[Closed] Drinking 28 cans of Red Bull a day is bad for you.

Nope, don't believe that.. 🙄

It is understood Lena Lupari ballooned to 26 stone

going to have to be wings off a Boeing

Or bingo wings

Apparently someone needs to provide some kind of boot camp to help her keep the weight off and motivate her too...

I'll resist the urge to comment further...

i got to the end,

always baffles me when they make comparisons like this

One 250 ml can of Red Bull Energy Drink contains the same amount of sugar as in the same-sized apple juice

like its the same ****ing thing

She could get a job at Belfast airport kick-starting Jumbo jets.

idontbelievethatforasecondimonmy15thcanofrdbullanIfeellsamazings!!!1!

How can you let yourself get to 26 stone? I really don't understand what is going on in these peoples minds. Surely you look at yourself and think "hmm, I used to have feet down there somewhere, perhaps I should do something about this".

Are people really this stupid?

Headaches for five years........but her weight "ballooned" ?

Yes.

Are people really this stupid?

You really need to ask?

How did she sleep? I'm surprised she didn't collapse from exhaustion
Back in my Red Bull drinking days, on a night out I might have the equivalent of 4 cans and I wouldn't sleep...and would spend the whole of the next day feeling rotten

Truly scary that someone can do this to themselves without realising they're destroying their body, but then again people smoke, drink and eat too much all the time, it's normalised behaviour for a lot of people... very sad when you think about it

Maybe in this case the sleep deprivation screwed with her mind so much that she didn't realise what she was doing.

drinking your self into diabetes and the red bull woman tries to defend it with a statement which might as well say - apple juice is just as bad.....

she should have just left her comments at "everything is bad for you in excess"

she just looks like a tool.

[i] really don't understand what is going on in these peoples minds.[/i]

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Surely at the point where her bowel movements started melting the toilet bowl, she should have realized that something is up?

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28 cans a day - I think I would go bankrupt before I went blind!

Human beings aren't totally rational, and more so if you're unwell, stressed, sleep deprived, probably suffering from malnutrition and who knows what else. It is sad sometimes but, there you go. Never underestimate people's capacity to deceive or harm themselves. All you can really do, is try not to be a **** about it.

I find the story hard to believe, surely no one can be that ignorant of nutritional needs, and if the story is genuine then i don't wish to consider what she has been feeding her kids.

'I don't want a gastric band or surgery but I think they should offer help for someone with this and to motivate them - something like a boot camp,' she said.

I'd offer her help but if i voiced exactly what that help consisted of i imagine i'd get a banning.

Not the image I saw the other day which had piles of sugar but this is something everyone should see and understand (it's not hard):

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I am now an avid label reader on foods and the flavoured water thing is something that has really shocked me.

going to have to be wings off a Boeing

😀

Airbus wings are better though IMO 😉 , this just needs photoshopping to show cans of redbull being fed in!

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the flavoured water thing is something that has really shocked me.

I'm a bit confused by the infographic andyl.

It seems to imply that Volvic Touch of Lemon and Lime (with [url= http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/still-water/volvic-touch-of-fruit-original-lemon---lime-15l ]5.5g sugar and 22kcal per 100ml[/url])

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Is more sugary than Coke (with[url= http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/cola/coca-cola-500ml ]10.6g sugar and 42kcal per 100ml[/url])

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That's not right!

The flavoured Volvic isn't great - but it's not THAT bad!

It seems to imply that Volvic Touch of Lemon and Lime:

I think it's comparing a litre and a half of Volvic to a half litre of coke.

bottle is bigger. The sugar shows the total for the quantity shown.

I don't know about you but if I have a coke I have a small 300-400ml can/bottle but when I have water I generally drink 750ml+ (probably due to what I am doing or I am out in the sun etc).

A guy I used to work with seemed to live on Red Bull and coffee.
He had serious jitters and tics and he also seemed to be in the toilet on a semi-permanent basis. Stories of the sounds that used to emanate from "Trap 4" (his favourite cubicle but also a play on the old cartoon The Trapdoor) were legendary.

That poor toilet got a full carpet bombing run every hour!

dirtyrider - Member
i got to the end,

always baffles me when they make comparisons like this

One 250 ml can of Red Bull Energy Drink contains the same amount of sugar as in the same-sized apple juice
like its the same **** thing

diabetes is diabetes, no matter how you acquire your sugar

I prefer this info graphic:

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I didn't think that the woman in the OP's suggestion that she didn't want a perceived 'quick fix' of gastric surgery, but wanted help with diet and exercise unreasonable, in fact given her predicament actually seems sensible.

My only slight issue is that she thinks the NHS should provide it, but maybe this as the first intervention from a GP is more sensible, (and sustainable) than the pills/knife approach that people seem to expect, (in my understanding)

i got to the end,

always baffles me when they make comparisons like this

One 250 ml can of Red Bull Energy Drink contains the same amount of sugar as in the same-sized apple juice
like its the same **** thing

Sugar is sugar. Once it gets past your mouth your body doesn't care where it came from, it all has to be dealt with the same way.

There isn't a special organ that sorts out nice sugar from fruit juice and nasty sugar from Red Bull

28 a day every day?

I once had 2-3 with vodka on a night out. The next day I was tetchy. Very tetchy.

What concerns me is common sense. You pick up alot from adults around you. Poor kids.

I think it's comparing a litre and a half of Volvic to a half litre of coke.

I think I would call that misleading and possibly disingenuous.

don't know about you but if I have a coke..

I don't touch full fat Coke unless I'm seriously hungover. 😀

Mister P - Member

How can you let yourself get to 26 stone? I really don't understand what is going on in these peoples minds. Surely you look at yourself and think "hmm, I used to have feet down there somewhere, perhaps I should do something about this".

Are people really this stupid?

The brain can be cruel sometimes, we'd be foolish to think that the conscious part is completely in control of the rest of it.

Over-eating, or in this case over-drinking is addictive, subtly, but terribly so - if she stopped drinking so much he brain would make her unhappy, make her headache and generally feel like shit, but when she feeds her addiction her brain makes her feel happy.

Same goes for self-image - she looks in the mirror, see's a 25 stone land-whale, with rotten teeth and terrible skin - unhappy, she could spend the next 4-5 years on the road to recovery and feel happy again, or spent the next 2-5 minutes drinking Redbull and feel happy now - her unconscious brain will be playing tricks on her all the way too. Some people just aren't programed to live well in a environment of over-abundance.

Perhaps this will be the next stage of human evolution - those whose genetic make-up makes them over indulge, will reproduce less either because they die or can't find a mate - I doubt it though, we're too good at keeping people alive, at least way past the point they're of reproducing age.

I was teaching in a school that let the kids out at lunchtime and there was a period where the yr8s became virtually unteachable, hyper and constantly needing the loo in the afternoons. We went through the usual thoughts about drugs etc then we worked out that the local tesco metro store up the road was doing its own brand redbull 1lt bottles on a bogof for about 99p and the fashionable dare of the week was to chug both bottles in a sitting. A 13yr old with 2 litres of redbull inside them is batshit crazy.

I didn't think that the woman in the OP's suggestion that she didn't want a perceived 'quick fix' of gastric surgery, but wanted help with diet and exercise unreasonable, in fact given her predicament actually seems sensible.

My only slight issue is that she thinks the NHS should provide it,

Agree with that, she needs educating.
Did anyone see that Jamie Oliver series a little while ago where he taught basic, quick cook recipes to people who then taught it to others?

The people he was teaching - OMG. He congratulated one woman on how clean her oven was and she said "oh I've never used it, don't even know how to turn it on"

😯

The family just lived on takeaways at £10+ a day and she wondered why she had no money. 🙄 But once taught that £10 could buy her a week's worth of veg that could be made into meals and frozen she was off.

Some people just aren't programed to live well in a environment of over-abundance.

I think people in general. Most of the time humans have been around have been times of scarcity of nutrition, that's why we used to have to hunt the animals - they didn't walk calmly to the door of the cave and jump onto the fire...

Now we have over-abundance of calories, it's the usual story of survival of the fittest/harm to the least fit.

'Fittest' = those who recognise we live in an age of overabundance and face daily barriers to living healthily, and adapt their behaviour accordingly e.g. don't buy the coke and burgers, ride to work instead of drive, go for a walk at lunchtime instead of sitting at the desk etc.

The main downside to this being in a country with a taxpayer-funded health service means the financial cost of reduced productivity and medical care is shared across the whole population, rather than being proportionally borne by the least fit, which then leaves no disincentive to change unhealthy behaviour... it's going to get worse before it gets better IMO

being in a country with a taxpayer-funded health service means the financial cost of reduced productivity and medical care is shared across the whole population, rather than being proportionally borne by the least fit

But the good news is that the least fit also have to pay for things for the "fit" like our world-class cycle infrastructure...

...oh.

brooess - Member

Some people just aren't programed to live well in a environment of over-abundance.

I think people in general. Most of the time humans have been around have been times of scarcity of nutrition, that's why we used to have to hunt the animals - they didn't walk calmly to the door of the cave and jump onto the fire...

Now we have over-abundance of calories, it's the usual story of survival of the fittest/harm to the least fit.

'Fittest' = those who recognise we live in an age of overabundance and face daily barriers to living healthily, and adapt their behaviour accordingly e.g. don't buy the coke and burgers, ride to work instead of drive, go for a walk at lunchtime instead of sitting at the desk etc.

The main downside to this being in a country with a taxpayer-funded health service means the financial cost of reduced productivity and medical care is shared across the whole population, rather than being proportionally borne by the least fit, which then leaves no disincentive to change unhealthy behaviour... it's going to get worse before it gets better IMO

I agree with most of your points, but I'm not sure our taxpayer funded health system contributes to the problem - the US of course, has had an obesity problem for longer than we have, and is worse in terms of sufferers as a percentage of population.

I personally has seen a slight turn in the tide - there will always be a small (in number) hardcore of people who either don't care about their health - or have convinced themselves they're special - like the smokers of 10 years ago who used to spout "My Nan smoked 40 a day and lived till 96" as some sort of evidence it was all nonsense, but for the most part the dangers of being over-weight are no well known, but more importantly accepted by most people and habits are changing slowly - nationally alcohol consumption is down, tobacco consumption is down, 'bad food' consumption will follow, if it's not already happening now.

I was with you up til:

brooess - Member

leaves no disincentive to change unhealthy behaviour

Being unhealthy remains a disincentive in itself. And the unhealthy person still does lose the benefits of health and productivity; they're just less likely to be destroyed by it.

Some people just aren't programed to live well in a environment of over-abundance.

I've a relative who can't say no to any opportunity - work/play/sex/food you name it he takes it. He's a big unit and food is the easiest indulgence. He's not stupid he has a good degree and is handsomely rewarded at work. It's just how he is

I've a relative who can't say no to any opportunity - work/play/sex/food you name it he takes it.

To be fair - that doesn't seem like such a bad way to live life 😀

She must have been getting a cheap source of Red Bull; it's basically £1/can, isn't it?
So £28/day x 365 is nearer £10k/yr, whereas she reckons she was spending £6k/yr.
£6k or £10k regardless - that is a lot of money to spank on a fizzy drink! Where do people get their money from?
I think my 3 bottles of ale for £5 from Tesco on a Friday evening is an extravagance....! Sometimes I'll treat us to a 'posh' packet of crisps as well if I am feeling particularly generous. 😆

Blimey, if she can wean herself off it and stick it into a pension instead, she'll have a nice little amount come retirement age!

To be fair - that doesn't seem like such a bad way to live life

But the good news is that the least fit also have to pay for things for the "fit" like our world-class cycle infrastructure...

...oh.

In the systems deffence in the last decade I've been in for:

Badly sprained wrist (x2)
Broken Arm (x3)
Frostbite
Head injury (which would have required stitches but I'd done a good job of removing all the skin either side as well)
Knee injury requiring an arthroscopy
A sprained peroneus brevis
A saddle sore the size of a butterbean.

As a result of 'being healthy'.

My only 'normal' trip to the Dr's was for Shingles (possibly brought on by a buggered immune system from riding in cold weather).

My wife went nuts on a night out once and ended up with a minor case of caffeine poisoning on about 12-14 cans. She was really uncomfortable and felt ill for a couple of days.

I'd be amazed if anyone could realistically consume 28 cans a day without developing an ucler of some kind. It's bloody horrible stuff when you drink it sober. Mixed into a Jaeger bomb it's all good though!

Obesity /Diet related illnesses will be the new smoking. You see foods being pushed as healthy, now, which clearly aren't. Some things are demonized when they shouldn't be.

IMO we are only at the start of the problem. Most old people now didn't grow up with an abundance of (bad) food in the same way there is now. So when the current youngsters start to reach middle age and retirement things will get much worse.

Education is the key, and understanding. Someone above nailed it. Most people can cope and understand that moderation is the key. Some people choose to ignore it, some people know it but can't help themselves. I'd suggest the latter is rare though - most people just need a bit of an incentive, carrot or stick (but not cake).

True I think we will have big health/timebomb in the next decade or so

Anyone want to go into business with me supplying enlarged wheelchair/obesity aid products?

being in a country with a taxpayer-funded health service means the financial cost of reduced productivity and medical care is shared across the whole population, rather than being proportionally borne by the least fit

Not if they die earlier, saving money on taxpayer-funded pensions.

I can't help but think how did she somehow manage to afford £6k on red-bull, but still expect the NHS to pay for her boot-camp?

Being unhealthy remains a disincentive in itself.

For me and you it is... but clearly not enough for the masses...

NHS figures:

Obesity levels in the UK have more than trebled in the last 30 years and, on current estimates, more than half the population could be obese by 2050.
Europe's obesity league:
UK: 24.9%
Ireland: 24.5%
Spain: 24.1%
Portugal: 21.6%
Germany: 21.3%
Belgium: 19.1%
Austria: 18.3%
Italy: 17.2%
Sweden: 16.6%
France: 15.6%

Part of the issue I think is our tendency to focus on the short term. We don't want to withhold pleasure now in return for long term gain. By the time the damage is done to the individual it's pretty much too late to undo it. Only a minority are disciplined enough and aware enough of their own psychology to override this. I include myself in the group that struggles to avoid sweet things even though I know it does me no good... luckily I enjoy hard exercise!

There isn't a special organ that sorts out nice sugar from fruit juice and nasty sugar from Red Bull

Aren't glucose, fructose and sucrose slightly different things that the body eats differently?

Yup, but he's still technically correct that it's not one organ (liver, pancreas, muscles etc).

Jesus that's a lot of red bull, I'm amazed her body has coped with the amount for so long. In my younger days I had a binge on the stuff one night, ended up shitting the bed the next morning.
Never touched the stuff since 😳

I was teaching in a school that let the kids out at lunchtime and there was a period where the yr8s became virtually unteachable, hyper and constantly needing the loo in the afternoons. We went through the usual thoughts about drugs etc then we worked out that the local tesco metro store up the road was doing its own brand redbull 1lt bottles on a bogof for about 99p and the fashionable dare of the week was to chug both bottles in a sitting. A 13yr old with 2 litres of redbull inside them is batshit crazy.

Yep, I despair at watching our local schoolkids walloping down monster by the pint can, which has just washed down either a chinese or something from the kebab shop. Then they throw all the packaging on the ground.
I'd keep the buggers in school at lunchtime.

[i]How can you let yourself get to 26 stone? I really don't understand what is going on in these peoples minds. Surely you look at yourself and think "hmm, I used to have feet down there somewhere, perhaps I should do something about this".Are people really this stupid?[/i]

Without being drawn into an argument, ^ that does quite a good job of demonstrating the general lack of understanding by the public.

By the time someone gets to 26 stone, the way their body is metabolising food, has failed, that person's entire system has gone "hay wire". In this case, likely hyperinsulinemia. So is it really any wonder, that when someone's "system" has gone out of control. That we see an abnormal result.
So where as someone might not understand the physiological reasons of how or why she got that way, having a cheap-shot is a bit, cheap.

Pointing and laughing at her, while really not understanding yourself, the physiology is, well, you decide.

[i] I'm amazed her body has coped with the amount for so long. [/i]

But her body didn't cope, hence the colossal weight gain.

from what i see when i drop the mrs off at her school - a can of monster* is a normal breakfast for a large number.

i asked her what the kids were like in the morning..... she said hyper - and it only gets worse after lunch when they get more monster*

*energy drinks

Solo has it. ^^^

Maybe these would help:

[url= http://www.springwise.com/multi-sport-wearable-coach-offers-motivation/ ]Wearable coach talks to the user during their workout[/url]

... if it can detect repeated movement of hand to mouth over a period of time maybe it can point out to you that you're overeating?

I know that's tongue in cheek but some kind of device which can intervene at the appropriate moment is going to help surely. As pointed out above, telling people they're fat tends to cause offence so maybe getting some kind of wearable tech to do it might provide a solution

the gut is the largest hormone producing organ in the body, and hormones are incredibly powerful behaviour modifiers , at that size she will be stuck in all kinds of feedback loops

gastric band surgery while not cheap and potentially dangerous, more so the bigger people are, will save the NHS money in the long run, many of her problems will disapear almost overnight, including diabetes thanks to the reduction in hormones. A daily vitamin pill as she can no longer absorb enough nutrients is very much worth it

of course educating people that its stupid to neck so much sugary stuff is key and its obvious that we are failing , especially in the home, schools etc can do so much but parents really determine eating habits

as with smoking, legislation as well as education is needed (does anyone think itd be good to lift the smoking ban in pubs?!!)

sadly the government rolled over under industry pressure ... on traffic light labelling, sugar tax, minimum alcohol pricing even exempting academies from junk food vending machine bans

It's very easy for you guys (with the exception of Solo) to criticise this woman. You have not had the experience of discussing weight with a doctor and watching their eyes glaze over then some contempt is thrown in for good measure. Quick to make assumptions these hard of thinking folk. 😐

cinnamon_girl - Member

It's very easy for you guys (with the exception of Solo)

Oi!

Come on c_g - [b]IF[/b] the article is to be believed* then this lady was [i]"unaware of the damage she was doing"[/i] by drinking 28 cans of Red Bull and only having one (fast-food) meal a day.

And she remained "unaware" despite suffering five years of migraines and significant weight gain.

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask how she could have possibly been unaware?

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* (I note the article quotes from the Daily Mail so it may well all be nonsense).

Human beings aren't totally rational, and more so if you're unwell, stressed, sleep deprived, probably suffering from malnutrition and who knows what else. It is sad sometimes but, there you go. Never underestimate people's capacity to deceive or harm themselves. All you can really do, is try not to be a **** about it.

Oi!

Quite Northwind, you're on the naughty step!

Come on c_g - IF the article is to be believed* then this lady was "unaware of the damage she was doing" by drinking 28 cans of Red Bull and only having one (fast-food) meal a day.

GrahamS - replace Red Bull with, say, alcohol, cocaine? Addiction?

There isn't a special organ that sorts out nice sugar from fruit juice and nasty sugar from Red Bull

Both pretty bad IMO. Fructose is only broken down in the liver

GrahamS - replace Red Bull with, say, alcohol, cocaine?

Happily.

If someone was snorting cocaine 28 times a day, only eating one crap meal, and was suffering migraines and huge weight changes then I would be just as surprised to hear that they were "unaware" that this was bad for them.

Wouldn't you?

Addiction?

Indeed. But being unaware of harm and being unable to shake an addiction are two very different things.

The way the article reads (and I've stated my reservations there) the lady doesn't say she was addicted, she says she simply didn't know that was bad.

Having found out it was bad she has given up the Red Bull: [i]"she has entirely cut Red Bull from her diet and lost two stone."[/i]

Quick, someone tell that women that crack and heroin are bad for you as well.

[i] she says she simply didn't know that was bad[/i]

Claiming disbelief only indicates your personal perspective on the subject. So yeah, [b]you know[/b] RB, 28 cans, 5 cans, whatever per day, may not be good for you. But how does your knowledge translate to being what everyone "should" know, esp in a marketing environment such as we "enjoy" today.

I'd of hoped you'd accept that current nutritional advise, via the NHS, the web, wherever, is boring for most people, at best and down right incomprehensible to others, at worst.
However, after reading 95% of the posts on this thread it should be clear to the meanest "intelligence" that most folk haven't the first clue about how the endocrine system influences dietary choices and metabolism.
Especially in the current environment of unchecked "health" advise and cheap, widely accessible refined and easily digestible carbohydrates.

As per my previous post. On an internet forum, anyone may find it easy to scoff, laugh and generally mock those who might show as little interest in nutrition as an equal number of the population show no interest in politics or current affairs. Quite how this translates into some kind of "sport" I will leave others to decide.

In the meanwhile, on the basis of what I've read here. Most should probably refrain from judging.

Just, my, informed, opinion.

A mother from Newtownabbey has claimed she is going blind after drinking up to 28 cans of Red Bull a day.

Blimey, I bet she didn't see that coming. 😉

I'll get my coat.........

hora - Member

True I think we will have big health/timebomb in the next decade or so

Anyone want to go into business with me supplying enlarged wheelchair/obesity aid products?

Belly Wheels? A La 2000AD style?

Claiming disbelief only indicates your personal perspective on the subject. So yeah, you know RB, 28 cans, 5 cans, whatever per day, may not be good for you. But how does your knowledge translate to being what everyone "should" know...

Because I was under the impression that it was fairly common sense. I don't think it requires an in-depth knowledge of nutrition and endocrinology.

i.e. if you took a poll of 1000 people and asked them "is a diet solely consisting of 28 cans of Red Bull and a take-away every day likely to be harmful?" then I would [i]expect[/i] that almost all of them would say yes.

If you took the few "no" answers and gave them a follow on question saying "you have been following that diet for some time and in that time you have also been suffering frequent migraines and weight gain. Is this just a coincidence or do you now suspect your diet may be harmful?" then I'd be surprised if there were still people who genuinely thought the diet was fine.

If you are saying that we [i]should[/i] expect people not to realise it is harmful because nutrition is hard and marketing is easy then isn't that basically an answer to what I asked:
"I don't think it is unreasonable to ask how she could have possibly been unaware?"

Why is that an unreasonable question? Seems like one worth considering to me.

As per my previous post. On an internet forum, anyone may find it easy to scoff, laugh and generally mock..

I hope that my posts show I haven't done any of that.

i.e. if you took a poll of 1000 people and asked them "is a diet solely consisting of 28 cans of Red Bull and a take-away every day likely to be harmful?" then I would expect that almost all of them would say yes.

If you took the few "no" answers and gave them a follow on question saying "you have been following that diet for some time and in that time you have also been suffering frequent migraines and weight gain. Is this just a coincidence or do you now suspect your diet may be harmful?" then I'd be surprised if there were still people who genuinely thought the diet was fine.

I think anyone so monumentally unaware of even the most basic facts of nutrition would probably not be in a position to make this connection. Which of course points to the lack of education - how can someone make it to adulthood (and have kids, presumably with some kind of interaction with a doctor) and think that this kind of diet is anything but dangerous?

Idiopathic intracranial hypertension (IIH) which they said was a result of her being overweight

Am I the only pedant that finds this surprising, or has the medical definition of idiopathic been changed recently?

Dreadful drink - learn to take espressos with nice sugar instead.