Know the one about “haven’t thought this through”?
Yep, its why I was replying about the non legal surron 🙂
Before the surron 'menace' it was either nicked scramblers or pit bikes but they weren't thought of as bicycle/e-bike whereas I think the surron is.
It just get posted to any postal address, its sold like every other white good.
I'm assuming a road legal version would want details for the V5/Registration paperwork prior and all the boring stuff.
ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY’RE Different FROM YOU And NEED TO BE BANNED
This is just bollocks. These things are not bicycles, they are motorcycles. We are fine with that, many of us ride motorcycles. We aren't actually asking for anything extra to be banned, we would just like the existing laws to be applied. If you are caught riding a motorcycle without a licence, helmet, insurance the police will charge you appropriately and usually seize the bike. No new laws are needed.
Sorry. I should have phased it as
ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY’RE Different FROM YOU And NEED TO BE stopped at all costs.
Shared use cycle path, to just two weeks ago, I moved out to overtake a man walking his dog. I was clocking along at 36kph. The next thing I know there's a massive screech of tyres and as soon as I’m passed and pulled in, off shoots the unrestricted ebike, not pedalling and going at least 20kph faster than me.
This isn’t about them being different, it’s about relative speeds making them totally unsafe to share space with pedestrians, cycles, dogs, etc.
At speeds such as this, they need to be on the road. Heck at 36kph, you could argue I do too.
ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY’RE Different FROM YOU And NEED TO BE stopped at all costs
More bollocks. I'm a motorcyclist, so they are the same as me. I pay vehicle tax, buy insurance, have passed a test, and wear an approved crash helmet. If I didn't do these things I would expect the law to deal with me appropriately. What makes these people exempt from these laws?
This whole thread reads pretty similar to a Daily Mail discussion about cyclists...
Perhaps, but then those same DM frothers will probably be conflating "cyclists", deliveroo death-trap operators and surron scrotes on e-motos, three entirely different groups who end up getting treated with equal contempt by the public for the actions of a small minority.
All that has actually changed is the available technology, the classification of vehicle types and the rules to govern them was established long before Uber eats and your local drug dealers decided they needed to propel ~100 kg of metal and meat about in public spaces using old laptop batteries...
You can have your surron, register the bastard thing, fit lights and wear a lid. Same if you want to build your own electric motorcycle take it for inspection and approval, get a licence and ride in line with the law of the land. Fail to do that (as more and more seem to be doing) and sympathy will be in short supply when the inevitable happens.
Heck at 36kph, you could argue I do too.
Yes the general guidance for shared paths is if you are going faster than 15mph or thereabouts then its time for the road.
It does my head in that you can’t have an escooter that is restricted and meets all the requirements of the hire ones
Its well weird.
In Spain you can have one but it’s got to have a Certificado VMP and we’ve even got term for them Vehículos de Movilidad Personal (VMP).
VMPs are personal mobility vehicles powered exclusively by electric motors, with a maximum design speed between 6 and 25 km/h. These vehicles can only have a seat or saddle if equipped with self-balancing systems..
The police do roadside checks with portable rolling road machines to test that it complies.
They are pretty popular.
Personally, I'd crush them. There are perfectly good electric mopeds that require insurance, come with a number plate, and have CBT licence requirements. That they are not being used by food delivery riders is flagrant law breaking in the absence of enforcement. I have no issue with law abiding E-cyclists, nor do I think compulsory insurance for such riders is necessary. But these "riders" have nothing in common with cyclists, other than the source vehicle they started from. I also have no issue with the E-scooters of the non-hiring variety, and think the law needs amendment for such a sensible personal mobility device. But food delivery is not personal mobility.
It will take a few more deaths from house fires before existent legislation is enforced properly. We can't bring scooters into work and we can't charge E-bikes at work. I would not have one of those delivery contraptions charging inside a building. Greater enforcement of already sensible rules (and extension to scooters) would help the law-abiding cyclists, and would-be law-abiding scooter riders.
We have acquired a local pest with a BSO that has a very noisy two stroke engine fitted to it. Not seen or heard one of those before.
However nothing quite matches the exercise bike
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx24891nz3jo
We have acquired a local pest with a BSO that has a very noisy two stroke engine fitted to it. Not seen or heard one of those before.
I’ve seen the kits advertised, they are cheap around €120 on Amazon here so very cheap way of turning your bso into something way more worse 🙁
