No doubt they've both got numerous flaws and have behaved imperfectly at times, but for me the bottom line is that Trump is clearly not right in the head.
Which in itself isn't the problem. Those who support his crackpot ideas are.
Yes indeed.
A summary for those that missed the debate:
Um-diddy-diddily... Um-diddly-aye... 😆
Awesome
if you hate them both remember whose the grossest 😆
I already kind of made this point, but inspired by a comment jamba made and a similar point being made by somebody on FB this morning - and having thought it through properly - if I did have a vote I'd feel a lot happier now about making it for Clinton. The thing is, the majority of the criticism for Clinton seems to be about her record whilst in office. Trump has managed somehow to avoid making such mistakes whilst in public office...
I just cannot imagine who Trump would need to be standing against to make me vote for him
Hilary is tainted but he is ****ing mental, egocentric, a total bull shitter, unhinged, unpredictable, deceptive, abusive, horrible towards women and prone to bearing grudges for ages- possibly due to his teeny tiny hands 😉
. He has none of the qualities required in a statesman NONE
So, has anyone discussing this actually got a vote?
Pigface why don't you think through the sort of fall which would cause bleeding on the brain sufiicient to cause memory loss to the extent you forget the state department training you where given in a vital area such as what constitutes Confidential material. Then decide whether that's the most likely explanation. I've posted this before but as you clearly haven't read back I'm doing you a favour.
its total supposition with absolutely no evidence to support proposed by you. Forgive me for thinking its a complete fabrication that exists only in your mind
There are many many causes of what you have claimed MANY
I suspect your expertise in internet diagnoses of folk you have never met is somewhat fallible
Pigface why don't you think through the sort of fall which would cause bleeding on the brain sufiicient to cause memory loss to the extent you forget the state department training you where given in a vital area such as what constitutes Confidential material.
Blows to the head can actually be quite serious. I know a few people, including my own wife, who have had this happen to them and it's surprising how long the affect lasts. They don't just pick themselves up, dust themselves down and get on as though nothing had happened.
But yeah, whatever. Americans I've spoken to are not excited by the choice they have.
I just cannot imagine who Trump would need to be standing against to make me vote for him
Ted Cruz?
Facha?
...I think this is going to be a fun game
Me Texas cowboy mate will definitely Not vote for Clinton coz he enjoys his hunting.
Ya, this cowboy mate of mine even has a PhD from British University!
Jamba because you proffer no proof? None zippo nada rien
I can't find any proof of what you claim.
Nobody else seems to be able to find any proof.
thatcher is preferable to the DOnald as she was not absolutely mental just heartless and with no interest in "society"
I know nothing of ted cruz and I will keep it that way 😉
It appears that one of my FB friends (who does have a vote) won't vote for Clinton because she's pro choice. But then I do have some odd FB friends.
If Clinton has health problems then she would definitely be relying on the puppet master(s) to pull the string to keep her going. She would be script reading and acting only. Therefore, voting for Clinton is dangerous as there is high possibility some unseen characters are pulling the string behind the screen. These are people who will not be responsible for whatever outcomes because they will have a fall guy in Clinton. She has no control whatsoever.
If ever there WAS and election to think hard about the vice presidents, this is probably it
#noseflags
The obvious difference chewy, is that if Trump had health problems and somebody else was pulling the strings that would be a positive improvement. Not that I'm sure Donald will have much of a clue how to do the job and won't just get somebody else to do the tricky stuff anyway.
Junkyard - lazarusHe is now having a pop at Hilary because Bill had affairs despite his first marriage ending because HE had an affair
Not for the first time. And it pretty much tells you all you need to know about Trump. Man has affair- he's a virile go-getter! Woman's husband has affair- she's a failure as a wife and therefore as a person.
aracer - Member
The obvious difference chewy, is that if Trump had health problems and somebody else was pulling the strings that would be a positive improvement. Not that I'm sure Donald will have much of a clue how to do the job and won't just get somebody else to do the tricky stuff anyway.
The health problem for Clinton definitely looks serious if she needed help to get on her campaign van. She actually collapsed like someone being KO in the ring with her legs gone completely jelly. At her age, 69, she will be lucky there is no further domino effects on her health in the next 2 years.
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
You appear to have completely missed the point
It appears that one of my FB friends (who does have a vote) won't vote for Clinton because she's pro choice. But then I do have some odd FB friends.
Whereas Trump is? Pro-Anti-Pro-Pro-Anti-Choice-Life?
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his orange.
FTFY
Oh god, now getting into a FB argument with somebody who doesn't seem to get my point that the only reason Trump hasn't done any of the things Clinton is accused of is lack of opportunity.
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Mental health issues don't often have physical symptoms
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Looks fit? WTF does that mean?
Plastic surgeons couldn't do anything about his small hands though, could they?
So it's always nice to see who skips over policy and heads straight to side issues...
And like Trump facts keep coming back
jambalaya - Member
We are in Britian, US domestic policy on firearms is pretty much none of our business
Does this apply to elections or the made up health of the candidates?
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Mental health issues don't often have physical symptoms
How do you know Hilary Clinton does not have mental health issues?
What are the signs and what have you spotted?
captainsasquatch - Member
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Looks fit? WTF does that mean?
Plastic surgeons couldn't do anything about his small hands though, could they?
I mean he looks to be in good health for his age.
He did not collapse or faint like Hilary Clinton.
Hilary Clinton must have health problems to faint like that. Not normal.
So Trump is fine (because you say so) but we must suspect hillary... Is this because she scares you? Is it because she is a woman?
Hilary Clinton must have health problems to faint like that. Not normal
Could. You post a copy of your medical degree and other qualifications? Would clear this up quicker. Maybe you could go and treat her.
Let's try a different approach which areas of policy is Trump and the republicans better at? (bearing in mind most of his party hate him)
Nothing to do with gender.mikewsmith - Member
So Trump is fine (because you say so) but we must suspect hillary... Is this because she scares you? Is it because she is a woman?
I like/support PM May if that helps and I think she will be a brilliant PM.
Is it normal for someone to collapse like she did?Could. You post a copy of your medical degree and other qualifications? Would clear this up quicker. Maybe you could go and treat her.
We will never agree but let's try how about uphold 2nd amendment as someone was talking about messing with it?Let's try a different approach which areas of policy is Trump and the republicans better at? (bearing in mind most of his party hate him)
[b]"... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."(Amendment II)[/b]
chewkw - MemberIs it normal for someone to collapse like she did?
It's not normal for Hilary Clinton to collapse like that either. But yes, if you catch an illness and push yourself hard you can go wobbly, nothing unusual about that.
Re the constitution, I think most people insisting you can't mess with the second amendment because it's a constitutional right, need to look up what an amendment is. Whenever I hear an American state that the 2nd amendment is god-given and can't possibly be messed with, I wonder if they drink alcohol- the 18th is surely just as god-given as the 2nd, so they probably don't accept its repeal, right?
Why not start with the first amendment chewkw?
[b]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.."[/b]
How does that tally with Trumps plan to ban Muslims from America?
That sounds a lot like prohibiting the free exercise of religion to me!
Or is that amendment okay to amend?
Northwind - MemberWhenever I hear an American state that the 2nd amendment is god-given and can't possibly be messed
Nobody Can mess with 2nd amendments[b].[/b]
GrahamS - Member
Why not start with the first amendment chewkw?"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.."
He is referring to [b]Non[/b]-Merican citizens.
Nothing to do with 1st amendment as he was referring to all foreign disturbances, hence Merica can ban whoever they wish.
Was he? He has, as usual, changed his stance a fair bit on this.
But the original statement he made, [url= https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration ]still available on his website[/url], says:
Donald J. Trump is calling for [b]a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States[/b] until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.
(also I don't see any sidenote on the first amendment saying "but its okay if they are foreign")
and all over the states the "right" of the people to bear arms is restricted, some states even want to check who you are and that you are not a criminal before selling you a gun. What a stupid idea that is!!
Religion is the other great example of why rules and laws should adapt to the times, things change, the need of anyone to own a gun and in particular things like military grade rifles has gone away. Just like the need for the provision to deal with witches etc.
Next he deals with freedom of speech and expression
Days after Iranian sailors harassed an American Navy vessel, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Friday he would have had them “shot out of the water.”"With Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water," Trump said.
What blow people up because they upset you? Is this really somebody who should be in charge of anything?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37533263 ]I'm sure there's a logical explanation for him hiding his tax returns that his fans will swallow hook, line and sinker. I bet if it were Clinton hanging on to her returns the small handed Trump fans would be all over it.[/url]
its obvious it harms him and this is the reason he wont publish them
His excuse is a known lie and still folk dont seem to mind
An odd world when "billionaires" can avoid tax whilst the little people pay up
Some politicians merely forget to submit them!! At least on time.
How many "very successful business men" have submitted $500m losses to the tax authorities!?!
His excuse is a known lie and still folk dont seem to mind
'Big lie' theory, in it 😉
People keep banging on about tax like they bang on large corporation tax in the UK.
The question is - have they breached the tax law? You want to argue with their lawyers/barristers?
Until such time as they have done something wrong like breaching the law, most of what people accuse of him was based on their own views ... plenty of that here in the UK. BHS? Eh? Did he do something wrong? Why not arrest him? Nope, I guess not because the system has been beaten fair and square. Yes, morally it is bad taste but what can the govt do?
If the person has breached the tax law surely IRS or IR would chase after that person is it not.
Do you think IRS would keep a blind eyes on those billionaires in Merica? Even when the IRS would his business competitors/political opponents would not let that happen.
Yes, morally it is bad taste but what can the govt do?
it did not go down well at all with the undecideds when he said 'just shows I'm smart" according to polling evidence.
so it may be true that it is legal, but his hiding behind the auditing defence and his comments just makes him look shifty. And arrogant. And not as bright as he likes to think he is
He's a one man circle jerk.
jimw - Member
it did not go down well at all with the undecideds when he said 'just shows I'm smart" according to polling evidence.
Yes, he made the mistake by expressing his emotional views too directly without sugar coating or spin.
Actually that's exactly what it is i.e. [u]a fact[/u] that he has managed to beat the system otherwise he would be in jail! Smart yes as he has done so within the law and[u] it is legal[/u].
So why do the opposition gets all emotional of a factual information?
so it may be true that it is legal, but his hiding behind the auditing defence and his comments just makes him look shifty. And arrogant. And not as bright as he likes to think he is
Yes, because he annoys the hell out of his opponents who have already made up their minds to be annoyed even before he stands Presidency and by merely mentioning the party 'Republican' is enough to wind the opponents up.
People keep banging on about tax like they bang on large corporation tax in the UK.
It's almost as silly as banging on about someone's health, or emails, or beauty pageant queens, isn't it?
Facts and fiction/spin.