Yeah, it's that exciting of a post. We need a new vacuum - our (very old and donated) Miele is on the way out, the motor is starting to sound a bit like an asthmatic mouse and smell like it might set on fire at any given moment.
We've been pretty happy with the Miele (think it's a C2) but the bagless nature of Dysons is appealing - are they all that? Worth the extra? Or should we stick to the Miele. Or indeed something else entirely.
Thanks STW. This is what my weekends have come to.
We've always been a dyson household but have recently moved to a cordless. Total game changer in the vacuuming world. Makes it a little and often job rather than a big chore.
We've just bought a Miele after years of lugging the Dyson around. The Miele is wonderful.
Sebo FTW.
henryyyy!
Dyson are a bit heavy, but that doesn't bother me personally, but I can see how it would bother others. I like the manoeuvrability of the ball on the Dyson, and the pure suction power is great. You just know the carpet is spotless after a few passes of a Dyson. But the bagless nature is fine in terms of maintaining suction even when full, but I still find emptying a bit of a messy business. I'm a little sensitive to dust and still have not sussed out a method of emptying the Dyson without generating a bit of a rising cloud of fine dust which I can't help but inhale some of then i'm struggling with dust allergy symptoms for a few hours, which is mildly annoying. then there is the issue that living in a house with three long-haired ladies where the long hair clumps up in the Dyson chamber into balls that don't drop out when you do empty the chamber, so it inevitably means taking a stick or thin handle of something like a wooden spoon to fish out the hair balls. Again, just mildly annoying. I'd still buy another Dyson. I don't think they're that pricy and ultimately suck up the muck from the carpet very well which is the prime purpose of the thing. We get a cleaner in every couple of weeks and she prefers Dyson's purely from the performance aspect and she knows a thing or two about vacuum cleaners.
Also worth bearing in mind the performance of other cleaners is about to deteriorate as they need to fit less powerful motors under new EU rules. Cleaners like Miele's use huge 2kw motors which are now going to be replaced with 900w motors so their performance is going to drop off the edge of a cliff. Dyson always made do with smaller motors due to their more efficient nature so their performance is not likely to be affected as much - unless they license the bagless tech from Dyson.
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How much to repair the Miele? The older appliances are usually built a bit better than the newer ones, plastics more robust components better specified. If you have a look at espares they probably have a repair guide for Miele vacuum cleaners and will sell you the parts too.
Our meile has outlived the dyson by a good few years, including plenty of major diy clear ups. I had to replace a switch after it got wet once.
Power wise not much in it, dyson possibly a bit better.
The bagless dysons are messier emptying, if you do it inside you have to hoover again after !, would like to try a cordless one though.
Dont buy a Henry as you'll have it for 20 years and gut tutted at by Middleclasstrackworld posters who will tell you that their Milliedyson sucks harder.
they need to fit less powerful motors under new EU rules.
Oh come on, really?
they need to fit less powerful motors under new EU rules.
Oh come on, really?
This is actually a thing.
All vacuum cleaners are now limited to a maximum of 1600kw to try and reduce energy usage.
Fixed. Something dyson have been doing for yearsthey need to fit [s]less powerful[/s] more energy efficient motors under new EU rules.
I recently bought one of the new lower wattages Henry machines. I feared it would be hopeless compared to the one I've used in a friends house but it's just as good and quieter too.
Once your dyson 2 year warranty has passed it is like a two year old marriage the sucking stops and the whining starts go for a miele and get a ten year
Meile here can't fault it. Both meile and dyson score well in which magazine tests, if money was no object, I'd probably be looking at the dyson v8 cordless, it gets high marks in which test 83? and appears to have all the advantages. Upright dyson dc40 multifloor scores 80? and is fairly cheap @£200. Meile complete scores 83? to 73? depending on which model you buy (ecolines score highest)
Well, I never use the top power settings on my Miele. It was cheaper than a Dyson, and came with two powered rotating heads. The woman who comes and does 2 hours cleaning for me once a week says she doesn't rate Henrys, and there is always a stack of bust Dysons at my local tip.
Owned 3 mieles, all still going in different places.
Had a Dyson which gave up. Replaced it with a Miele that was in sales and it is hands down far better in most ways, apart from being manoeuvrable.
[b]Henry[/b] every time (which is not very often).
there is always a stack of bust Dysons at my local tip.
Actually, this is true. Might just be that they stand out more tho.
+1 about only using the meile on half power setting all the time (mine's a 1600w).
We use a Henry at work and it does the job, but not quite in the same league
there is always a stack of bust Dysons at my local tip.
The switch on my Dyson went so i replaced the switch whereas im guessing some folk would just bin them assuming theyre unfixable. It made me realise just how basic dysons (and im assuming all vacuum cleaners) are internally and therefore simple to fix. Dyson parts were easy to get hold of too. My Dyson is 10+ years now and still going fine
My tuppence:
Henry works really well and has very high quality tubes [b]but[/b] tends to fall over, jam on walls and trips over it's own cable or rug edges. It's great value and cleans well but is not very suited to weaker people or those with wrist/hand injury/weakness/arthritis etc. This will also hold true regarding the cable return - you have to be strong enough to bend over, pinch-grip the knob and rotate the cable winding drum.
The angled plastic end that fits over the metal tube [flexible hose/handle interface] tends to split along the mould line, however this is easily fixed with a wrap of duck tape etc and isn't a deal-breaker. You could probably get a spare from Numatic for free if you ask them.
Used a couple of Mieles, seem to be very good quality but both have had short cables and little wheels underneath which also will catch on edges/rugs. Much lighter though, and with spring-loaded cable return. Very powerful.
I wouldn't worry about the power consumption being limited, it's just to stop bullshit inefficient numbers games being played by manufacturers. What actually matters is static pressure vs airflow and this is down to good engineering of air paths and filters/bags. One of my design lecturers worked on the original Electrolux uprights and was confident 500W would do fine if the airflow was right.
I love that we have genuine experts on everything here.
No eu rules is about power. They are restricting it get less powerful motors that consume less energy, so notthing to do with the efficiency of the motors. a 900w motor is less powerful than a 2kw motor. It says nothing about efficiency. They hope cleaners will get more efficient as a result, but in the short term their performance will suffer.
Sebo,.......Only one we have not destroyed
Dyson are a bit heavy,
The uprights are, the cylinder ones are much lighter to use.
Have had Henry, Miele, both Dyson models (upright and cylinder) and a Festool Cleantec. Best cleaner by miles is the upright Dyson, however I find it a PITA to use. Nicest to use was the Dyson Cylinder (in workshop awaiting me repairing it). Least effective was Henry - had bugger all suction on carpets, threw it away and now have a Festool as workshop vacuum. Worst by miles was Miele (in cottage in Yorkshire), about as effective as a broom and will replace with one of the Dysons once I fix the bust one.
Not at all. All you can say is it uses less electricity. Like measuring the power of a car by how much petrol it uses. Vacuum cleaner power is more usefully measured in Air Watts. That's how much suck it has. Dyson have been using these figures along with more efficient motors for years.a 900w motor is less powerful than a 2kw
a 900w motor is less powerful than a 2kw
Also depends on the overall design e.g. we have two Animal Dysons, an upright with a 700w motor and direct motorised brush bar and a 6yr old Cylinder with a 1.4kw motor (IIRC) and suction powered brush bar. The newer, 700W, model is much better at cleaning carpets. The Cylinder design has more power, but has more losses as the motor is 3m from the head.
Sebo
Miele all day long.
Have owned both (ex wife liked Dyson). Bagless is a pain in the arse when you come to empty the thing as dust goes everywhere. The price differentital between Miele and Dyson would pay for many many bags. FYI also have a Henry which is clearly not as good as a Meile but is a fraction of the price and gets the job done
Had Dyson, used a Meile for a while at my parents and now have a Henry. All round I reckon Henry is the best - simplest to use (v stupid Dyson gimmicks), perfectly powerful, has bags (I find bagless a pain), plenty of spares cheap and available and British made.
Plus that Dyson bloke is odious.
He is indeed.
Yep. Sponsoring university buildings, funding scholarships, support for entrepreneurs, employs loads of engineering graduates, and then he has the nerve to pay his taxes as well. How annoying
Dysons are crap - Sebo are brilliant and can be picked up easily on the Bay
Oh, and Henry's got eyes. EYES!!!
Bloody brilliant.
Also worth bearing in mind the performance of other cleaners is about to deteriorate as they need to fit less powerful motors under new EU rules. Cleaners like Miele's use huge 2kw motors which are now going to be replaced with 900w motors so their performance is going to drop off the edge of a cliff. Dyson always made do with smaller motors due to their more efficient nature so their performance is not likely to be affected as much - unless they license the bagless tech from Dyson.
Miele are already selling vacuums with 700w motors which comply with Sept EU efficiency rules. So, if you take two £200 priced machines, Miele compact c2 excellence ecoline & Dyson dc40 multi floor. The Miele scores better on carpet cleaning and very much better on decibels. Both are the same on other tests in delegated regulation (EU) No. 665/2013, both have an overall rating of A, both score very high in Which tests also. might be worth reading the Which tests to see if they compared them with full bag/cylinder as the official efficiency tests for the EU energy rating are probably done empty.
I would never buy a Dyson, and encourage others to give them a wide berth too. There's nothing special in them, their "digital motor" is merely pulse driven electronically with position information picked up from a hall sensor for greater efficiency.
On top of that, because their motor is brushless they market it as having "low carbon emissions" due to no carbon brushes. It's snake oil, plain and simple.
The man is an odious Brexiteer whose primary talent in life is deceiving the public with marketing spin and brightly coloured plastic while charging insane prices for basic technology manufactured at minimum cost in China.
Miele or Sebo for me
Wow, cheers all, some good food for thought there. I will definitely look at repairing the Miele, we've been happy with it so far (it was donated and must be ten years old).
The man is an odious Brexiteer whose primary talent in life is deceiving the public with marketing spin and brightly coloured plastic while charging insane prices for basic technology manufactured at minimum cost in China.
Dont care. My dyson is the best vacuum I've ever owned and if the chap is a brexit supported then that makes me even happier with my purchase.
Ah James Dyson, the man who got stinking rich making vacuums in the UK, then took manufacturing abroad because he wasn't making [i]enough[/i]. And he's a barf supporter.
He can go and **** himself, and Miele make better machines anyway.
wondered when that usual nonsense would get trotted out. He's a massive supporter of the UK and employs far more staff in design and development than he ever did in production.Ah James Dyson, the man who got stinking rich making vacuums in the UK, then took manufacturing abroad because he wasn't making enough
Funny how Miele can make them on own turf and charge almost half for a better quality product.
Have two Mieles and one handheld Dyson which is good at what it does. Shame no one is competing with Dyson here.
I am very pro buy-British but Miele just make better machines imo and they cost less.
wondered when that usual nonsense would get trotted out.
What kind of person calls the truth nonsense? He still put the best part of 1000 people out of work so he could get richer. That's not nonsense, it really happened.
He's a massive supporter of the UK
If there is nonsense in this thread, this is it. He throws his toys out of the pram and threatens to pull out of the UK every time he doesn't get his own way.
Funny that Miele keep it quiet but do produce some of their products in China and Eastern Europe, but why bother when that can get in the way of a good rant
Nobody is holding mieles CEO up as an example of British entrepreneurship.
It didn't seem that anyone on here was, just folks making critical comments about Dyson manufacturing in the Far East when their competitors do as well.
The ops question was about the products and not the personality of one of the companies owners,
one of the folk who passed comments were being inequitable by failing to mention that the competition did the same, by manufacturing overseas as well.
Would you buy something manufactured by a company owned by someone you consider to be an objectionable person?
You seem like someone who would consider ethics when purchasing.
And you?
To my shame I bought a Dyson as it was on offer.
Build quality was pretty shoddy. The tolerances are terrible and all the connections feel lose. Actually angers me every time I use it. If I had bought an expensive one I'd be fuming.
It does do a good job of vacuuming, but emptying it is a ball ache as it gets jammed and nearly ended its life very prematurely.
So those are some legitimate reasons for not buying one if you need something other than Dyson being a Brexit voting arsehole who took jobs out of this country.
My Dyson owning experience was the same as most people's, it just fell apart, awful thing.
Get a Numatic, it doesn't have to be a Henry, they're all better and sturdier than the competition.
Tip 1: try and get one of the newer "lower power" versions, the suction is better, and they're quieter.
Tip 2: the industrial varients have (even) longer cables, and can often be had cheaper from suppliers.
Oh, all the Numatics are made in the UK, although that didn't sway me as it happens, I just wanted cheap and sturdy.
Henry here - who doesn't want a vacuum with a smiley face?
whose primary talent in life is deceiving the public with marketing spin...
sounds like Alan Sugar except that Dysons product is much better quality than the sh1t Amstrad used to sell.
Our Dyson DC18 has been very good...
We got a V8 at Christmas. It's awesome and weighs nowt.
I got a v8. Does the play in all the joints not make you want to stamp on it?
Question to the Miele users.....how frequently do you change the bags?
And how do they deal with pet hairs?
We've always stuck with uprights because they seem to to clean carpets better, but the cylinder vacuums seem to be quieter (from the ones I have been looking at) which is something we like the idea of....
No mention of Vax? Were currently looking at one (an upright) that has a lift off cylinder for doing the stairs. Seems like a good idea...
Meile every timne for us. far better than the dyson we had.
If you are making such a mess that a Henry can't clear it up then you need to be looking at other things in your life.
Add Bosch to your shortlist. Very good cleaning performance and cheaper than Dyson. They have very good filters to remove allergens from the air and come in bagless designs too if thats what you are after. I've had my Bosch for 5 years now and it's still running great. I regularly use mine to pick up mud and bits of forest I've dragged in with the bike and it just eats it up no problem.
In the Which? tests Dyson, Miele and Bosch regularly get very good rating. Depends on the exact model and what use to really pick a winner.
one of the folk who passed comments were being inequitable by failing to mention that the competition did the same, by manufacturing overseas as well.
I wasn't being inequitable at all. I'm going by my experience. Had 5 Miele vac's and they've all been made in Germany. As as the dishwasher and washing machine.
Yes some companies do of course make or license products in China but I'd not come across this with Miele and it certainly isn't the majority. As for keeping it quiet, well it says made in Germany on the machine.
Guys guys guys,
You don't want a Miele, you want a Melissa 😛
There's a bagless Miele out now
My family all bought Dyson. We bought a Miele. They all now have Miele. The Miele bags are excellent, easily available, and seal your skin neatly away.
They also service and refurbish properly. When ours had a failed switch, they sent a box for courier, and for £69, it was returned completely refurbished with all new tools. When I queried this, was they said it was all part of the service and just swallowed any extra costs. Excellent service.
Yes some companies do of course make or license products in China but I'd not come across this with Miele and it certainly isn't the majority. As for keeping it quiet, well it says made in Germany on the machine.
Miele's C1 compact for the North American market is made in China. As I understan it, their hepa sealed system vacs are all german
This is a great thread. It makes me chortle when someone raves on about a particular brand saying they've had three or more of them....h h hold on. What are you doing to them!!? Either they're flimsy as shit or you treating 'em ruff. I've had one in the past 20 years. Still works a treat.
The motor has just started failing in our 10 + yr old Miele Cat & Dog. 🙁
Dyson do not appear to get much love above?
Miele again for a cylinder, or is there a better option?
Sebo Felix* here.
We had a Dyson a few years ago, but it didn't stand up to a house renovation. It was replaced by a Samsung recommended on here - that was hopeless and found its way to the recycling centre.
And then Mrs North came home with a Sebo. And it's brilliant.
* Designed for pets. Works really well with our two cats....
I read the which reports over the weekend, and just about all the top 10 is Miele.
So another Cat & Dog it is 😀
Ordered one of these last night:
There was an extra 10% off offer yesterday so got it for £135.
We've never found cylinder vacuums work that well on carpets, so opted again for an upright.
The suction bit lifts off the main chassis so you can hold it while doing the stairs. No idea if it's a gimmick, but it seems to get good reviews.
Hardly the most exciting purchase, but given that our current vacuum cleaner (a cheap Samsung that has done us great service for the last 10 years or so) is getting noisier & noisier, this will hopefully make cleaning up a bit less annoying....