Try and do the right thing and try and be compassionate to others is my aim at the moment.
I think this is becoming my view of things. People's mental and social health is really low, mine included.
In reply to original title - they're not really. Smaller moves than hoped.
Yep, I was really hoping a beer garden might get the green light. A nice cold pint at the Fiddichside in the sun after a dusty descent off Ben Aigen is hard to beat 🙂
Doesn't look like @yourguitarhero will be posting for a while. He'll be too shagged out.
The Old Bridge Inn is going to be selling beer in sealed, takeaway containers for consumption off premises.
I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the long, drawn out lifting of restrictions, but then I look at the current death rates. Today, Scotland 2, England 128.
I agree with Scotroutes on the sentiment re deaths. That said I really think she needs to throw us a bone re the 5 mile rule.I really thought today she might have increased that distance , Its actually more restrictive than a month ago when It was deemed a reasonable distance . I'd consider a reasonable distance to take me from east lothian to the tweed valley which on a good day can be 35 to 45 minutes and about 27 miles. I genuinly cant see many people abiding by the current rules for long tbh.
Yep, I was expecting some revised guidance too. Maybe around the 25 mile mark. For many rural communities, it's going to be of little use having more shops open if they're not reachable.
The 5 mile thing is daft when you can now travel an unspecified distance to meet family or friends and use their loo. So I can actively travel by bike a long way to see a friend, as long as its travel not exercise?
... And it would seem that here I can travel on interisland ferries to visit friends or family, but not the northlink ferry to do the same on the mainland.
It seems the variations are actually now making the message more complex, difficult to get across simply, easy to confuse and, as above, somewhat illogical. Maybe that was inevitable.
The 5 mile thing is daft
Not just that but in my mothers street of 30 houses (kirkcudbright) there are now 3 families up from england in holiday homes (9 of the 30 houses are holiday homes but thats for another argument)
The 5 mile thing is daft when you can now travel an unspecified distance to meet family or friends and use their loo.
Don't know to what extent this has changed after today's announcement but the guidance for travel is now consistent for travel for any purpose, it's 5 miles guidance for all.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-2-staying-safe-and-protecting-others/pages/staying-safe/
Travelling to meet others outdoors
It is acceptable to travel outside your local area to meet members of another household in an outdoor space such as a private garden.
I’m becoming increasingly frustrated with the long, drawn out lifting of restrictions, but then I look at the current death rates. Today, Scotland 2, England 128.
Aye, spot on.
She's obviously determined that we're not going to suffer the same massively long tail out of this that England look like they're experiencing.
I hope where we're headed is being clear enough of this soon, to get schools etc back going full time, due to the work that's been put in.
Travelling to meet others outdoors
It is acceptable to travel outside your local area to meet members of another household in an outdoor space such as a private garden.
Hmmm ignore me then, not sure if that's changed since earlier, I read it and shared it elsewhere and just came back to it and copied link without reading it again.
I hope where we’re headed is being clear enough of this soon, to get schools etc back going full time, due to the work that’s been put in.
I think that's a major driver in this.
I’d consider a reasonable distance to take me from east lothian to the tweed valley which on a good day can be 35 to 45 minutes and about 27 miles
The problem is that's exactly what every mountain biker in the Lothians wants. The minute it goes up to 25 miles everyone will flock there, even if FLS say the trails are shut. I can see why it's in place, maybe the next phase we'll get a bit more leeway. At least you can ride with your pals now.
Hopefully the plan is what's posted above - if Scotland grits its teeth and keeps the death rate that low then we'll be back to actual normality sooner than England.
Wonder what the situation will be for travel from 4th July which seems to be the date that many holiday cottages and self catering accommodation are taking bookings from...
Hopefully the plan is what’s posted above – if Scotland grits its teeth and keeps the death rate that low then we’ll be back to actual normality sooner than England.
Suppose a tighter lockdown in Scotland gets us to "near" normal in August, at which time there's a spike in England. Do you think any controls of any sort will be placed on cross-border travel?
I hope so, a wee practice run....
One can but hope...
Suppose a tighter lockdown in Scotland gets us to “near” normal in August, at which time there’s a spike in England. Do you think any controls of any sort will be placed on cross-border travel?
I think that would be really tricky for her to present without getting lambasted in the media for being anti-english EVEN IF IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. In fact, the only way I think she could pull it off would be to imply she wouldn't do it, let the media get in a 'tiz about letting English holiday makers bring it back in just as we are about to get back to school etc - and then flip it round to respond to public opinion!
Wonder what the situation will be for travel from 4th July which seems to be the date that many holiday cottages and self catering accommodation are taking bookings from…
We've decided Northumberland cottage booked for 4th July is a no go even if cottage is open due to Scottish travel restrictions. Can't travel incognito due car being covered with boats and bikes!
Am confused. Wife is visiting her parents 45 minutes away with our wee one. Seems to think that's OK as only 2 households sitting in the garden etc.
Am I allowed to ride there to meet them?? If we're allowed to drive then why not cycle? It's no honeypot and I'll not be doing anything gnarly...
I'm about three iterations of the guidance behind, I only thought the 5 miles applied to max distance you were allowed to travel before STARTING your exercise...
^^^^^ we had that week in mind for Northumberland too but felt a few weeks back it was too risky. Now have an Aviemore week booked from 17th July instead, which I am hopeful of, but not convinced...
Sleepy and ygh, I reckon both of those scenarios are cool.
****ing yassss!
@LD - that's a shame. We should have been on Canada flight next week. ☹️
I think the Scottish government is pulling a good move here. Firstly its a subtle Scotland for Scottish holidays message - don't you cross the border now...
Secondly, it pushes everything out to the end of the summer holidays. This *may* both avoid a second wave and allow a faster return to (nearer to) normality, particularly for schools and childcare. The cost of a slow unlock is lower than a second wave and may repay us well at the end of the summer.
Am I allowed to ride there to meet them??
No.
Just how busy are the Highlands going to be from the 15th onwards with everything opening and only 3 weeks of Scottish school holidays left? Seems likely to create a tsunami of people from central belt to try and salvage some summer holidays in a very short time. Needs more gradual release from now or not at all till schools back.
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As long as we shut the border, things should be fine...
I’m about three iterations of the guidance behind, I only thought the 5 miles applied to max distance you were allowed to travel before STARTING your exercise…
It did until they published revised rules on 8th June, which recommended staying within 5 miles of home for exercising.
However, that didn't really make a lot of sense, because it was effectively tightening the restriction on exercise as other rules were loosened, so I think it was just poorly worded guidance.
The updated guidance published today says:
For this reason, our advice is that you should stay within your local area when you go outside for exercise or other activities. We encourage active travel, for example by walking or cycling, but you may also drive.
As a guide, rather than a fixed limit, our advice is that 5 miles from your home would be within your local area.
(my emphasis)
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-2-staying-safe-and-protecting-others/pages/meeting-others/
Also published on the Sport Scotland Website today:
Going for a solo cycle ride from your front door that is more than 5 miles from home does not raise the transmission risk for yourself or for others, and going by the guidance above, it is not prohibited. It's clearly not the same as people driving long distances to congregate in popular spots, and potentially mingling at filling stations on the way. If you use your common sense and keep yourself and other people safe, I can't see any problem here.
To be honest, I'm OK with the stricter rules up here. My spidey sense suggests a second wave coming along as UK government seem to be playing politics over science now - we're just about at the bit where Boris Johnson wipes it off on the curtains and borrows £20 off of you to "go out and get some Greggs" and never comes back.
13th-of course you’re can. You’re visiting relatives thus 5 mile rule doesn’t apply. As outlined yesterday that advice is for general recreation.
We’re nipping south in the camper for 2 nights towards end of July to visit other set of Grandparents at a distance. Looking at campsites esp further north def busy but then it is summer. Usual rules apply - don’t be a d1ck. Will be a bit of a balance between using local facilities and putting cash into local economies and not stressing rural areas and people out - will be delicate.
We have friends in Lochinver. They have a driveway. We have a campervan. It would appear to be within the wording of the new Guidance that we could go to visit them now, as long as we only go indoors to use their toilet. I'm not sure that is what was intended though.
I wonder how many babies were conceived last night in Scotland?
I wonder how many babies were conceived last night in Scotland?
Shaggin' is fine, nae rimmin' tho.
Ahem.
Scotroutes - No overnight stays still in place EXCEPT for those bubbling with solos etc.
I'#m going up to my mum and dad's in Fife next week, meeting my sister and her husband and kids there for a birthday party int he garden.
Gonna take the new camper and sleep in it.
Murdo Fraser - 'there is no evidence to support Scotland's decision to move out of lockdown at a slower pace than the rest of the UK'
He really should be looking at the figures such as Scotroutes graph up there. Scottish Tories are looking as useless as ever, negative as ever.
