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Two sons working in walk in CV19 testing centre are reporting a month of 5-20 'customers' a day, now risen to 70-90 last few days and over 100 by lunch today 🙁
As I've said a few times now, we will be in a position where cases won't be the measure, it'll be hospitalisations and deaths. We were in a position previously where cases very quickly meant the other 2 followed, but we should get to a position where cases don't mean the inevitable.
It's entirely understandable that there is a reluctance to rely on this at present though.
Totally agree Nobeer.
I see from todays cases that Moray should be in level 2 again now. Hopefully from Monday 😎
Fingers crossed Swavis.
There’s probably loads of factors tbh, as there is in any rise or dip, but keeping an eye on my local numbers, South Ayrshire (and the other 2 Ayrshire authorities) there was a bounce, schools weren’t a factor as they never started back til after that.
Schools began a phased return - P1-3 and senior pupils with practical work to do went back 22nd of Feb - about 2 weeks before some of those areas started seeing an increase in numbers. I'm not saying the transmission was in the schools - just the fact schools were going back meant parents mingling at the gates, the general message to society etc.
If you actually look at the data though I don't think it links properly - N.Ayr and E.Ayr were rising before the 7th March and S.Ayr was rising from the 7th Mar (so 0 incubation period). I'd love to be able to blame them for a delay but the data doesn't really back it up.
As I’ve said a few times now, we will be in a position where cases won’t be the measure, it’ll be hospitalisations and deaths. We were in a position previously where cases very quickly meant the other 2 followed, but we should get to a position where cases don’t mean the inevitable.
Cases alone have never been the measure, much to Edinburgh's disgust back in December! The emphasis from Jason Leitch today seemed to be that there was quite a large population in Glasgow, who are clinically vulnerable or >50 who haven't been vaccinated with first dose despite invitation. So there will be a concern that the link between cases-hosp-death is not broken yet.
Whilst I've seen the numbers actually vaccinated by area, and age group I don't think we've seen the numbers invited and declining/failing to attend. I think that might be revealing.
Where did you see this? Everything I’ve read (apart from something I happened to see in the Daily Record, and who believes that? 😉 ) has said no travel to/from level 3 areas from level 2.
It said that on the guidance page before the friday announcement. Of course now that there's a difference in levels it's no longer the case. We're now back to the 5 mile rule. Call me selfish, reckless etc, but I'm not sure how much I'll follow it. The idea of not being able to walk, cycle, or see friends/family outside glasgow for the forseeable future is painful. I'll happily test before I go.
As I’ve said a few times now, we will be in a position where cases won’t be the measure
Hmm, if this is the way it goes it could be a tricky few months for younger unvaccinated /single shot vaccinated folks who aren't keen on testing their luck with long covid.
pjm60
We’re now back to the 5 mile rule.
Where'd you see mention of a 5 mile rule this time?
@Poly aye, lots of factors, forgot about p1-3 going back early. Though the league celebrating started at least a week before your date, that was the date it was mathematically over.
Where’d you see mention of a 5 mile rule this time?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/schedule/4 which is current as per https://www.legislation.gov.uk/coronavirus#covidInfo
pjm60
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/schedule/4 which is current as per https://www.legislation.gov.uk/coronavirus#covidInfo/blockquote >
Thanks, I notice Scottish cycling left that out of their guidance this time, I did query it but got no reply.
I really feel for the hospitality trade folks in all of this, they've had a really shitty end of the stick. However, my radio is in danger of being booted about every time that arse end of a man that owns the Garage etc in Glasgow is on radio scotland.
Can I drive through Moray (without stopping) on say the A96 to get to the shire from highland?
Avoiding it means a detour via Dunkeld and adds 4 hours to round trip (in a day...)
Is the Inverness-Aberdeen train still running?
Can I drive through Moray (without stopping) on say the A96 to get to the shire from highland?
I hope so, I have to take friends to Dalcross from Huntly on Friday.
I was thinking that going via the Lecht minimised things significantly (and misses Elgin which is the epicentre).
just wondering about the legality....
Can I drive through Moray (without stopping) on say the A96 to get to the shire from highland?
yes, the legislation specifically permits passing through a Level 3 area to get from Level 2 to Level 2.
Not so much hope for people to behave when the police are going to 'parties' here too...
http://shet.news/43nr4
I really feel for the hospitality trade folks in all of this, they’ve had a really shitty end of the stick. However, my radio is in danger of being booted about every time that arse end of a man that owns the Garage etc in Glasgow is on radio scotland.
I think every time I've heard him speak the chances of night clubs opening in Scotland just got delayed further... I've not noticed him for a while - is he still in the night clubs are safe we should be allowed to open tomorrow with no restrictions mentality? He'd make a lot more progress if he switched his view to "crowds of drunk people in close proximity is clearly a covid risk, how can we mitigate that and support the arts and younger people". I don't think he's so hard up that he's had to sell his helicopter though is he?
@poly: thanks for that!
@Poly I hadn't heard him for a while, after such gems as his nightclub had more air changes than any where else you cared to mention, and his golden nugget - No other body has ever done more for alcohol problems than the Glasgow licensing trade.
The weegie Trump.
No change on East Renfrewshire? Infection rates now above what Moray peaked at.
We're way down the league now 😉
The weegie Trump.
Worse, Trump never had Psycho Dalek as a support act once never mind as a defacto house band.
As much as I miss going out I find it difficult to miss the Catty. The Garage even less so.
metalheart
Full MemberCan I drive through Moray (without stopping) on say the A96 to get to the shire from highland?
As long as you put the aircon on "circulate" it's fine.
No other body has ever done more for alcohol problems than the Glasgow licensing trade.
It’s true - just not in the way he implied! Nobody has ever done more for the EU than Nigel Farage either!
But he must be credible as a source of information on the music industry because he got an MBE, and it’s not like they are given out to Tory party donors or anything? Every one of them is earned.
As long as you put the aircon on “circulate” it’s fine.
Takes 15 mins for viral load.... I could just floor it...
metalheart
Full MemberTakes 15 mins for viral load…. I could just floor it…
Bit ambitious expecting to get through elgin in 15 minutes...
I see a Policeman is being disciplined for being filmed in the middle of the George Sq celebration. Are there not tests for intelligence/common sense before joining the police any more? That will be an interesting atmosphere in the van next shift bearing in mind there were 20 police injured.
"Whats that; Mad Eck has taken his own bodyweight in crack and barricaded himself in the room he keeps his machete collection? We have just the boy for the job."
Bit rich when the entire force facilitated the march into George Square no? 😆
Steven Gerrard and his Rangers players' actions have been branded "disgraceful" by Police Scotland for their "display of encouragement" after they celebrated beating St Mirren earlier this year.
Daily record is going with that the day. Right ye are Mr policeman. We kinda seen what you did too, twice. A shambles all round. 😆 we expected nothing less.
I'd expect a rangers statement saying it wisnae our fault either, soon enough. 😆
Bit rich when the entire force facilitated the march into George Square no? 😆
Escorting the crazies away from Ibrox and dumping them in George Square is not quite the same as being one of the crazies themselves! Surely not a surprise though that if there were 15000 angry white men waving union flags in glasgow that some of them would be serving cops?
Allowing them to get near Ibrox or George square in numbers in the first place facilitated it. No exactly difficult to block of some routes. They could easily have blocked streets or stopped public transport preventing gatherings in the first place.
Tbh I don't particularly care but the abdication of responsibility all round is just amusing.
I'm hoping we (Moray) get news that we'll be moving down to level 2 on Monday, we're at 36.5 per 100k as of yesterday. A pint indoors would be lovely, especially in this weather 😉
yes, the legislation specifically permits passing through a Level 3 area to get from Level 2 to Level 2.
we were having a discussion about this in our house this morning, abouttravelling through glasgow.
I thought the above was the case, but can't find reference to it here: https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/
only 'In Levels 0,1 and 2 you must not travel to an area in Level 3 or 4 except for a permitted reason.'
traveling through isn't given as a permitted reason.
I think I'm missing it somewhere.
I think you are missing it somewhere........ Halfway down the linked page.
"Permitted reasons for travel in Level 3 (Glasgow City and Moray)
The regulations permit travel to or from a Level 3 area if you have a reasonable excuse. They also let you travel through a Level 3 area to somewhere else. In doing so you should take additional care, especially if travelling by public transport (see section below) and minimise contact with others."
traveling through isn’t given as a permitted reason.
Restrictions on entering Level 3 area
14.—(1) A person who does not live in a Level 3 area must not enter or remain in that area.[F43(2) But a person who does not live in a Level 3 area may travel through it in order to reach a place outwith the area.]
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/schedule/4
https://invitations.vacs.nhs.scot/
If you've not had your vaccine yet, you can fill in this form and you will get a text telling you when it's scheduled and also your unique username, which you can then use to reschedule your appointment (potentially to an earlier date).
Bit ambitious expecting to get through elgin in 15 minutes…
It’s the kind of place that time has stood still, consequently I reckon I could get through it and out the other side before I even entered it... 🤪
I’m struggling to remember exactly where it stops and starts going over the Lecht...
Level 2 from midnight tonight!! 🙂
Your traveling through Moray is now a moot point
Thanks meikle_partans, that's a good link- I'm thinking my second dose is a little overdue now so I'll fire in a query.
Level 2 from midnight tonight!! 🙂
Your traveling through Moray is now a moot point
Woohoo, great news (one of my guys, Forres based, will be chuffed he’s allowed out to play again!)
Looks like there was an issue with getting the vaccination numbers in the Hydro over the weekend
Covid: Half of appointments missed at Glasgow mass vaccine hub
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57228041
The BBC understands that the number of missed appointments at the Hydro was higher on Sunday than on Saturday.
The Scottish Conservatives suggested there may have been an issue with people receiving their vaccination appointment letter on time while the Lib Dems pointed to younger age groups who they said "move frequently" and have less contact with their GP.
My first vaccine letter went to an old address that was changed (when I moved GP) several months ago.
It could believe that's the reason why. My friends and I are early 30s/late twenties and while I know my appointment is the week after next because of the link posted earlier in the thread, and my friends know they have appointments next week, none of us have had a letter through. Surely the GPs also have a mobile number in their records they could text the appointments to?
Surely the GPs also have a mobile number in their records they could text the appointments to?
I don't think it's the GPs that are arranging the appointments / sending out the letters. But I could be wrong.
I don’t think it’s the GPs that are arranging the appointments / sending out the letters. But I could be wrong.
You are right
But it's based on their records, isn't it?
I called up last week, and sods law, letter through door next day.
I reckon Glasgow will come out of level 3 on Friday, noises seem to be edging towards this.
I reckon Glasgow will come out of level 3 on Friday
To level 4?
The decision might be based on increase (or lack of) in ICU admissions apparently...
The decision might be based on increase (or lack of) in ICU admissions apparently…
Let's hope so.
To level 4?
What Paul0 said. If hospital numbers ain't rapidly increasing, deaths aren't rising, and let's face it no one in the affected post codes is staying put, then it seems silly to keep the status quo.
I got my first injection today.
Appointment arranged two weeks ago, received text message.
Letter appeared on Friday morning.
Edinburgh FWIW
Five people socially distanced coffee at work. 2 had been on Basically all day benders in the pub Saturday, third both her son's out for 8hours in a pub that was "jumping".
We're bloody doomed.
@scotroutes - that data excludes the last three days and the rate of climb has slowed somewhat already. It's always dangerous including data from the weekend but it does look to me like they are starting to level off. E. Ren has levelled off which is consistent with the quite brave decision not to put them in Phase 3 last week. I have to say I thought they'd called that one wrong - but it seems maybe they knew what they were talking about! They'll have another 3-4 days days to make a decision with for Glasgow and I think they'll be keen to show there's a route back out and claim a few weeks of restrictions has an impact. My prediction would be that Glasgow doesn't come out this weekend - but has very strong suggestion of coming out the following weekend.
Sturgeons more or less confirming that they are hoping they can start disassociating case numbers and hospitalisations going forward.
Which is only sensible, either vaccines work or they don't and were are just about there to start disassociating I think.
i reckon caution will continue till the over 50s all have the 2nd dose. But after that. The disassociation will have quite obviously so.
happen*
You classed as Glasgow Joe?.
nah, SL, just over the border though, which is quite amusing. 😆
@scotroutes - do you think MV Loch Seaforth will be back on duty next week?
The knock-on effect on the other routes is making me a little nervous about the Mallaig-Lochboisdale route
No, canny see it, they discovered the main bearing failure took out the shaft too, get some bloody vib analysis done Calmac! They've said 31st may at earliest, I'd expect it to be 2 weeks, who knows though, fingers crossed.
Has had a massive effect on Arran route, down to one ferry at 25% capacity, they're way within the guidelines, could easily relax and let 50% on, but seem quite ersit about it.
Just seen in BBC news there, they they're saying Monday now. Fingers crossed for you mate.
Thanks... I'm sure they'll honour the booking and re-route us via Oban or Uig but it's just not knowing is a bit of a pain
🤞
Aye, just hoping it's sorted too. Still two weeks away for us but knowing the state of the fleet, there's time for another one to break.
That is the issue now - the state of many of the ferries and no slack in the system.
Why have they* not leased / rented this Pentalina ferry that much talk seems to be of?
*I am aware that there is some complex Calmac/CMAL/Scottish Government arrangement around 'they', owning both fleet, rights to services and I believe the harbours?
Is that the Pentaland ferries old one?
Ahh, they'll probably charge handsomely for that seeing as they don't get any subsidies. Mind you it's costing them mooring fees anyway so may be glad to get it shifted.
Why have they* not leased / rented this Pentalina ferry that much talk seems to be of?
I think there's a lead time issue - which with 2020 hindsight you'd say means they should have started commissioning the charter as soon as the problems began but if you believe you can fix your issues in a month why would you charter (at huge expense and logistical complications) a vessel that will take 4 weeks to be ready to put into service?
I wonder if the economics would justify the hauliers either chartering the Pentalina directly, or bringing in some sort of small coaster for freight only.
Am I the only one who'll be watching this with interest over the next 3-5 days?
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:201024/zoom:14
Hopefully it moves quicker than the Evergiven 🙂
Glasgow will continue to be the only part of Scotland under level three restrictions for at least another week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57282902
I assume this movement means that MV Loch Seaforth is leaving Greenock for sea trials.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-4.735/centery:55.946/zoom:16
Anyone heading north on A9, be prepared for queues. Perth bypass at 2.30pm had three queues of traffic (two roundabouts and roadworks) all backing up quickly. English half term and bank holiday with staycation year...
Big queue northbound at Keir this afternoon, fortunately I was going the other way out of Dunblane. Given the forecast, there will be a few about this weekend, especially as it is a holiday for some.
Central belt stays in Level 2 as Glasgow rules ease
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57315436
The councils which will not be moving down a level are Edinburgh; Dundee; Stirling; Midlothian; East Dunbartonshire; Renfrewshire and East Renfrewshire; Clackmannanshire; North and South Lanarkshire; and North, South and East Ayrshire.
The rest of Scotland - including Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire; Perth and Perthshire; the Highlands; East and West Lothian; Dumfries and Galloway; and the Borders - will be moving to level one on 5 June.
With infections and R number rising, this does seem a little counter intuitive 🤔
Numbers in hospital and in ICU specifically also on the increase.
Numbers in hospital and in ICU specifically also on the increase.
They ebb and flow a wee bit, but haven't significally risen, and those that are in hospital are generally younger and have a better prognosis than the folk we had in hospital at the same stage of wave 2.
R number not the factor it was either tbh.
From a purely selfish point of view, level 2 is fine really, although I preferred it when the pubs were shut, less bawbags aboot. 🙂
They ebb and flow a wee bit, but haven’t significally risen, and those that are in hospital are generally younger and have a better prognosis than the folk we had in hospital at the same stage of wave 2.
I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced. At least the numbers in ICU look pretty flat though.
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^ I wonder how those ICU figures compare to seasonal flu ..