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If you cannot distinguish between private and public conversation I cannot help you.

If you cannot distinguish between me and the American public I cannot help you.

The fact that it was a remark that may have been made in private is not important. Its in the public now and you can bet there is more where that came from.


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 8:50 pm
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Considering a lot of them are very very religously conservative and prude. I can't imagine many Southern Staters - with their almost English levels of politeness being very happy about him.

That's an interesting one. I'm not sure that small 'c' conservative and even evangelical Christianity and some quite extreme political positions are mutually exclusive. I think many will be prepared to overlook Trump's 'frailties'* because they loathe Democrat politics even more.

One of my relatives (a Brit and a member of an evangelical church), used to live in Trump Towers in NY and remains a firm supporter of Trump. Because Hillary is so much worse, apparently.

*not the term I'd use.


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 8:51 pm
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Hilary is Pro Choice, hence the Devil Incarnate to most of Bible Belt.


 
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Is this really a man you could entrust with state secrets and the nuclear trigger??
State secrets are something he will be very good at keeping. As for nuclear trigger - yes. Because the force within (opposition parties etc in Merica) will counter his eagerness. He will not be in complete control and like I said previously they will watch him like hawk. Every tiny movement he makes will be scrutinised if he becomes the Presidents, much more than Hillary Clinton. Hillary can get away with "murder" with a smile.

In the "pussy grabbing" story, he knew he was being filmed. He knew he was miked up.
I bet he did that deliberately to wind up the media and to gain attention albeit very rude.

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The fact that it was a remark that may have been made in private is not important. Its in the public now and you can bet there is more where that came from.
Yes, it's public now for political convenient otherwise it's just another piece of no news.


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 9:00 pm
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as this guy says on [url= https://twitter.com/robfee/status/784823574406303744 ]Twitter[/url]

[i]"How are so many people JUST NOW offended by Trump? It's like getting to the 7th Harry Potter book & realizing Voldemort might be a bad guy.[/i]"

Anyway for what it's worth my little story is that I'm a regular kinda guy. Take my daily constitutional right after breakfast and that's it, nothing else is required until shortly after tomorrow's brekkie.

I was lucky enough to go to New York a couple of years ago and we went to one of those typical diners where you get a frankly ridiculous pastrami on rye that looked summit like this

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It came with a big bowl of pickles too.

I demolished it all and we left but shortly after my stomach started flip-flopping. I hunted around for the nearest bogs which happened to be in the Trump Tower and the world literally fell out of my bottom. It was a nasty business.

Ever since then my wife and kids refer to the time I took 'a dump in the Trump'.

Now that Trump has shown his true colours I'm quite proud of that.


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 9:23 pm
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^^^ we got a yank in the ranks, omg ^^^

So a few questions:

1. The best of the two choices is Trump?
2. No lame duck situation because there's no strong contender for the next election?
3. There is no other choice.


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 9:35 pm
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[quote=captainsasquatch ]How many Trumpette voter will live to regret their decision?

I'm hoping none of them.


 
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Is this really a man you could entrust with state secrets

You mean as opposed to the woman who has categorically demonstrated that you can't trust her with state secrets?


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 9:47 pm
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[quote=ninfan ]like it or not, the message Trump is sending to people about jobs and future is a lot more positive than what they see in front of themselves with Clinton - those leaked private speeches about free trade etc. that Hilary was making to bankers haven't really hit home in the aftermath of 'p***ygate, but are likely to over the next week.
Too many were expecting Trump to crash and burn in last nights debate, and he came out swinging

Positive? You must have a totally different meaning to positive than everybody else - pretty much all he is doing is attacking Clinton, virtually nothing of any substance whether positive or negative. At the best it's wishful thinking.

I think most people were expecting Trump to come out swinging, it's just that he managed to control himself well enough (and Clinton didn't attack him that hard or provoke him sufficiently) that he didn't quite manage to kill off his campaign. You can take that as a win if you like.

[quote=ninfan ]Frank Luntz is [s]massively respected in US polling[/s] a Republican who's worked on previous campaigns and currently working for Fox and says it was game changer:

I reckon if Luntz didn't call it for Trump then that might actually be sufficient for him to throw in the towel.

Could you just clarify for us ninfan, do you actually support Trump, or just hate Clinton?


 
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a Republican who's worked on previous campaigns and currently working for Fox and says it was game changer:

I suggest that you didn't watch the video in which he discussed it, or those of the focus group snakes when Trump challenged Clinton over her emails.

(edit, worth pointing out that Luntz focus group clearly called the first debate for Clinton)


 
Posted : 10/10/2016 9:59 pm
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I suggest that you didn't watch the video in which he discussed it, or those of the focus group snakes when Trump challenged Clinton over her emails.

I watched the debate and saw some of the opinion charts as he was speaking, yes he got a bonus for the emails.
The rest was a play to his supporters, he failed to answer a single question asked to him until the end. It looked like he was shoehorning his campaign into the question that seemed most appropriate - like a game of cards against humanity.
The summary from Liegh Sales over here in Oz (a very experienced political journalist) was as I posted after if you supported Clinton you would say she won, same if you supported Trump he ticked the boxes for his base. Neither won over the others supporters and the undecided probably didn't care. Clinton delivered policy at least.

In the end she called it a Clinton win as Trump was the guy who needed a massive boost and failed to get one. He's probably off life support so to speak after that one but must know that he is behind in a lot of the places that matter for the election.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 12:14 am
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Oh dear does seem as though he has publicly shit the bed, it was only a matter of time though wasn't it 😆


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 12:21 am
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Graham, yes sorry it was gonefishing who posted just before you. My point was that Trumpmwill scour Govt servers for messages from Clinton, she can delete from her end but not the Govt end. Lawyers / FBI can't search govt folders - lawyers call that a "fishing trip" but a Trump Presidency could.

I saw BBC summary of the debate and it looked pretty even to me, I could see how a Trump spin doctor would say he was calm. I thought his responce on tax issue was pretty simple, he used the same allowances others use like the big donors to the Clinton campaign and that if Clinton thought the allowances where wrong she could have campaigned to change them. She doesn't as her donors benefit.

Rumours of a $5m fee being asked for the release of a tape with Trump using the N word.

Incredible really, this is the most successful and powerful country in the world.

We go on.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 12:35 am
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(edit, worth pointing out that Luntz focus group clearly called the first debate for Clinton)

Didn't spot that one, the only person who thought Donald got the first one was him.


 
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pretty much all he is doing is attacking Clinton
this differs from Clintons strategy, how, exactly?

Tbh I've watched both debates and I think, strategically, trump comes out on top. They've heehaw to do with any substance and clinton seems perfectly willing to cat fight the process out, which only benefits trump imo.

You can argue over the little substance all ye like and try and base them on that but you're be deluding yourselves. These debates are all about playing to the lowest common denominator. Personally I struggle to pick out a winner there, as Clinton isn't shy with the personal attacks either. The debates are essentially just 3 hours of continual and overt digs at each other.

In that context trump is winning hands down with the draw more or less imo, as it levels the playing field down to a popularity contest and the jibes. In that sense trump is the stronger "character".

A grim grim place for politics. And we "Brits" shouldn't laugh too heard.

Politics has found its level amoung the world of shit reality TV bitch fights. Substance and content means nothing.


 
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It is not acceptable if you are well known but you need to realise that was a private conversation between two blokes.
The question is why is that conversation "accidentally" recorded?

Do you record private conversation only to release them to the public?

Where are the privacy of thoughts, speech and expression?


He was filming, he was wearing a microphone, the mike was live, Trump was too full of himself to remember the mike was live and recording, his attitude most likely, 'what the ****, those bits will just be edited out'.
When will you realise, Chewkw, that in situations like that, there is no such thing as a private conversation, when it's in public.
You want a private conversation, you go somewhere private, and YOU SWITCH THE SODDING MIKE OFF!


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 12:45 am
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You want a private conversation, you go somewhere private, and YOU SWITCH THE SODDING MIKE OFF!
A bit like "our" No boom or burst ex-PM Brown isn't it.

At the moment it is like making a mountain out of a molehill with all his movements and comments sized by those desperados down to minute details.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 12:58 am
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this differs from Clintons strategy, how, exactly?

If you listened last night at least she got some actual policy in.
You can argue over the little substance all ye like and try and base them on that but you're be deluding yourselves. These debates are all about playing to the lowest common denominator. Personally I struggle to pick out a winner there, as Clinton isn't shy with the personal attacks either. The debates are essentially just 3 hours of continual and overt digs at each other.

In the debate as a vacuum you could maybe come to that conclusion, the video of where he claims to have never said things coupled with video of him saying exactly that is case in point. His pathetic faux apology to the family of the serviceman he spent 3-4 days trying to beat down was cringeworthy and reeked of someone saying whatever he could to be elected. His constant interruptions and the worst of all his inability to look anything other than bored or confused when he wasn't talking himself was enough to drop him points.

In a regular year this could have been about policy which would have been a good thing for the voters, but instead he has driven a kicking fighting gutter level campaign based on the no matter what I've done somebody did worse premise (which could well be made up) Sunday night was just a call to his supporters to reassure them he was the Real Donald etc.
on taxes...

COOPER: You have not answered, though, a simple question. Did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years?

TRUMP: Of course I do. Of course I do. … I absolutely used it. And so did Warren Buffett and so did George Soros and so did many of the other people that Hillary is getting money from.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13228628/warren-buffett-donald-trump-taxes
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Careful who you use to back up your case

It gets better. Buffett reports that he took only $3.5 million in charitable deductions — even though he donated more than $2.8 billion. This is a not-so-subtle dig at Trump’s “charitable” efforts, which amount to self-serving work by his foundation and not a whole lot else. Buffett, by contrast, has pledged most of his estate to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and most of the remainder to the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation (named after his late wife), which is one of the biggest backers of family planning and reproductive health and rights causes in the United States.

As a final knife-twist, Buffett notes that he is currently being audited — but releasing information from his return anyway, since that is totally allowed, despite Trump's protests to the contrary.


 
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At the moment it is like making a mountain out of a molehill with all his movements and comments sized by those desperados down to minute details.

Pffffffff.

Mountains out of molehills? Minute details? [u]He was bragging about his (actual) repeated sexual assault of women[/u] FFS. The fact that ANYONE is still defending him, or dismissing this as "bantz" is nauseating.

The Donald is trying desperately to deflect attention - but I feel like there is a pre-planned schedule of scandals about him that are going to arrive day-by-day between now and the election, leaving his campaign without time to mount a meaningful response.

here's hoping


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 2:08 am
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Could you just clarify for us ninfan, do you actually support Trump, or just hate Clinton?

Or just troll.


 
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he just tolls or more accurately is a devils advocate with a RW leaning


 
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Ah, you see, anyone who disagrees with the leftie convention is a [i]Troll,[/i] now?
or perhaps more accurately either a Troll, racist or stupid.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) nails it again::

[i]Trump is trying to make America a bit more like Switzerland. Clinton is trying to make America less like Switzerland. Spend a day in Switzerland and tell me who has the better plan[/i]


 
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anyone who disagrees with the leftie convention is a Troll, now?
Of course not but trolling is hardly the best defence to an accusation of trolling


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:11 am
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Trump is trying to make America a bit more like Switzerland.

Eh?

[i]*Googles Switzerland*[/i]

Hmmm...

Well I'm not seeing any Swiss policies promoting torture, war crimes, or sexual assaults on women.
And the Swiss have Universal Health Care and abortions are available as part of that. So no parity with Trump there.

I guess they are well known as a tax haven though, so maybe it's that?


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:24 am
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Buffet is being very very economical with the truth. He runs his entire investment business through his Insurance Company. These are fantastic vehicles for legally avoiding and deferring taxes. I know as I've studied them
carefully and spent 2 years trying to raise the money to set one up. Some of the industry's biggest hedge fund names have set them up, Soros, Einhorn, Cohen, Moore

Buffett is famously "frugal" so easily gets by on $11m a year whilst legally sheltering the rest of his huge annual profit/income in Berkshire Hathaway


 
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Ah, you see, anyone who disagrees with the leftie convention is a Troll, now?
or perhaps more accurately either a Troll, racist or stupid.

There's playing devil's advocate, there's simple trolling and there's blind stupidity.
This isn't disagreeing with leftie convention, this is suppporting Trump. Something a fair few right wing Americans seem to be having problems with at the moment.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) nails it again::

Trump is trying to make America a bit more like Switzerland. Clinton is trying to make America less like Switzerland. Spend a day in Switzerland and tell me who has the better plan


Scott Adams fails to nail the starting point of this comparison. One could equally exchange Switzerland for Syria and have the same, effective soundbite.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:38 am
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Iknow as I've studied them

With your record of falsehoods hardly a ringing endorsement.


 
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I know as I've studied them

If you don't mind I'll take your word with a pinch of salt....

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Posted : 11/10/2016 10:06 am
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Buffet is being very very economical with the truth.
What is the donald doing then? Odd to attack him when he just published all his accounts that showed he donated BILLIONS to charity
Still its you so oddness is to be expected


 
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To add:

Buffet states that he is currently being audited though is still able to release his returns.....

What's Trumps excuse now??


 
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When will the n-word recording be released then?

That will be the final nail for Trump. will it be the morning of the polls, or the week before?

When is the point of maximum damage?


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 10:23 am
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What's Trumps excuse now??

well in the absence of fact lets get with the spirit of the Trump Campaign and just make some shit up.
3 Reasons best one gets to be locked up in a small cell with Hillary when President Trump sends her down....
1) He's actually not that successful and has way less money than claimed hence his I'm awesome game would fall apart.
2) They are full of stuff that if looked at more closely would land him in jail
3) They have some massive payouts for off the record settlements that would finish him.


 
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Mr Leb - look it all up yourself. I've been following Buffet for 30 years and had a personal investment in Berkshire Hathaway for a while. Google Hedge Fund Re-Insurers, very tax efficient way to run hedge fund money, the whole sector grew out of copying Buffet's model. I was quite close to investing in Fidelis a new firm launched last year setup by a Brit.

On a lighter note, Dutch humour

http://www.luckytv.nl/time-of-my-life/


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 10:33 am
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When is the point of maximum damage?

they will be released to minimise the damage of any further wikileaks hilary info (tho the last lot were amazingly dull)

I suspect both camps are trying to dig out as much nasty shit about each other as possible
Trump really has dragged the election into the gutter, the problem is that, as weve seen with brexit, politicians using racist/xenophobic hate speak etc emboldens the nastier elements of society. Weve had a Tory conference with a barrage of xenophobic measures designed to appease our nation of bigots 🙁 .


 
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Interesting comments on a tv piece yesterday (bbc I think)

Both candidates encourage strong like/dislike views
There could be very few undecideds now given the above and many of those may not vote as they see both candidates as terrible
Some pretty strong anti-Clinton views from women who see Bill as a serial philanderer and Hillary as party to that intimidating any accusers
There are as many white working class non-voters as ethnic minorities - so both sides have "get the vote out" campaigns


 
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Buffet is being very very economical with the truth

In fairness, he's not running for Prez; he's rebutting an arguement he's been dragged into.

There could be very few undecideds now given the above and many of those may not vote as they see both candidates as terrible

Just like this country then.


 
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Some pretty strong anti-Clinton views from women who see Bill as a serial philanderer and Hillary as party to that intimidating any accusers

Presumably they see the Pussy grabbing donald as a lovable rogue then

I dont think any feminist will be voting for Trump

Two pretty dire and tainted candidates but Trump is so odious he cannot even carry the right wing of the right wing party he leads. He is a disgustign human being , serial BS, racist arsehole of the lowest order,

I would even vote for Jamby before Trump


 
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What if they release the n-word video and he still wins??

It'll be like Brexit but 10x worse, causing all the moronic racists to assume they've won.


 
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[url= https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/custard-flavoured-jobby ]24 Scottish Insults for The Donald (BuzzFeed)[/url] 😀


 
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Presumably they see the Pussy grabbing donald as a lovable rogue then

I dont think any feminist will be voting for Trump

Two pretty dire and tainted candidates but Trump is so odious he cannot even carry the right wing of the right wing party he leads. He is a disgustign human being , serial BS, racist arsehole of the lowest order,

You don't get to vote though. All the people I've spoken to who *will* be voting find that both are pretty repugnant, in their own unique ways.


 
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Trump is so odious he cannot even carry the right wing of the right wing party he leads

To be fair, a significant part of that is that many of them don't see him as being low tax/small state/conservative enough

That's right - their reluctance to vote for The Donald is that he's not right wing [u]enough[/u] for the republicans!


 
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“And, in a way, perhaps we have been always heading towards this historic moment. The first female presidential nominee versus the human embodiment of every backwards, condescending, Mad Men-esque boys’ club attitude that has ever existed, rolled into one giant, salivating dick-size-referencing, pussy-grabbing warthog in a red power tie.

“I’ll put it this way: if American democracy is a computer game, and Hillary is completing women’s 100-year quest to get to the Oval Office, it kind of makes sense that this would be the final boss.”

😆


 
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To be fair
HAHAHAHAHAHA


 
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The real tragedy is that the US public [b]are going to have to pick one of them[/b], regardless of the outcome, nobody wins 🙁

I just cannot fathom how the political system has managed to become so broken, so utterly divorced from reality, so openly childish, and so filled with hatred, vitriol and lies. It seems an impossible task to turn back from this now, what on earth is the next election after this one going to be like!?! 🙁


 
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Still wondering why Trump thinks its ok not to release his Returns as he is "under audit", whereas Buffet seems to find it a very easy thing to do..................................................................


 
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All the people I've spoken to who *will* be voting find that both are pretty repugnant, in their own unique ways.

Agreed but
"if you dont like either candidate remember whose the grossest"

From the Rainbow video GrahamS [ I think] posted up


 
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Still wondering why Trump thinks its ok not to release his Returns as he is "under audit", whereas Buffet seems to find it a very easy thing to do..

Because most people don't understand tax codes and he knows a lot of people will just accept this excuse as true. And when people point out it's a lie, well, they would wouldn't they, they're pro-Hillary.

“if American democracy is a computer game, and Hillary is completing women’s 100-year quest to get to the Oval Office, it kind of makes sense that this would be the final boss.”

This is genius. But just telefrag him!


 
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Buffet is being very very economical with the truth.

Beats being an out and out liar though. Maybe not in Jamba world?


 
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Donald! Trumpkin!

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You don't get to vote though. All the people I've spoken to who *will* be voting find that both are pretty repugnant, in their own unique ways.

And of those I've spoken to its a no brainer. Trump is not the answer to any problem including the I need to piss and that man is on fire should I?


 
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Shudder to think why trumps daughter didn't want a kiss from dad after the debate


 
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kimbers -
Shudder to think why trumps daughter didn't want a kiss from dad after the debate

Don't worry, they all know the drill 😆

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Shudder to think why trumps daughter didn't want a kiss from dad after the debate

I think that was debunked in a fact check article I read saying that it was a bad angle and in video she's greeting someone else as her dad is walking towards her. Haven't seen the other angle though.


 
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I think that was debunked in a fact check article

I think we know what Trump would say about fact check articles... one standard for all


 
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When will the n-word recording be released then?
About a week before the election I would guess. The polls seem to be following a 2 monthly cycle of Trump dipping heavily and bouncing back 8 weeks later. I would think they would try and hit him just before the next bounce back to make sure it never happens


 
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I suspect both camps are trying to dig out as much nasty shit about each other as possible
Trump really has dragged the election into the gutter, the problem is that, as weve seen with brexit, politicians using racist/xenophobic hate speak etc emboldens the nastier elements of society.

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What if they release the n-word video and he still wins?? It'll be like Brexit but 10x worse, causing all the moronic racists to assume they've won.

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The real tragedy is that the US public are going to have to pick one of them, regardless of the outcome, nobody wins

I just cannot fathom how the political system has managed to become so broken, so utterly divorced from reality, so openly childish, and so filled with hatred, vitriol and lies. It seems an impossible task to turn back from this now, what on earth is the next election after this one going to be like!?!

All +1

Next election - return of bLiar and "things can only get better" 😉

Ok Hilary is bad, very bad, but if either the Repubs or Labour think that Donny and Jezza are fit for high office then neither deserve support.

A very, very sorry state of affairs especially given rising geopolitical risk.


 
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Level of debate in America?

"God can use this man.. God can use anybody; He used the harlots" 😯


 
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Prof Sean Harper for president, if only for the facial expressions from 40 seconds on


 
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Level of debate in America?

Seems legit.


 
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Level of debate in America?

Respect to her for keeping a straight(ish) face.
It's like Spitting Image but with real people.


 
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Just been reading this article in the Washington Post

[url=The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’ - The Washington Post https://apple.news/ATIPCclR4TgSL_wi7aUkC8Q ]Link[/url]

Trump’s blistering method is being orchestrated by Stephen K. Bannon, the campaign’s chief executive and former head of the acerbic conservative website Breitbart, who has become a near-omnipresent counselor at Trump’s side. He has urged Trump not to worry about any cleavage in party ranks and instead to target Clinton.

Can you spot the line that made me titter?


 
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This campaign reminds me of the novel [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_(novel) ]Interface[/url]

In the book, there's a happy ending as the cynical, manipulating campaign manager ends up in jail and the down to earth, good VP succeeds the President.

If only life worked like that.


 
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In the book, there's a happy ending as the cynical, manipulating campaign manager ends up in jail and the down to earth, good VP succeeds the President.

Better not mention the bit where one of the presidential candidates has a stroke, and they sieze the opportunity to inject a microchip into his brain so they can control the world. MAKES YOU THINK.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 5:17 pm
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Glen Beck has come out for Hilary as the Moral Choice

I cant get my head round that being and endorsement or a condemnation

“It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity,” Beck writes. “If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice.

interesting times


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 5:28 pm
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Glenn Beck:


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 5:41 pm
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Whenever I hear anyone supporting Trump I wonder if they have spent even a second considering why he's running. Are they really stupid enough to believe he's doing it for their benefit, rather than his own? Every time someone's backing him up it reminds me of an episode of South Park where Cartman says 'just give me a minute to go put some make up on so I can look pretty while you F#CK me!'


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 6:44 pm
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I am convinced his advisors are now playing it for laughs straight after the "Tapes " they get him to hover behind Hilary in the debate looking a bit rapey.
As to why he is running perhaps he thinks if he can get elected POTUS he can avoid his date with Jane and Tiffany Doe in December.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 7:48 pm
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I found out today Woody Guthrie's landlord was Fred Trump - Donald's father. Woody sang a song about him being a racist. Some things don't change.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 7:56 pm
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[quote=ninfan ]Ah, you see, anyone who disagrees with the leftie convention is a Troll, now?
or perhaps more accurately either a Troll, racist or stupid.

Is that what you think it is? I've certainly moved a long way left since I first posted on STW, but I still don't think anybody has yet accused me of being part of the leftie convention. You still haven't answered the question BTW.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) nails it again::
Trump is trying to make America a bit more like Switzerland. Clinton is trying to make America less like Switzerland. Spend a day in Switzerland and tell me who has the better plan

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151599421561/quick-debate-reactions-from-switzerland

Thanks for that - I won't make the mistake of assuming Scott Adams knows what he's talking about again. CBA to deconstruct all of that, but let's just look at the gun issue which seems to be quite a big one for Adams - gun culture in Switzerland is [b]totally[/b] different to that in the US, and comparing the two on that basis is so fallacious as to be absurd.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:32 pm
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gun culture in Switzerland is totally different to that in the US

Hurrah. its almost as if some of us have been saying thats the problem for years

Whenever I hear anyone supporting Trump I wonder if they have spent even a second considering why he's running. Are they really stupid enough to believe he's doing it for their benefit, rather than his own?

Whenever I hear anyone supporting Clinton I wonder if they have spent even a second considering why she's running. Are they really stupid enough to believe she's doing it for their benefit, rather than her own?


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:44 pm
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[quote=fourbanger ]www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CdKMP-5Vg

I'm wondering whether they - and we - are missing something here. Maybe Trump isn't going after the undecideds because he's realised he can't win them over. Maybe there's a different strategy here - could it be a combination of 1) trying to prevent the undecideds from voting for Clinton even if they won't vote for him by slinging enough mud at her 2) making sure the turnout of his core support is as large as possible by appealing to them as strongly as possible and making them hate Clinton so much.

Could influencing the turnout in this way be sufficient for him to win despite having less support overall and the issue of the demographics of the swing states? It does make me think of the Brexit vote - I'm not sure if this one has been analysed thoroughly, but I had a feeling of dread with that after passing polling stations and seeing the numbers voting in areas where I'd expect the majority to vote leave.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:47 pm
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[quote=ninfan ]Hurrah. its almost as if some of us have been saying thats the problem for years

That the problem in the US is the culture around guns rather than the ownership of them? Well that's clearly part of the problem - the trouble is it's the sort of thing which is used to justify the suggestion that the only way to solve the problem is to change the culture, when controlling gun ownership better would clearly also solve the problem. The fact that Switzerland manages fine with gun ownership rates not much more than half that of the US doesn't provided any justification for the idea that the US problem can be solved without reducing gun ownership.

Though enough of that diversion - are you actually agreeing with me that the comparison between Switzerland and the US on the basis of gun ownership is spurious, hence that [s]Dilbert[/s] Adams is talking cobblers? (don't worry, I'm not expecting a coherent reply - like all my questions to you it's effectively to make a point rather than elicit an answer)


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 9:55 pm
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Why does a man with so much money wear such nasty ill-fitting suits?


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 10:02 pm
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Is that also a rhetorical question THM? I'm assuming the answer you're after is that he's tasteless.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 10:05 pm
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I guess so. He looks like he is wearing a sack most of the time.


 
Posted : 11/10/2016 10:10 pm
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will the n-word tapes finish him or just excite his base even more?

assuming he doesnt win, more rep.s will have to ditch him and face the trump nutters wrath in the senate elections...


 
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