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And that's quarantining for folk coming from Greece too now.
FWIW, we also have a small cluster local to us. Only 5 folk so far but that's in a relatively sparsely populated area. I'm friendly with some of the folk who've been tested, some of whom are also my wifes colleagues. Local gossip suggests it's related to one of the British Legion clubs, in which case it might involve some "at risk" elderly.
What was that quote about whack-a-mole?
Apparently a lass just back from Zante, straight into the local hotspot, sookin the face aff half of the pub, and is being classed a superspreader.
Oh dear.
If this carries on, I think the pubs will regret being as blase, I don't think Nicola will be long wi them.
must not host people from other households in your home and do no visit some else’s home.
but you can meet them in the pub....
but you can meet them in the pub….
Aye, seems daft. I wonder if it's that pubs at least have T&T in place whereas they know that folk will do unregulated house visits if the pubs are closed again?
but you can meet them in the pub….
Yeah this is going to be a bit antogonistic in Aberdeen (5 mile limit/shut all pubs/restaurants)!
I'm guessing it's driven by their understanding of the transmission mechanisms driving specific outbreaks? Like the Coupar Angus outbreak, big factory, well documented, easy to do T&T on potentially exposed employees.
Not saying I disagree but the general public doesn't really do nuance...
My daughter and her boyfriend were supposed to be going to Corfu in two weeks' time.
The news about people returning from Greece to Scotland having to self-isolate for 2 weeks on return from Thursday morning has now made this more complicated.
She is desparate for some time away, but my son is in S6 and doesn't want to have to miss any school time. Personally I don't want to have to self-isolate for 2 weeks when she comes back and my wife feels the same. My youngest has only just restarted in S2 as well.
I can see lots of arguments over the next couple of weeks, ho hum!
but you can meet them in the pub….
Pubs should be operating social distancing and have track and trace in place. Theoretically safer than unsupervised contact at home. Note the use of the word "theoretically"
Indeed, the theory hasn't had three pints yet.
I don't get the desire to go abroad during a global pandemic. I seem to be in the minority I think!
Social distancing is a thing of the past going by my local Aldi tonight. Plenty of folk in not wearing masks and no one really bothered. I think it's going to take a few local lockdowns, maybe not so local, to get people cooperating again.
I am with you shortbread. I don't comprehend folks going out of the country for a holiday
See loads on pictures on line of people out for a drink, cuddling for photos etc.
Its a bizarre thought process, yes happy to wear a mask to walk round a deserted co op but also happy to sit beside a shouting friend who has had a few and nothing covering their nose or mouth.
My neice is 23 and was saying to her friends to all now go round to hers before 12 for a get together like it was a time a bus was leaving etc.
On the upside, that suggests she may actually try to abide by the new restrictions (otherwise there's no need to consider a deadline)
Ach well here we go again, was planning to visit my folks in Ayr but that's looking a bit risky now. Visiting my son in Glasgow is out of the question for a while.
The new restrictions make perfect sense to me, people have been partying in houses with too many others and no social distancing. Let's hope the clusters don't spread
15 positives and I know a few more who are waiting for results. In a town of 12k.
The family getting the blame were in Turkey told they didn't need to isolate on return. She felt peaky her work said go for test while she was getting tested hubby went to the pub.
A friend had to go to Kendal for a test from hawick (that's where he was sent) didn't taste his lunch.
It's all safe though.
having to self-isolate for 2 weeks on return from Thursday morning has now made this more complicated.
hey we're all desperate for some time away, not really sure what why this is so complicated if she can't or won't isolate on return dont go.
I went to the gym yesterday. Not really sure how I feel about it (well, my legs are sore, but you know...)
It's a Puregym, and while they've done quite a lot to distance it out etc, it still felt too crowded. There were only 60 folk in at the time, and they will let up to 109 in (according to their app). I think pre-covid capacity was nearer 200.
I can just see an issue where someone gets a positive test and loads of people (and me) get contacted to self-isolate and the gym gets closed down. They have very good info on who is in there trhough their door entry system, though I did see an option in the app to opt-out of track and trace?
It opens at 4AM and I checked the app which said <10 folk were in, so I may have to start setting the alarm for early morning workouts. To be fair, it was mid afternoon on day 2 of re-opening when I was in.
Just feeling a bit uncomfortable about it, especially as the general trend is the cases are rising. Loads of kids from local high school in there too...
loads of people (and me) get contacted to self-isolate
This is where I am tbh, saturday at the Kingshouse was the first time I've eaten out since this started (hunger won the day!) as I don't want that call either.
the general trend is the cases are rising.
I think this is as much down to testing as anything though, stated on radio shortbreed this morning that we are testing quite a bit more than any other region of the UK.
It's exactly this sort of thing that will keep the virus spreading back into areas that have started to see positive improvement re. transmission rates - drives me mental, I've been out for lunch a couple of times & it's been run really well, the pubs near me are open again & have been sticking to the plan with limited numbers / distancing etc. but ultimately all it takes is a couple of idiots to set us back another couple of months.
I was listening to a radio phone in just after big Nic made comments about young folk needing to toe the line & there were loads of people phoning in (including Joan ****ing Burnie, from France...) to defend the rights of young people to behave like young people & how it wasn't all their fault... few calls later a bouncer came on & set them straight, saying after a few double vodkas all sense of social responsibility goes out the window and the place is a free for all & he had colleagues all over the central belt and beyond saying exactly the same thing, and that's before the pubs empty & it's 20 folk back to someone's house for a party then back into work a day later... it's exactly this sort of behaviour that's driving a resurgence in areas that had very low rates of infection & sadly I can see pubs being closed again sooner than later
sadly I can see pubs being closed again sooner than later
I agree, but I'd feel for the owners and staff of decent pubs.
A better approach would be to identify problem pubs - one in town that is mobbed all weekend with 16-25 year olds is a nightmare tbh. The day the pubs all shut he advertised on social media a 'one last party' night, which was then binned when said social media went off the scale mental. Guys a pr1ck.
God knows how you'd do or enforce this though.
So, my daughter has said that she will self-isolate on return from Crete at her boyfriend's house.
Okay, that sounds like a good idea, but she also said "mum said that I can can come around and visit during the day when my brother is at school!"
Err, I don't think that is self-isolating and what about the other members of the household? I have been working from home since lockdown started and will continue to do so for a good while yet. I don't want her coming into the house at all.
A better approach would be to identify problem pubs
All this would do is send the problem people into the decent pubs, much like the problem we're having with problem campers at the minute. I think if one closes they all have to close unfortunately 🙁
All this would do is send the problem people into the decent pubs
Not 100%, there's quite a few pubs in my town who run a tight ship, won't serve anyone who's had enough, no groups of folk etc - It's them I'd feel sorry for really, landlords who are genuinely trying hard.
What it probably would do is increase the number of house parties and illegal gatherings.
Not 100%, there’s quite a few pubs in my town who run a tight ship, won’t serve anyone who’s had enough, no groups of folk etc – It’s them I’d feel sorry for really, landlords who are genuinely trying hard.
What it probably would do is increase the number of house parties and illegal gatherings.
That's exactly it - the folk who DGAF will behave irresponsibly whether the pubs - again, responsible or not - are open or not. Even bringing in hefty fines for flouting restrictions won't deter the worst offenders as it's had to fine a house full of career benefits claimants going mental on cheap vodka if there's nary a salary between them to pay it...
There's plenty of arseholes on good salaries. Plenty of good folks on benefits too unfortunately.
The point is that because we have a functioning track and trace system the government know that its not pubs causing the outbreaks in Glasgow - its folk mixing in houses
Twitter thread from Sturgeon explaining this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/02/uk-coronavirus-live-local-lockdowns-boris-johnson-pmqs
The point is that because we have a functioning track and trace system the government know that its not pubs causing the outbreaks in Glasgow – its folk mixing in houses
I'd question how 'functioning' this track and trace is tbh. Popped into a couple of pubs cycling the WHW for pints of coke, we only had to put one name down, regardless of how big the group was. If there's 4 or 5 folk in a group, and the contact details are wrong (on purpose or not) then the whole chain is broken.
The situation local to me was entirely down to one person returning from Zante and then subsequently going into said shithole pub, not a house, which was why I brought the pub thing up.
There’s plenty of arseholes on good salaries. Plenty of good folks on benefits too unfortunately.
Entirely - a lazy generalisation on my part, the type I'm referring to are the ones completely ripping the arse out of it, co-habiting couples with kids but claiming they live individually & sub-letting the "spare" accommodation to their mates who treat it like a 24hr rave cave or using it as a drop for smack heads etc etc... but yeah, on the face of it there's no material difference between them & the walloper in the big house at the end of the street that's turned his back garden into a 30 capacity boozer with a 50" tv and a bastard hot tub & has all his walloper mates round until 4am all weekend
Anecdote alert: I had 2 dinners out last week, only 1 took any details.
Not been to a pub.
Have been abroad (4 flights, 5 airports).
Cafe for lunch yesterday. T&T was using a notepad and pen that was passed around the customers. Valiant effort ruined in implementation. Other measures (spacing, one-way) were all fine though.
Local cluster in Grantown area. 31 confirmed, 29 of which linked with a local abattoir. I suspect that number will double over the course of the next few days. Given the amount of regular movement between Grantown area and Aviemore (including my wife and daughter) we're all being extra vigilant.
I agree, but I’d feel for the owners and staff of decent pubs.
A better approach would be to identify problem pubs – one in town that is mobbed all weekend with 16-25 year olds is a nightmare tbh. The day the pubs all shut he advertised on social media a ‘one last party’ night, which was then binned when said social media went off the scale mental. Guys a pr1ck.
God knows how you’d do or enforce this though.
Doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that Environmental Health should be visiting pubs etc (presumably based on risk/intelligence assessment) and at the least warning for non-compliance or issuing fines or closure orders where non-compliant. Police have quite wide reaching licensing powers for licensed premises anyway if they don't cooperate with EHOs, and I'm sure it would be appropriate to report problems to licensing boards which would undoubtedly focus the minds of the proprietors. Issue will be that there aren't many EHOs, and cooncils don't like to pay them to work unsociable hours...
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Free MemberDoesn’t seem beyond the realms of possibility that Environmental Health should be visiting pubs etc (presumably based on risk/intelligence assessment) and at the least warning for non-compliance or issuing fines or closure orders where non-compliant.
Absolutely, should be doing some high profile raids tbh. Treat it like you would any licencing issue (in fact, don't do that, treat it like you'd treat a licencing issue and also you're absolutely mental, like the Arches)
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Free MemberThe point is that because we have a functioning track and trace system the government know that its not pubs causing the outbreaks in Glasgow – its folk mixing in houses
I’d question how ‘functioning’ this track and trace is tbh.
Thing is, they'll evaluate how well it's working based on the actual cases they're investigating, rather than based on evaluating form filling or whatever. So if they have X cases and were able to confirm that they were household transmission then it doesn't matter if the pub down the road didn't do the tracing right, on this occasion.
Downloaded here.
Just downloaded it , I hope people get behind it and get it downloaded .
Yep downloaded it. Although as I'm not seeing anyone bar the missus and the consultant until next Tuesday it'll not be doing much.
What are we saying to kids/teenagers about not riding in groups of more than 2 when they are spending the day together in class with said riding buddies? I have to say that for the first time I think this is a Scottish rule that has gone a bit too far just so we can be better/safer than England. I agree it was sensible to standardise the 6 person rule.
Ignore above, just read on the other CV thread that up to 4 other households for outdoor exercise.
STW really is the font of all knowledge!
That means I can only meet folk from one other household in my garden, but up to four others if we are exercising.
Do drinking games count?
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Conflicting info on Scottish Government website, as it also says this on its most recent update :
Meeting others: indoors and outdoors
You are advised to meet people from no more than 1 other household at a time indoors or outdoors
Iain - that’s ‘meeting’ people. Wondering if exercising outside with others is classed as different in the guidelines? (I’ve not checked, being lazy, but had planned to meet 5 or 6 households in a couple of weeks time for a ride).
^^^ yes, that is for meeting people outside. Elsewhere on the website it says
Exercise and activity
You may meet outdoors with members of up to four other households at a time for exercise or activity.
Braw!
Is the 4 household guidance for scotland? I can't find it in the updated routemap.
