What about price, anyone think Abellio will find a way to gouge passengers to make up for lost revenue?
Given Abellio have never made a penny from Scotrail I wouldn't worry.
Glow has been a disaster from the word go, I’m always amazed when I hear people are still using it. Or perhaps more accurately being asked to use it because actually using it isn’t a thing.
Really? Because it sounds a butt load of Covid better than SeeSaw. What a bloody car crash that is! It's like it was designed by someone who hasn't seen the internet since they visited Usenet 30 odd years ago!
it’s nigh on 13 weeks until they start back, we will be in a far better place by then.
9 weeks, got my months mixed up. 🙈😂
GLOW 365 because it'll take 365 attempts to do what you want.
Is anyone else thinking that a resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th July seems a bit accelerated from where we are at the moment? I'm seeing self-catering taking bookings already and the motorhome/campervan FB Groups are full of chatter.
Really? Because it sounds a butt load of Covid better than SeeSaw
Don't know anything about seesaw. We're on Google Classroom and it just works.
Maybe Glow has improved but I don't even look at it now unless there's a specific reason.
resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th
Bit early to say if full reopening is the the policy. All the stuff I saw just said tourist businesses were told to prepare for some sort of opening then.
Week before that for a lifting of travel restrictions, really looking forward to getting some hillwalking in, but we'll probably be sticking to the quieter Galloways, anywhere within day trip distance north of the central belt will be a nightmare.
As they caught me it one of them told me they were all on e-bikes apart from one so they got away from me pretty quick . It made me laugh as I thought it was like STW thread bingo in one moment , lock down rule breakers , e-bikes and being overtaken uphill by e-bikes 🙂
There was a similarly large group at Swinley (yea, not Scotland, I'm only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris).
After some thought I figured it might be that E-bikes are already stretching the definition of a mountain bike, so their users are probably more likely to stretch other rules too. Plus they're not being ridden for fitness reasons, therefore probably haven't been out as much as the normal bikes of the the past 3 months so more likely to jump at the chance to go out for other (social) reasons.
therefore probably haven’t been out as much as the normal bikes of the the past 3 months
A fair sized group of local guys that ride ebikes have been out way more than anyone else I know locally, possibly only with the exception of some solo roadie mates that were doing big miles before the 5 mile guidance came in.
It's the roadies that are used to their club runs that seem to have abandoned their riding over the period.
Does your bike fit in it ?
I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
Boris who?
yea, not Scotland, I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
At least she can speak and be understood. I know that's a low bar but it's a pretty important skill for a leader.
Is anyone else thinking that a resumption of Full Tourist starting 15th July seems a bit accelerated from where we are at the moment? I’m seeing self-catering taking bookings already and the motorhome/campervan FB Groups are full of chatter.
I think the penny has finally dropped in the Scottish government that huge parts of the country are completely reliant on visitors / tourism, and that businesses need some certainty regarding if and when they will be allowed to open.
Also, the Westminster backed furlough scheme begins running down in August which leaves the Scottish government with the option of a) topping it up themselves, b) taking responsibility for all those currently supported being laid off after all, or c) allowing the businesses to open before August.
At least she can speak and be understood. I know that’s a low bar but it’s a pretty important skill for a leader.
And actually show up.
thisisnotaspoon
I’m only here to chuckle at the delusions that Nicola is doing such a better job than Boris
Aye, it's terrible. She's failed to kill as many of our weak and vulnerable as the beloved Boris who managed all this from within his fridge.
Without our loyal private care homeowners the score would have been even lower.
She definitely runs a crap eugenics science based programme.
And actually show up.
"All orders were now issued through Squealer or one of the other pigs. Napoleon himself was not seen in public as often as once in a fortnight"
Perhaps Boris is in Nobeer's fridge. If so I recommend ejecting Boris and replacing him with the appropriate beverage.
Perhaps Boris is in Nobeer’s fridge.
Nobberinthefridge
. If so I recommend ejecting Boris and replacing him with the appropriate beverage.
So holidays. Booked into house in Northumberland 4th July. Suspect this may be allowed to happen by cottage company rules (not yet confirmed). However I also suspect that we Scots will not be allowed to travel for leisure. Hmmm.
Also wondering if Nevis will be first uplift service in UK? One person or family group per gondola, but what cleaning would be required between uses?
Also wondering if Nevis will be first uplift service in UK? One person or family group per gondola, but what cleaning would be required between uses?
Just leave all the windows in the gondolas open all the time? Could get breezy but surely qualifies them as 'outdoors'.
Any research into the effect of industrial quantities of Avon Skin-so-soft on Covid transmission?
Just leave all the windows in the gondolas open all the time? Could get breezy but surely qualifies them as ‘outdoors’.
When we were in that hazy not really lockdown period the ski centres continued to operate with either single individuals or family groups on each gondola/chair and socially distanced queues. I expect it will be similar as they reopen.
If they keep the phase reviews at 3 weeks we may go into phase 2 next Thursday and phase 3 on 9th July. Only once into phase 3 are we allowed to travel any distance for leisure or exercise.
We have been looking at cottages in Aviemore area and north of England, but only have a short window between 9th July and schools going back second week in August and there doesn’t appear to be much suitable availability.
Glencoe also have a chairlift 😉
I can see us camping a bit tbh, we were hoping to get away to one of the islands but I think that's completely unrealistic now. Thankfully we have a field we can get the use of so may have a few small gatherings if rules allow.
One for all those in education.
What occupancy of classrooms are your schools planning on operating at? For university lecture theatres, the current reckoning is 17% of capacity increasing to between 50% and 60% if the distancing is reduced to a metre. Assuming class sizes are halved, I'm struggling to see how all the kids can be accommodated even at half size. Moreover, I wonder what changes will need to be made to timetables in order to stagger kids moving around school between lessons? Single points of entry and exit to classrooms just add to the challenge of distancing as do narrow corridors unless you implement a one way system.
If anyone has any insight, I'm genuinely interested to know what you have been told as education providers? Stuff like this genuinely interests me from an operational delivery perspective. One of my friends is a teaching union rep at a secondary school in the central belt and he is at a loss to see quite how this is workable under current restrictions.
Anyone care to shed some light?
Cheers
Sanny
17% is about the average attendance at most of my lectures at Caley 😂
So what phase does wild camping come in at? 3 since above suggests long distance travel for leisure allowed then?
I’m struggling to see how all the kids can be accommodated even at half size
With practical class you’d have a max of 10 if the class sizes are halved. That shouldn’t be an issue. which means it should be easier for me to remember their names lol
So what phase does wild camping come in at? 3 since above suggests long distance travel for leisure allowed then?
I'm not really sure there's anything to say it can't be done in phase 1 or 2 Joe?.
I don't think we're going to see an announcement - wild camping is now allowed. It's not specifically ruled out in Phase 1. You are allowed to go 5 miles(ish) from home*. You can stop, picnic, fish, sunbathe, nap etc. during your time out of the house. There is no statement suggesting that this is only allowed during daylight hours. Does the virus magically become more dangerous after dark?
* I have countless suitable locations within 5 miles, including the one I used last weekend.
I’m not really sure there’s anything to say it can’t be done in phase 1 or 2 Joe?.
I’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to spend a night away from home in phase 1 or 2.
What he said ^^ (edit - SR, not Iain)
Yeah, have just read the regs and can’t see any reference to overnight stays in Scotland, just the 5 mile thing.
I've gone (local) camping a couple of times.
Hey Sanny,
A lot of the school numbers stuff is going to depend on specific buildings. Our frankly bizarre school lay out means it looks like some rooms can potentially only accommodate 5 pupils.
In terms of the fine detail, most teachers don't know much more than you at this point.
The other elephant in the room (maybe that's why we're only getting 5 kids in) is how many teachers will be available at what points.
Yeah, have just read the regs and can’t see any reference to overnight stays in Scotland, just the 5 mile thing.
I went through both the legislation and the guidance on scotgov.uk. If it's ok for me to head up to Loch Morlich for a nap on the beach in the afternoon then I really do fail to see how being out at night makes any difference, other than I'm even less likely to come into close contact with anyone. Anyway, I'm sure it's not camping if I don't use a tent 😉
The other elephant in the room (maybe that’s why we’re only getting 5 kids in) is how many teachers will be available at what points.
This is what’s worrying me. It’s my NQT year plus I have 3 kids at school and the wife is a key worker in the NHS. Teenager can stay at home alone but he other 2 can’t.
I think the general idea behind the ‘no overnight stays’ was that limiting travel to day trips puts a natural distance on where people would travel to. Of course you’ll be able to pick holes in it so feel free to fit the narrative to what you want to do, no reason not to.
I’m pretty sure a cheeky overnight et with appropriate caution and respect to landowners who may not wish you on properties etc would be fine, and has been for many people since day 1.
This is what’s worrying me. It’s my NQT year plus I have 3 kids at school and the wife is a key worker in the NHS. Teenager can stay at home alone but he other 2 can’t.
My worry is that it's going to be shit and that all really good schools and authorities will achieve is slightly less shitness.
I'm not generally a negative person but that's how I'm feeling about this. Sorry!
Hi Spin and everyone else.
Really interesting insights there.
The big challenge as I see it is planning for the unknown. While the ambition to get kids back is a good one, it is going to be a tough one to achieve in the current circumstances. I think what is fairly clear looking at the English approach is that ultimately all decisions will be political ones.
Getting kids into and out of school, having them move between classes and teaching them remotely as opposed to the current approach in Glasgow schools of just setting daily revision tasks on the Seesaw App all present challenges. A significant proportion of teachers at my daughters school have children so their ability to work will be dependent on the care they can put in place for their own children.
While saying that kids will be in 2 days a week is as reasonable an aim as any, I wonder how long it will be before parental and political pressure is brought to bear in the teaching profession? It is not hard to imagine teachers getting it in the neck the longer the current situation continues.
It's classic burning platform type stuff. The status quo isn't an option. With lockdown, we have had one clear goal but as things relax just a little, all manner of competing goals will come to the fore and they won't all play nicely together. The only thing we can be sure of us uncertainty!😁
One last point. I fully expect the attainment gap to widen. Down here in Glasgow, some of the private schools have really stepped up with their online teaching. The local authority approach is lagging behind in comparison at primary level at least. With so many homes without proper IT access, it has all the ingredients for a right old mess sadly.
Personally, I would like to see one week on, one week off for all pupils with additional in school support offered for kids in care and from vulnerable backgrounds. It would mean an extra day of contact time for every child every two weeks but also provide support those kids who really need it. The two days per week just feels like it lacks ambition or am I being too critical?
Given all the pressure to reduce the 2m rule for businesses I wonder if that might happen with schools.
Personally, I would like to see one week on, one week off for all pupils
That would be my preference but there may be negatives I haven't considered. Could be difficult with childcare I suppose.
Nobeerinthefridge
I’m not really sure there’s anything to say it can’t be done in phase 1 or 2 Joe?.
scotroutes
I don’t think we’re going to see an announcement – wild camping is now allowed. It’s not specifically ruled out in Phase 1. You are allowed to go 5 miles(ish) from home*. You can stop, picnic, fish, sunbathe, nap etc. during your time out of the house. There is no statement suggesting that this is only allowed during daylight hours. Does the virus magically become more dangerous after dark?* I have countless suitable locations within 5 miles, including the one I used last weekend.
Yeah I was thinking the allowed unlimited time outside could be interpreted as camping allowed. The distance thing is limiting, don't really want go camping in cathkin braes! 😆
Guess it's really just the distance thing that's the biggest limiting factor. I'll have a read about phase 2 and 3, interpret myself.
Think you are right that they'll probably not want to say anything about wild camping, as it'd probably open the floodgates tbh.
Sanny
SubscriberOne last point. I fully expect the attainment gap to widen. Down here in Glasgow, some of the private schools have really stepped up with their online teaching. The local authority approach is lagging behind in comparison at primary level at least. With so many homes without proper IT access, it has all the ingredients for a right old mess sadly.
Yup. TBH I'm not sure it was possible for it to go any other way but it's still depressing
