So our Dyson DC24 (useless little thing) died today. Well actually it set on fire!!
So, we need to replace it and the wife has her heart set on another Dyson.
I think there might be better for cheaper out there?
What vacuum cleaner (must be upright) are people using/recommending?
Thank You
Sebo. Ours has worked well.
Never seen a Dyson used by choice outside someone's home - they're just an overpriced lifestyle brand, like Santa Cruz or Yeti.
I do believe they make your carpets come alive though.
We use Numatic bagged cylinder cleaners at work.
They last forever.
A lot of people hate Dyson.
I don't ,ours have been fantastic and apart from a few drive belts ,have never stopped. If the one we have now dies I will get another*
*not the stupid ball one though ,as the bearings self distruct (alledgedly)
Depends on your priorities. The filtration on numatics is pretty poor so they blow a lot if the very fine dust back into the air. Dysons have very fine filtration but aren't so robust. I have a numatic in the workshop where robustness is important and Dyson in the house for good pick up and fine dust removal.Never seen a Dyson used by choice outside someone's home.We use Numatic bagged cylinder cleaners at work.
They last forever.
Upright Dysons seem bombproof and work well enough, we still have a DC4 that has survived lots of plaster hoovering duties. The cylinders are rubbish though.
Sebo Felix for the win.
Just call dyson organize a full service/replacement, lst time was £70 they replace ALL parts that need it.
sebo
What Sebo model?
Which Dyson model are people recommending?
Depends, something upright with a decent motorised brush bar if you have mostly carpets, or a cylinder if not.
Our Dyson died after 10 years of stirling service. We replaced with a Sebo, which didnt seem as good, so we replaced that with a DC55 Dyson. Happy with it, though these newer ones definitely feel a lot more plasticy / fragile. Performance is really good, so hopefully my initial concerns will prove wrong.
Miele or a Henry
I hate Dyson, massively overpriced. The ex wanted them, first one died when the motor blew, insisted on another which in my view was no better than the Henry. The bagless setup means huge amount of dust floating around when it's time to empty it
Numatic do HEPA grade bags. What more do you want? 🙂
sebo x4 shop around and will find with 5 year gtee for 220ish
quiet, lihgt , all spares available no dust due to decent filters and bags
last ex came equipped with a dyson. it was shit. when it finally died she went out and bought another one, which was also shit. when i got shot i got a henry, which is good, and cost less than half what the dyson cost. bags available that will filter very fine particles.
as an aside, i'm also sick of dyson ( and now his son ) trotting out the old trope about manufacturing not being supported by government in this country, and about no-one in manufacturing really being interested. if the weasle wanted to do something about it, he'd manufacture in this country. he ( and now his son ) manufacture in malaysia. dickhead. 😐
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Our dyson's been brilliant. Of course, now it will spontaneously combust and burn the house down...
@del Dyson used to manufacture in the UK and made a big deal about as part of their marketing. Once the company was large and successful he moced to manufacturing to Asia like much of the competition
Dysons are shite - go to my local washing machine & vac repair place and you'll see a sorry forest of Dysons standing in the front waiting for repair. Dyson is a brilliant psychologist - he hit on the idea of allowing the user to see what they have actually collected, which makes them feel good about it. What people don't realise is that there are proper vacs out there like Henrys that are used by professionals and do a proper job at a fraction of the price of the Dyson fashion accessory.
Nilfisk alto 26, cracking hoover, £120 in screwfix at the moment, sucks well and bagged. Also does wet clean up well. There seems to be a bit of inverse snobbery over the Henry, bit like the Dyson, well marketed (giving it eyes and a name) but no better than the competition IMHO.
Dyson.
Had 2 in 18 years the first one was secondhand and was about 10 years old when we replaced it. It's still going at a friend's house. Ours is now 14 years old and still going strong.
Best of all they're bag less so no dust when taking the bag off. Simply take the cylinder outside and empty into the contents into the bin.
I have a DC01 that still works well. It's had a new hose, a new rubber belt for its brush, and a few filters. It still cleans well and stays upstairs.
The other DC01 we had still worked well as an upright but the hose wore out and Dyson don't make hoses for these 20 year old machines. I bought a DC50 to replace it. Brilliant suction, great on turns. Light enough to use on the stairs as an upright.
Problems I've found with Dysons may not be unique to them but include:
sucking up sweet wrappers causes blockages
sucking up chewed cardboard causes blockages
millet stalks get trapped in the hose or cyclone inlet
Several relatives swear by Miele vacuum cleaners, eschewing Dysons as average in reliability, expensive, and insufficiently robust.
I used Nilfisks to clean when I worked in a store. Never again. Henrys fared better.
Never seen a Dyson used by choice outside someone's home - they're just an overpriced lifestyle brand
Bolx. I've had one that was a little feeble, then the current one I bought in 2004 and it's been great. Plaster dust, building mess, no issues. Can't remember the model, but it's the cylinder one advertised as animal dust filtering. I'll post up a picture of the contents of the bin next time.. it sucks up some remarkably large objects and never blocked.
I checked out a few, and out of two that had brush heads, it looked by far the better option. The Miele one was pretty feeble looking, and cost much more.
Miele - there's a lifestyle brand if there ever was one. Three times the price of everything else but ooh.. feel the quality.. ooh.. it's just so.. REAL...yah right.
go to my local washing machine & vac repair place and you'll see a sorry forest of Dysons standing in the front waiting for repair
I wonder if that's because they are repairable, the spares being available, and people think it's worth it? And perhaps because they are popular? Lots of sundry brands of vacuum cleaner in a pile at our local tip...
I'm quite sick of people trotting out this same old nonsense too. He was very keen to keep manufacture in the UK but found it very difficult, hence complaining about the lack of support for it. He was not allowed to expand his site in Malmesbury so as the company grew he chose move manufacturing abroad to keep the the skilled jobs (research, design and development) in the UK. He now employs hundreds of engineers and scientists in the UK, a lot of whom came through education paid for by Dyson. He's a big supporter of UK industry.i'm also sick of dyson ( and now his son ) trotting out the old trope about manufacturing not being supported by government in this country, and about no-one in manufacturing really being interested. if the weasle wanted to do something about it, he'd manufacture in this country. he ( and now his son ) manufacture in malaysia. dickhead.
Dyson overpriced? Utter tosh. My DC04 was bought in the January sales of the yr2000 for about £250. It's only just starting to show signs that things might not be as good as they were on dat 1 si 15 yrs For £250 sounds like pretty good value to me. We've just replaced with the latest ball one for £315 with a load of extra attachments bundled in and It's great (so far as you can get excited about hovers). And as usual it's brilliant. Suction is amazing, it is so good that on a laminate floor you can feel the drag due to the suction. The only downside is the amount of times you have to empty it......except that's a good thing as it means it's working!
I'm sure there are other options, it's quite possible that scientific test could show that a Sebo might be 3.452% better than a Dyson, but if I find a product that properly works and pleases me I tend to stick with them, why take the risk in moving to something else?
Besides the alternatives are not exactly much cheaper and you still have to buy bags so have an ongoing faff and cost.
I don't get the dyson hate either, I've had 2, lost the 1st one with the old wife. New one has been abused daily for 5 years, strong suction, great filtration and instant dust free emptying. Motor burnt out after 5 years, had it replaced for £50, all spares are available and a big network of repairers.
Accidentally bought a Hoover prior to this Dyson, last about 6 months, utter tripe.
Recent convert to Dyson here. We won one of the the cordless animal vacuum cleaners over xmas. The thing is amazing. Light, quiet powerful. Very very good product.
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I've got a Henry
Look at its little face, Awww sweet
What was the question again?
While I don't 'hate' Dysons, I am no great fan of them.
We had one that (we thought) worked fine, but was expensive compared to other vacuums at the time and was very heavy.
When we replaced it, we spent £100 on a Samsung upright. It wasn't available in fancy colours and it didn't have various marketing spiel attached to it, but it blew the Dyson out of the water in terms of performance.
There was so much dirt and cat hairs left in the carpets that the Dyson hadn't been picking up, that the carpet actually looked a different colour once we'd been round it with the new Samsung (pretty grim thinking about it). We had to empty the collector box thing after just doing the living room, as it had pulled so much stuff up that the Dyson had missed.
We've had it at least 7 years now & it's still going strong, never had to change any belts/filters etc. just wash the filters occasionally. Oh, and it's lighter than the Dyson was so much easier to lug around.
It would take a lot of convincing for me to buy a Dyson again over the cheaper alternatives.
Dyson are feeble girls' machines, you want a Maelstrøm Apocalypse. They're manufactured to aerospace grade tolerances in Swedish Lapland by a company that also manufactures lightweight anti-tank weapons for the Swedish military. There's none of this feeble HEPA bollocks, just a Chunkstrø redistribution matrix which filters out larger fragments like shrapnel and crockery fragments using Intelligent Recognition Software before grading swept particles according to size range - brilliant if you're looking for something you've accidentally swept up.
Literally bombproof and able to withstand drops of up to 50 metres and emerge unscathed. Last but not least, the Apocalypse has a patented animal grade filter which prevents the machine from sucking up unwary pets and mini flame thrower add-on for those hard-to-reach spiders.
My Dyson DC05 has lasted around 16 years now and the Maelstrøm Apocalypse is the only machine I'd replace it with.
We've had a Dyson DC05 since 1999, and in that time it's been serviced once, and has needed a new dust collecty bit, a new wand thing and a couple of new filters, and that's it. Still works really well, not bad going I think.
Spares were readily available and reasonably priced, although they've now stopped producing spares or servicing them which is a bit of a p1sser.
Based on how it's done though, I'd probably buy another one.
from wikipedia:
Dyson stated that the company requested planning permission to expand the factory to increase vacuum cleaner production, but that this application failed. However, the local government says that no such permission was ever sought, as the land Dyson planned to use was privately owned and the original owner did not want to sell
on the radio a few weeks ago dyson said 'we looked at manufacturing in the UK, but nobody was really interested'. sounds a lot to me like 'nobody was really interested in working for us for the amount of money we were willing to pay, here's where we manufacture now, in malaysia, where they'll take a lot less'.
he doesn't give a stuff about 'keeping the skilled jobs in the UK', if he could get the engineers in malaysia for a fraction of the cost of here he'd do that too. it's the usual line you get when a businessman can get things done cheaper elsewhere. i don't blame him for that, he has to make money after all or no-one has work, it's the hypocrisy i'm not keen on.
maybe when wages are comparable to those in malaysia they'll look at manufacturing in the UK again. 😐
So why sponsor UK students, colleges, courses, young entrepreneurs? Why have a huge number of skilled jobs still in the UK now? He's been operating here for 20 years without moving. Yes he could pay more and keep manufacture in the uk as well but I suspect that would be fighting on too many fronts. I support him for supporting the skilled end and getting youngsters designing and engineering in the UK.he doesn't give a stuff about 'keeping the skilled jobs in the UK',
Doesn't look like he is planning to move the engineering to Malaysia any time soon. 5000+ skilled engineering jobs. http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/BREAKING-Dyson-WINS-planning-permission-double/story-21187578-detail/story.html
And as for the wiki link. It might not have got as far as formal planning but it was discussed with the council.
[i] the North Wiltshire District Council leader, Ruth Coleman, explained in a deliberately tactful tone yesterday.
"The problem is that we could not give them planning permission because it is not designated as an industrial site on the local plan."[/i]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wilts-worried-by-dyson-plan-to-expand-into-greenfield-vacuum-1096000.html
well the western daily press reported 700 new jobs in january, on the second page of google hits ( dyson malmesbury ) the telegraph reports 3000 new jobs on the same day, as does the gazette and herald, so i guess if you average that out you might get a number near 5000. he's an excellent publicist for sure.
i don't begrudge him his success, nor the opportunities he has provided for engineers in this country ( at all ), but if you think he wouldn't do it somewhere else cheaper if he could, you're kidding yourself. and i don't blame him for that.
wrt his planning application, the council couldn't grant an application for planning consent on land he didn't own, could they? unfortunately the citation on the wiki page doesn't go anywhere.
We've got the DC35 cordless jobbie which is OK for whipping round and not worrying about trailing cables but it's not quite sucky enough to justify getting rid of our big old Vax (basically a commercial vac) and TBH I find the Dyson so much bloody faff to maintain: The motorised brush head just gets blocked up and full of crap and needs clearing out weekly, the collection tub get's full in a few minutes and never empties out fully without needing you to jam something in and loosen some bit of shite, you have to disassemble most of the thing to get at the filter and clear that out...
Worst of all, these various minor maintenance tasks are not particularly intuitive for the Wimmins, so I end up having to sort the thing out most of the time, she just hands it to me saying [i]"it's not picking up [u]again[/u]"[/i], as if it's my fault, but she refuses to use the old vax because it's heavier and involves plugging something in...
Dyson are masters of applying overcomplicated fussy design in something which should be a simple, usable household tool, but also has a couple of USP's that most of their competitors could easily replicate and don't quite, it's what happens when you use "Industrial designers" rather than "Product designers"...
The number I quoted was based on long term expansion over 10 years. Given how much it has expanded in the last 15 years and how much is being invested it is pretty believable but only an estimate.
Really not sure what you mean. He's doing it where he considers to the be the best place. I really can't see him suddenly saying engineers are cheaper in China, were off, partly because engineers ARE cheaper in China and he's still here.but if you think he wouldn't do it somewhere else cheaper if he could, you're kidding yourself.
yes they can. I could apply to build a block of flats in your garden. Doesn't mean I could then build it.the council couldn't grant an application for planning consent on land he didn't own, could they?
As someone involved in education in an area that benefits from the 'dyson effect', I say James Dyson rocks! Lots of initiatives for school children and students either started or sponsored by Dyson and he gives a hell of a lot of speeches and time to promote engineering and the industry in general. More than that he is a massive R&D employer and I have a number of ex students that now work for him or worked for him and have gone on to great things. He is a recognisable personality in the UK that helps to make engineering and design engineering a bit more cool and taking a leap of faith into getting a degree in the field less challenging. I also think the back story of getting to where he was, setting up against the big boys of the time via the wheelbarrow pretty much everybody of my generation has a picture of themselves sitting in as a kid is pretty inspirational. Yes, he moved much of his manufacturing overseas but now employs more folk in the UK than ever before.
Having said that, through work I have quite a lot to do with the Conrans with whom he had a massive failing out over the Design Museum so I have to keep my Dyson man love to myself most of the time!
We had one. It was expensive, noisy, heavy and unreliable. We replaced it with a Miele which is superior in every respect.
What's your job, convert?
What's your job, convert?
Head of Design in an independent secondary school (and some other bits and bobs). The Conran connection....well, it's not your average school, and through the 'day job' I have a bit to do with the Design museum & Benchmark too.
Our Dyson has been great over the last 14 years. Had it serviced once and all that time.
Now going to get a Miele.
Useless piece of info here, my Nephew used flat share with James Dyson's son.
We've got a DC04. It's ancient. It's never been serviced. We wash the filters and clean out the hoses every so often. It still works fine.
I'd buy another.
Convert, a quick Google suggests he never fell out with the Conrans but the museum director
That's interesting to know, convert. I think we may talk again as I'm studying Design [postgrad now] 🙂
I could apply to build a block of flats in your garden. Doesn't mean I could then build it.
awesome, glad we've cleared that up...
anyway, 5000 engineering jobs - also awesome, but more so, however if he genuinely supported manufacturing in this country he would do it, put his money where is mouth is, and invest in it. these aren't hard manual labour jobs we're talking about, just production work in what would appear to have the potential to be a clean, safe working environment. these are just the jobs the country needs - not everyone is cut out to be a design engineer or an inventor after all.
if you're developing enough stuff to employ 5000 engineers you're probably making enough stuff to employ directly at least 15k, if not many more, plus throw in all the employment that would hang off the back of that.
i am genuinely not trying to detract from what good he does do, but 'government doesn't support manufacturing in this country' doesn't wash. it would be a brave minister, civil servant, or councilman who thought they could turn down that size of an employer pretty much anything they wanted, and his continued repetition of that mantra in the media grates i'm afraid.
Convert, a quick Google suggests he never fell out with the Conrans but the museum director
You have clearly never had dinner with Terrence. To be fair there is still a fair bit of respect but he 'fell out' with the trustees of the DM - one of whom was TC. There may be a board of trustees at the DM but be under no illusion as to who pulls the policy strings there.
Such as supporting UK start ups, entrepreneurs, assisting patent filing, training engineers, designers and managers? That sort of thing not enough for you? You think every person he helps will then head to the far east? He has been a big boost to UK manufacturing even if you once read that he moved his vacuum cleaner production to Malaysia. Not building production lines here is evidence that is hard to do economically in the UK and that something needs to be done, and not hypocrisy at all.if he genuinely supported manufacturing in this country he would do it, put his money where is mouth is, and invest in it.
It doesn't read like that. I'm sure he [i]could[/i] do more but I'm also pretty happy that he does enough, and a lot more than most. He also pays his tax if that counts for anythingi am genuinely not trying to detract from what good he does do
Its not possible to do mass production manufacturing in this country. The costs are just too high and we offer no value over other cheaper countries. Its just not viable. When you've got guys demanding £25k - £30k per year wages for semi-skilled jobs and all the hassle of unions, H&S and other UK and EU costly bureacracy then why on earth would you base a mass production manufacturing facility in the UK? Its a nonsense to expect the government ot subsidise it too. We're good at low to medium volume production of high tech parts and products that require an element of skill to produce - satelites, Aero Engines, niche and bespoke carbon fibre parts for F1 etc.
I thought Dyson has the R&D and all the intellectual property based in the UK and the cheap, low skilled mass production work in other countries.
There is only the car production that seems to work in the UK, but I suspect that is mainly due to signficant tax breaks offered to the car companies coupled with locational convenience for the car companies (less shipping of cars around the world, regional variation in car models and designs for specific markets etc). Its a different kettle of fish for vacuum cleaners, mobile phones, computers, that are small, light and easily transported globally.
I agree with @wobbliscott labour intensive manufacturing is a thing of the past in this country.
I worked for Dyson for a few years before they shut down production and a few afterwards.
They always maintained that production would never move abroad. There was a story at the time that he could not expand because he fell out with a local landowner who would not sell him some land (not sure how true that was).
The reality was that the company was falling on hard times, copies were emerging along with pattern spare parts, falling sales and the doomed washing machine. The only way they could compete was to move manufacturing out of the UK. A sorry state but it is an all too common reality.
There was a huge felling of betrayal because of what had been promised previously but (if you believe what was said) the company had no choice.
It was incredibly hard for the production workers and the many small companies who supported the UK production facility.
Engineering had a reprieve as did some of the operating functions.
Dyson continues to be a large employer and they are doing a lot to reinvigorate interest in engineering qualifications (by working with local schools and colleges).
The early cleaners were bombproof (our DC04 has been going for years). I think they lost their way a bit with the ball cleaner. We recently bought one of the handheld cleaners and it is brilliant. You cannot clean the whole house with it on one charge but it is so quick and easy to use.
Did you know their head of research is a mountain biker?
A slow girly mountain biker, but still a mountain biker.
Short answer: Miele
Reddit thread on this topic last year. Vaccume cleaner technician. So knows his shit:
[url= https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1pe2bd/iama_vacuum_repair_technician_and_i_cant_believe/ ]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1pe2bd/iama_vacuum_repair_technician_and_i_cant_believe/[/url]
Just skimmed through that reddit thread and I'd say 'talks a lot of shit' rather than 'knows his shit'
Dyson all the way, we've just had to replace our first one after 10 years stirling service, needless to say we've brought another Dyson.
As for the Henry advocates, are you sure you want this in your house? 😆
Oreck - Singlespeed of vacuums. Can destroy its own cable if your not careful.
Henrys good suck but pole doesn't stay together too well.