid you're not moving it 20 miles to somewhere it isn't. And the person 20 miles away isn't taking it a further 20 miles and so on.
You're also not picking it up from 20 miles away and bringing it home.
While that might not specifically apply in your case, the rules applies to the population as a whole.
provisional dates for schools to reopen. Should be able to see child no3's first day of school before I start work - score.
Inverclyde - August 18
Renfrewshire - August 14
West Dunbartonshire - August 17
East Dunbartonshire - August 13
Glasgow - August 13
East Renfrewshire - August 19
North Lanarkshire - August 13
Falkirk - August 19
West Lothian - August 18
Edinburgh - August 19
Midlothian - August 19
East Lothian - August 19
Clackmannanshire - August 19
Fife - August 19
Dundee - August 18
Angus - August 12
Simple really- if you’ve got Covid you’re not moving it 20 miles to somewhere it isn’t.
It's impressive that, 12 weeks or so after the start of lockdown, people still haven't managed to wrap their brains round this rather basic rationale for the 'staying home, staying local' message. As much as anything, it's about limiting the rate of infection so that it doesn't exceed the healthcare system's ability to cope.
When it comes to heading into the hills, you also have to factor in issues like the finite capacity of MR etc to cope with people getting into difficulties. On a normal pre-Covid weekend day, we could cope with 3 callouts in a day (although that's not common in our area). However, at present, we don't have the PPE, technical kit or personnel to cover that.There's a 72 hour turnaround on decontamination of working at height kit, and we don't have the resources to issue duplicates, so a spike in 'shouts' related to easing of lockdown, or people flouting the rules, could overwhelm a team's capacity very rapidly. Of course it's a tiny percentage of people who head out that find themselves needing assistance, but by minimising the 'pool' of people for that percentage, you're able to maintain a viable level of cover.
...and no one heads out for a day's mountain biking expecting to have to call out MR.
@nzcol how did the lady who had the gate held open for her catch it off her hands? 😉
Ah yes sorry of course, she had to close the gate from the manky man with the plague.
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I don't think posting a full stop is going to end this piemonster.
@Poah we're still being told 11th August for schools in Shetland, a week earlier than normal.
provisional dates for schools to reopen.
Poah - Where is that from, please?
Stirling is missing - although I think they are August 11th, a week earlier than normal.
Ahah- from The Sun:
"<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Here is what every council has listed as its provisional date for pupils to return to schools*"</span>
Aberdeenshire - August 18
Aberdeen - August 11
Angus - August 12
Argyll and Bute - August 17
Clackmannanshire - August 19
Dumfries and Galloway - August 20
Dundee - August 18
East Ayrshire - August 18
East Dunbartonshire - August 13
East Lothian - August 19
East Renfrewshire - August 19
Edinburgh - August 19
Falkirk - August 19
Fife - August 19
Glasgow - August 13
Highland - August 18
Inverclyde - August 18
Midlothian - August 19
Moray - August 18
Na h-Eileanan Siar - August 13
North Ayrshire - August 18
North Lanarkshire - August 13
Orkney - August 18
Perth and Kinross - August 11
Renfrewshire - August 14
Scottish Borders - August 18
Shetland - August 19
South Ayrshire - August 19
South Lanarkshire - August 13
Stirling - August 11
West Dunbartonshire - August 17
West Lothian - August 18
*All dates are subject to change
Guess mid august is when the roads jam up again then, sicne weans these days seem to have an inability to walk to school. 😆
Stirling is missing – although I think they are August 11th, a week earlier than normal
I thought all schools were back on the same date 11/8 which is a week early for many.
provisional dates for schools to reopen.
To re-open part time that is.
Do NOT expect your child to be back in nursery or school full time in August.
You will be allocated either a few days or am/pm.
They will still be homeworking, as well as school or nursery.
They will be outdoors a *lot* more than before, certainly until October break. Buy they a good jacket and bunnet please.
We have been told 11th August for Midlothian but will have to see if both, either or neither of the kids will back on that date.
11th August was the date announced nationwide a few weeks back.
I got laid!
Hell yeah
Woohoo! Does yer burd know?
pmsl
Those school dates are a mess. We are back the week of the 11th but current pupils might not be back until 18th to allows p7-s1 transition. ScotGov say all schools open 11/08 so those are current pupil return dates.
18th as listed was the original return. I'll be it's just ripped from a www site.
Aye, they look a bit made up.
I got laid!
Hell yeah
Assume it was Boris? He's ****ed everyone else in this country.
Guess mid august is when the roads jam up again then, sicne weans these days seem to have an inability to walk to school. 😆
It's going to be worse as school buses are unlikely to be running so all the kids that took the bus will now be driven to school
Though only probably half as many on any given day.
Honestly, for the value added to kids education set against the hassles involved part of me just says F"£$ it, get em all in and see what happens. I know that can't and won't happen but there's going to be a whole lot of heartache for not a lot of benefit.
Honestly, for the value added to kids education set against the hassles involved part of me just says Fӣ$ it, get em all in and see what happens.
Massive +1 from me.
Tell them to stay away from Grandma, stagger arrivals a bit, review it regularly.
I work in one LA, my wife in another, and my kids attend school in a third. My reading of the above data is that it is pre-Covid19 dates quoted. I expect schools to reopen to pupils on either 11 or 12 August, but not to all pupils.
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Though only probably half as many on any given day.
More like 1/5 from the plans I have seen (Secondary sector).
More like 1/5 from the plans I have seen (Secondary sector).
We've been told that some of our rooms can only accommodate 5 pupils with appropriate distancing.
Anyone know anything about the trains?
Am anxious to book seats and bikes on the West Highland line as it's kind of critical to a trip we're doing in September. Scotrail not allowing bookings that far out yet.
Am guessing worst case there will be fewer seats due to distancing, but if all other restrictions are lifted it should be fine?
What about price, anyone think Abellio will find a way to gouge passengers to make up for lost revenue?
m guessing worst case there will be fewer seats due to distancing,
This is what it says in the documents but whether that will continue to September is an unknown.
TWeet Scotrail and ask them ?
TWeet Scotrail and ask them ?
Where's the fun in that? Anyway, I don't twit.
Trains appear to be running as normal - but with almost no one on them.
I headed out for a local spin last night , riding past the car park at the bottom of the hill i passed the local mtb club meeting up , there were about 9 of them . I said hello and carried on up the fire road , I have met up with 2 mates last week so i'm no saint but i thought 9 was pushing it a bit . I tried to push on a bit as i didn't want to end up riding with them but they soon caught me up and i had a little panic . Normally i would say hello and have a chat but this felt wrong and i was thinking should i say something or not bother . As they caught me it one of them told me they were all on e-bikes apart from one so they got away from me pretty quick . It made me laugh as I thought it was like STW thread bingo in one moment , lock down rule breakers , e-bikes and being overtaken uphill by e-bikes 🙂
Got a call from the school to say kids are going back in August to a 'blended' learning curriculum. Half the class in Mon/Tue, deep clean school on Wednesday, other half of class in on Thur/Fri, cleaned again at weekend. They've been trying to create online classes for the non-attendance days but given that they haven't managed to make GLOW RM Utility work properly over the last 3 months, I'm not hopeful for August. Dad's taxi will also be used as the school is several miles away and all the minibuses can only take driver + 1 staff member + 2 pupils, with understandable priority for families without cars. Anyone selling a Hase Pino?
Trains are fine.
I got the train home after cycling through for my all-conquering liaison with my lady today! And yes, I was a good boy and didn't do anal licking* and it was with my girlfriend not a prozzer, so I do feel bad I didn't support my local economy.
Just booked tickets to Rochdale for a few weeks away to fetch my campervan. Lots of tickets and some very cheap - only paid £30.
*
Limiting the spread of COVID-19 during sex
If you have sex with someone you don’t live with there are a few things you can do to lower the risk of getting or spreading COVID-19.Avoid kissing or exchanging saliva with anyone outside of your household.
Avoid sexual activities which include licking around the anus.
Use condoms or dental dams to reduce contact with saliva or poo.
Take a shower and wash your hands and body thoroughly with soap and water both before and after sex.
If you use sex toys, wash these thoroughly with soap and water and do not share them.
Consider sexual arousal techniques that don’t involve physical contact – like talking.
Mutual masturbation while physical distancing.
Limit your physical interactions by reducing the number of sexual partners you have overall, and/or at the same time.
Source: https://www.avert.org/coronavirus/covid19-sex
GLOW RM
Glow has been a disaster from the word go, I'm always amazed when I hear people are still using it. Or perhaps more accurately being asked to use it because actually using it isn't a thing.
A 2.0m + 6" long wanger is what is required for maintaining social distancing during sex...
I got the train home after cycling through for my all-conquering liaison with my lady today! And yes, I was a good boy and didn’t do anal licking
I didn't know trains had an anus. Is that to replace the guards van?
Got it from an NQT facebook page. Appears to be bollox.
It’s impressive that, 12 weeks or so after the start of lockdown, people still haven’t managed to wrap their brains round this rather basic rationale for the ‘staying home, staying local’ message. As much as anything, it’s about limiting the rate of infection so that it doesn’t exceed the healthcare system’s ability to cope
You're expecting too much of people.
Just told all schools back on 13th. 2 days per week, or if your school is larger or full 1.5 days per week. Let’s hope it’s not for too long as that’s going to be chaos
Just booked the last week in July for Isla. Fully cancellable if things aren’t permitted then, but felt it was time to do something.
Looking forward to beaches and distilleries and going to Jura 🤞
Oldtennisshoes. Go to Lagavulin and get a dram in their dramming room. I would go for the 16yr old. If it's bad weather they might have the fire lit which makes it even better. Just about as close to bliss as possible.
The Islay distillery tours are a crazy bargain (although you can end up spending a lot of money in the shops). I did Bowmore and Laphroaig when we were there last year and both were great. We had the dog with us and both places the staff came out and invited us to bring the dog into the shop area (and the free cafe bit in Laphroaig) as well. The island as a whole seemed very dog friendly in fact.
I concur with the recommendation of the Lagavulin 16 year old as well - very lovely indeed.
Honestly, for the value added to kids education set against the hassles involved part of me just says Fӣ$ it, get em all in and see what happens.
Tell them to stay away from Grandma, stagger arrivals a bit, review it regularly.
You really have no idea how much thought is needed to make this work.
We normally cram 200-2000 kids with iffy hygiene and cheapest possible cleaning contract into a building that is too small, rub up against each other all the time, squeeze through limited doorways, bring in materials from home all the time, muddle all of them together on a regular basis within the building, share everything from chairs to keyboards to toilets, with a lack of hand washing facilities and a staff of whom 15-20% are in the vulnerable and shielding category.
Can you imagine if any other workplace went '**** it, shove 'em all in, whats the worst that can happen?'.
going to Jura
October half term is mrs_oab, myself and two old pre-kids friends for a three day '5 ferries' bike tour with a day wobbling around Jura....
Hiking the west coast of Jura was one of my next ambitions on foot in Scotland. Not sure when I'll find the time for it sadly, 2040 perhaps!
You really have no idea how much thought is needed to make this work
Er, I think Spin's a teacher, and I'm pretty sure you're not?...
Er, I think Spin’s a teacher, and I’m pretty sure you’re not?…
The comment about just staying away from grandma wasn't mine so I don't think I was the target of Moaa's reply.
Thanks all, I'm looking forward to it even more now. 🥃 🛶 🏖
No you were not spin.
and I’m pretty sure you’re not?…
You're right I am not a teacher.
I am an Ex teacher and currently advising the Scottish Government Education Recovery Group working across three of the 11 workstreams as director of a National (outdoor) Education Charity, leading a small team doing some consultancy for multiple local authorities on use of outdoor spaces as part of the return strategy and practice, writing courses and resources on use of outdoor space, including the first guidance UK-wide on how to 'clean' outdoor spaces and resources and negotiating national use of an audit tool for schools, early years and childcare to assess their outdoor space and liaising with our Accredited Network in a few other countries including China, Italy and Spain who have some experience a few weeks ahead of us . I barely know my ar*e from my elbow on all this.
I said you weren't a teacher, which you're not, tuck your bottom lip back in.
I can tell from that last post that you definitely weren't an English teacher.
So, matt and nobeer, maybe we need to pencil in another Drumlanrig meet-up, probs in August, to sort all this out ? I’ll bring my ebike 😜
Drumlanrig will have you back in hospital, all those sniper roots 😂
Drumlanrig will have you back in hospital, all those sniper roots
Wet roots got me in the Nail Trail tonight. It's been a while so I'd forgotten that wet roots and worn Speed King Supersonic's = zero grip. My knee is reminding me now however.
Aye, drumlanrig will floor me to. A beer instead?
As you can tell, I am fairly invested in some of this. The suggestion that schools can somehow 'just crack on' is not realistic, unless we really do want a second wave in October.
I also am struggling to see how we ease lockdown, return to school included, without that second wave. Look how quickly it spread initially, we could be back there again in a few short weeks. 🙁
Drumlanrig is epic for shooting your confidence down in the first few bends due to those roots! Best when it's wet I reckon, which is just as well given where it is. 😂
I don't see schools being a factor in a 2nd wave, it's nigh on 13 weeks until they start back, we will be in a far better place by then.
I'm optimistic TiRed is right about the 2nd wave potential tbh.
What about price, anyone think Abellio will find a way to gouge passengers to make up for lost revenue?
Given Abellio have never made a penny from Scotrail I wouldn't worry.
Glow has been a disaster from the word go, I’m always amazed when I hear people are still using it. Or perhaps more accurately being asked to use it because actually using it isn’t a thing.
Really? Because it sounds a butt load of Covid better than SeeSaw. What a bloody car crash that is! It's like it was designed by someone who hasn't seen the internet since they visited Usenet 30 odd years ago!
it’s nigh on 13 weeks until they start back, we will be in a far better place by then.
9 weeks, got my months mixed up. 🙈😂
GLOW 365 because it'll take 365 attempts to do what you want.
Is anyone else thinking that a resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th July seems a bit accelerated from where we are at the moment? I'm seeing self-catering taking bookings already and the motorhome/campervan FB Groups are full of chatter.
Really? Because it sounds a butt load of Covid better than SeeSaw
Don't know anything about seesaw. We're on Google Classroom and it just works.
Maybe Glow has improved but I don't even look at it now unless there's a specific reason.
resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th
Bit early to say if full reopening is the the policy. All the stuff I saw just said tourist businesses were told to prepare for some sort of opening then.
Week before that for a lifting of travel restrictions, really looking forward to getting some hillwalking in, but we'll probably be sticking to the quieter Galloways, anywhere within day trip distance north of the central belt will be a nightmare.
As they caught me it one of them told me they were all on e-bikes apart from one so they got away from me pretty quick . It made me laugh as I thought it was like STW thread bingo in one moment , lock down rule breakers , e-bikes and being overtaken uphill by e-bikes 🙂
There was a similarly large group at Swinley (yea, not Scotland, I'm only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris).
After some thought I figured it might be that E-bikes are already stretching the definition of a mountain bike, so their users are probably more likely to stretch other rules too. Plus they're not being ridden for fitness reasons, therefore probably haven't been out as much as the normal bikes of the the past 3 months so more likely to jump at the chance to go out for other (social) reasons.
therefore probably haven’t been out as much as the normal bikes of the the past 3 months
A fair sized group of local guys that ride ebikes have been out way more than anyone else I know locally, possibly only with the exception of some solo roadie mates that were doing big miles before the 5 mile guidance came in.
It's the roadies that are used to their club runs that seem to have abandoned their riding over the period.
Does your bike fit in it ?
I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
Boris who?
yea, not Scotland, I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
At least she can speak and be understood. I know that's a low bar but it's a pretty important skill for a leader.
Is anyone else thinking that a resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th July seems a bit accelerated from where we are at the moment? I’m seeing self-catering taking bookings already and the motorhome/campervan FB Groups are full of chatter.
I think the penny has finally dropped in the Scottish government that huge parts of the country are completely reliant on visitors / tourism, and that businesses need some certainty regarding if and when they will be allowed to open.
Also, the Westminster backed furlough scheme begins running down in August which leaves the Scottish government with the option of a) topping it up themselves, b) taking responsibility for all those currently supported being laid off after all, or c) allowing the businesses to open before August.
At least she can speak and be understood. I know that’s a low bar but it’s a pretty important skill for a leader.
And actually show up.
thisisnotaspoon
I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
Aye, it's terrible. She's failed to kill as many of our weak and vulnerable as the beloved Boris who managed all this from within his fridge.
Without our loyal private care homeowners the score would have been even lower.
She definitely runs a crap eugenics science based programme.
And actually show up.
"All orders were now issued through Squealer or one of the other pigs. Napoleon himself was not seen in public as often as once in a fortnight"
Perhaps Boris is in Nobeer's fridge. If so I recommend ejecting Boris and replacing him with the appropriate beverage.
Perhaps Boris is in Nobeer’s fridge.
Nobberinthefridge
. If so I recommend ejecting Boris and replacing him with the appropriate beverage.
So holidays. Booked into house in Northumberland 4th July. Suspect this may be allowed to happen by cottage company rules (not yet confirmed). However I also suspect that we Scots will not be allowed to travel for leisure. Hmmm.
Also wondering if Nevis will be first uplift service in UK? One person or family group per gondola, but what cleaning would be required between uses?