Donald! Trump!

Bernie Sanders is probably very aware that in all likelihood the people who are going to benefit most from trump's presidency are billionaire white men.

Well he should say so instead of praising Trump's decision to scrap TPP.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/23/tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-bernie-sanders-john-mccain ]Bernie Sanders supports Trump's TPP order while McCain criticizes opting out[/url]

I suspect Bernie Sanders will do the sensible thing and wait to see how things pan out. Perhaps a few other people should?

TPP was not even signed by the Congress , a lot of noise for nothing .

TPP was very dear to Obama's heart. Or does Obama's legacy count for nothing now?

A week certainly is a long time in politics, eh?

[url= http://time.com/3819537/ian-bremmer-trans-pacific-partnership-obama/ ]The Trans-Pacific Partnership Will Help Define President Obama’s Legacy[/url]

it is , lets see what next week is going to bring . 😆

Do we have to wait? Can't we prejudge?

I got a call from Tim Cook at Apple, and I said, "Tim, you know one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you're making your product right here."
He said, "I understand that."

I said: "I think we'll create the incentives for you, and I think you’re going to do it. We're going for a very large tax cut for corporations, which you'll be happy about."

And then Tim said what?..... Trump doesn't go on to tell us nothing of what Tim said next. He didn't tell us what Bill Gates said when he asked him to switch off the internet either. 🙂

Do we have to wait? Can't we prejudge?

No need to wait, we can also judge him on his withdrawal of support for NGOs who provide abortion information. Silly women, getting all upset and marching at the weekend, eh?

I can't wait to see traditional press getting hammered in the digital interweb era. This will truly challenge the way information is consumed especially when President Trump starts to confront the traditional media head on his way.

Really? What percentage of Americans actually have Twitter accounts and rely on it for news? Trump will start off making out he can bypass the media, but after a while he will have to acknowledge reality.

Im not surprised he axed the womens health NGO funding, weve seen he likes to mock women for having periods

The largest ever global protest against anyone?? seem to have been right hes not just a sexit bigot, he is dangerous to women

childbirth is after all the biggest cause of death for women of child bearing, especially adolescent girls, in the developing world
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs348/en/

Some Epic trolling of Trump around. really making me laugh.

ON a more serious note he had a court action raised against him today as he is in breach of the constitution by taking money from foreign governments as his buisnesses have government contracts form other countries and he is still the beneficiary. I suspect he will spend so much time and energy tioed up in lawsuits that he won't actually be ableto do much

But and this is a big but, how as a free marketeer and fellow libertarian meritocracist (I've got the distinct impression that you are) - how, just how, can you defend Trumps protectionism? Can you please enlighten me?

isn't it obvious? Lunatic Brexiters are one the most hypocritical bunch around, they are DESPERATE to sign a deal. They would sell the UK down the river, and like with the trump supporters, will ignore stuff like "protectionism" if the President promises one thing: Any kind of trade deal.

The most ominous word being "ANY" in that sentence.

I seem to remember that TPP ranged from vaguely disliked to outright hated on this site (views from the whole political spectrum seemed to agree). Regardless of who killed it, surely it's just a good thing that it's dead?

Seems to me (I don't give a stuff about brexit) that the most hypocritical bunch around are those who like democracy until it doesn't give them the result they want, then proceed to blame anything and everything on "thick" people who don't agree with them.

wrecker - Member
I seem to remember that TPP ranged from vaguely disliked to outright hated on this site (views from the whole political spectrum seemed to agree). Regardless of who killed it, surely it's just a good thing that it's dead?

I think thatd be TTIP you are thinking of, doubt weve discussed TPP

but principles are similar

Looks like the TTIP is next on the menu!

I would think so. It's already on shaky ground so another easy win early on

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/23/reported-putin-journalists-trump-media ]Some tips for journalists dealing with Trump[/url]
A comparison with Putin.

Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?

For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete. The working arrangement with the Far Eastern companies is more like a partnership that's mutually beneficial. But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?

"For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete."

I'm not sure I completely buy this - it's true for some consumer electronics but also untrue for others.

If we take the example of apple - their profit margin is enormous. On a $600-$900 iPhone the factory gate cost is below $225 and that includes labour - so even if labour costs changed from $10 to $40 per unit the profit margin is still massively out of line with other industries, and then we have to allow to apple's well proven tax avoidance structures which has led to them having $220b in cash on their books - google, Microsoft and apple have over $1.6 trillion in cash between them.

So (through gritted teeth), fair play to Trump - if he forces companies like Apple to create jobs and invest in the market that provides so much of their profit then good on him.

But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?

molgrips - Member
Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?

For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete. The working arrangement with the Far Eastern companies is more like a partnership that's mutually beneficial. But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?

maccruiskeen - Member

I got a call from Tim Cook at Apple, and I said, "Tim, you know one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you're making your product right here."
He said, "I understand that."

I said: "I think we'll create the incentives for you, and I think you’re going to do it. We're going for a very large tax cut for corporations, which you'll be happy about."

And then Tim said what?..... Trump doesn't go on to tell us nothing of what Tim said next. He didn't tell us what Bill Gates said when he asked him to switch off the internet either.

Ironically TPP was intended to move southeast asian countries away from China
Xi Jinping has already started sounding out the the other 11 nations if they want to replicate the deal with China rather than America. (not sure how likely that is to fly)

TPP was also meant to include a renegotiation of NAFTA, which will now be done separately

It was estimated that TPP would add 357bn to the US economy
https://piie.com/publications/working-papers/economic-effects-trans-pacific-partnership-new-estimates

Looks like the TTIP is next on the menu!

It's already long dead. Trump will just walk up to the decomposing corpse and claim he shot it.

On a $600-$900 iPhone the factory gate cost is below $225 and that includes labour - so even if labour costs changed from $10 to $40 per unit the profit margin is still massively out of line with other industries

As I pointed out when this came up before: small amounts matter a lot at these scales. I've worked with device manufacturers who will rejig a whole design to save a few pence on a component.

Foxconn’s Zhengzhou factory produces 500,000 iPhones a day!

So a $10 to $40 per unit increase is the difference between $5 million a day bill and a $20 million a day bill.

On a $600-$900 iPhone the factory gate cost is below $225 and that includes labour

Are you talking about $225 to manufacture or $225 including all research and development costs? And are you including all the licenses and development costs of the software running on the phones that don't get made in the factory. Apple is a profitable company but their profits isn't more than 50% of their turnover in the way your example suggest - its more like 20% - even though a lot of the their income comes for things that aren't physically manufactured- like iTunes sales commission, software etc

There are talks of Apple starting to sell a TV , made in the US for the sole purpose of pleasing Trump .

kimbers - Member
Ironically TPP was intended to move southeast asian countries away from China
Xi Jinping has already started sounding out the the other 11 nations if they want to replicate the deal with China rather than America. (not sure how likely that is to fly)

TPP was also meant to include a renegotiation of NAFTA, which will now be done separately

It was estimated that TPP would add 357bn to the US economy
https://piie.com/publications/working-papers/economic-effects-trans-pacific-partnership-new-estimates

We don't need TPP to not buy Chinese products in SE Asia. 😆
If you value your health you simply avoid buying Chinese product food related wise. 😆
Chinese manufacturers have tarnished their own names by creating so many fakes people just don't trust them anymore. No need TPP coz we just avoid them ... 😆
People mostly buy locally made brand now coz imported brands are expensive and Chinese products have bad reputation ...
On the other hand China just buy up all our natural resources ... their demand is very high. Palm oil anyone?

There are talks of Apple starting to sell a TV , made in the US for the sole purpose of pleasing Trump

Look at the Far East they have the will so they can compete.

Yes they also have a labour-based society where people are prepared to live and eat on-site, work very long hours and get paid $283 a month.

I'm not sure how many Americans would be up for that. Maybe they'll get the Mexicans to do it for them? 😉

Anyways, for anyone interested here is a nice in-depth NY Times article about the workings of Foxconn, the Zhengzhou factory and the various incentives and subsidies that Foxconn receive from the Chinese government.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/apple-iphone-china-foxconn.html

(Good journalism that - the kind of thing that is difficult to replicate in 140 characters and hashtags)

We don't need TPP to not buy Chinese products in SE Asia.

well seeing as they manage to sell $ half a trillion worth of stuff to the rest of Asia a year, youd better hope they dont get their act together 😆

My light bicycle rims are still rocking!

GrahamS - Member
Yes they also have a labour-based society where people are prepared to live and eat on-site, work very long hours and get paid $283 a month.

I'm not sure how many Americans would be up for that. Maybe they'll get the Mexicans to do it for them?

Anyways, for anyone interested here is a nice in-depth NY Times article about the workings of Foxconn, the Zhengzhou factory and the various incentives and subsidies that Foxconn receive from the Chinese government.

kimbers - Member

We don't need TPP to not buy Chinese products in SE Asia.

well seeing as they manage to sell $ half a trillion worth of stuff to the rest of Asia a year, youd better hope they dont get their act together

My light bicycle rims are still rocking!

Some products we take a risk on as we know we can use it for a while but generally people avoid. They are cheap ... at the expense of your own medical bills. 😆

Of course there are still Chinese products everywhere but know the quality ... plenty of "poundland" quality btw.

Yes, even fake goods have grading. Grade 4 is the best fake. Gucci anyone?

TPP was not even signed by the Congress , a lot of noise for nothing .

What Chris says, it's highly unlikely the Republican Congress would ever have enacted it not least becase Obama was a big fan (ref @Ernie's point)

@wrecker TTIP was already dead

Trump has been quite clear he favours bilateral deals between countries. As per the press conf today Trump sees no reason why a small country would benefit in the same way as a large one with regard to access to the US market. As such "trade blocks" don't interest him. Trump absolutely gets the fact that a wealthy country which is a major net importer is the one who should hold the upper hand in a trade negotiation.

Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?

As I posted elsewhere the margin on Apple products is huge, they couod manufacture in the US and just make a smaller profit, a smaller profit is what Trump will ensure if he puts import tariffs on phones/ipads. Apple had invested in a Phoenix Gorilla Glass plant in Arizona to manufacture in US, it was the technology which didn't work not the economics of production.

I find it odd people are (quite rightly) against rampant tax evasion by companies such as Apple but support production in China at the expense of American jobs.

Trump absolutely gets the fact that a wealthy country which is a major net importer is the one who should hold the upper hand in a trade negotiation.

Apple will probably work out which is the most cost effective way to pay the tax be it on devices or profits. As with all of these the key indicator will be the bottom line, does the US create more and does the import tarrif compensate for people not.

As for Bernie a few pages back I need to re read it though but it mostly looks like a simply baited trap. He will help but on his terms, JC could probably learn something there. If it's going to be benificial for the ordinary working American then he is in. If it's not then he isn't.

As with anything the regulations people want rid of are the ones that will hurt profits/people most.

I tell you, one thing I would say, so, I'm giving a big tax cut and I'm giving big regulation cuts, and I've seen all of the small business owners over the United States, and all of the big business owners, I've met so many people. They are more excited about the regulation cut than about the tax cut. And I would've never said that's possible, because the tax cut's going to be substantial. You know we have companies leaving our country because the taxes are too high. But they're leaving also because of the regulations.

and some gems I spotted reading back through

@seso Americans respect people who have made money. What they hate are the politicians who want go get rich by allowing themselves to be bought.

Five things you've got wrong about Donald Trump

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/anthony-scaramucci-donald-trump-united-states-president

If it's going to be benificial for the ordinary working American then he is in. If it's not then he isn't.

Er, yeah.......wasn't that obvious then?

Five things you've got wrong about Donald Trump

Context, context, context...

Just like when you studied history take a closer look and ask yourself these things.
Who is saying this?
Why are they saying it?
What do they want?

If it's one thing we really know is that he has trouble remembering what he sys, denies sayuing things that were recorded on TV and ultimatly needs a crack team running around behind him fixing all of the screw ups and tweets
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It's probably a good job that he now has a time machine

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ernie_lynch - Member

If it's going to be benificial for the ordinary working American then he is in. If it's not then he isn't.

Er, yeah.......wasn't that obvious then?

As I posted elsewhere the margin on Apple products is huge

That article I linked states: "A 32-gigabyte iPhone 7 costs an estimated $400 to produce. It retails for roughly $649 in the United States, with Apple taking a piece of the difference as profit"

I find it odd people are (quite rightly) against rampant tax evasion by companies such as Apple but support production in China at the expense of American jobs.

I wouldn't say I "support" it - I just recognise the reality of it.

China has a deliberately depressed currency, a burgeoning population desperate for jobs, little respect for things like workers rights or environmental safety, and a government that will plough in billions of subsidies, tax breaks and state-run dormitories to keep those jobs going. The factory city itself is a special "bonded zone", virtual foreign soil with customs controls at the gates.

And even then Foxconn are currently producing 10,000 "Foxbots" a year to replace the meatbags on the production lines.

Are these really the jobs Americans want back? The ones that were in the news a couple of years ago due to the terrible conditions and high suicide rates? The ones that are already being automated away?

Are these really the jobs Americans want back? The ones that were in the news a couple of years ago due to the terrible conditions and high suicide rates? The ones that are already being automated away?

And don't forget the coal mines - who in their right mind wants to be a miner? Americans want dole not coal. Or at least they should.

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The TPP thing is pretty funny- lots of people who were against it when Bernie spoke against it, now think Trump's the devil for cancelling it. It looked like a dog's breakfast to me and there was much about it that outright sucked but people seem to be forgetting its underlying purpose, ie, tie other nations to the US and draw them away from China. It's a complicated thing being painted in very simple terms, so I think what matters is what happens next more than what happened today...

The hiring freeze seems to basically a stupid stunt- the GAO did a pretty definitive takedown of Reagan's freeze and found that it cost money, disrupted agencies, and didn't effectively control recruitment anyway. (shocking discovery- short term contracts are expensive and aren't a good way to retain expertise, and labour requirements don't go away just because the boss signed a thing) It's no substitute for an actual strategic change of direction but you can't do that in 140 characters.

The Mexico City policy just basically sucks but it's something that previous administrations have done so it's kind of traditional at this point. But it could be symbolic or it could be the first shots fired in an anti-choice war.

molgrips - Member

Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?

He's alluding to absolutely massive incentives for companies, which presumably he'll pay for with mumble mumble hey look up there a dead bird! Of course at the same time he's making publically pleasing threats. Remains to be seen which he'll actually follow through and how.

It might actually be possible, nobody really knows but it's not happening in a large scale in a single term- it's just not possible to create the capacity. 2, 3 terms? Maybe, with billions of dollars of "incentives". But even the most optimistic supporters of this sort of thing see a medium-long term transition period where it's simply impossible to relocate whole industries in the timescale, and yet the measures needed to make it happen all have to be active. So if you're doing it punitively, there's simply no way for companies to avoid that.

So again we're talking about things that can only work as massive, long term projects being talked about as if you can just say "change this" and have it happen, and in simplistic terms like "build a factory" and not mentioning that Foxconn has "factories" that are essentially city-states. The scale is mindboggling...

Their Shenzhen complex is pretty much the size of Miami, and it's taken 30 years to build. That one facility (you really can't say factory) would be the US's 3rd biggest employer, only after Walmart and the US government. And this stuff only works because they have workers that are happy to work 6 day weeks and 12 hour days and live in their Foxconn barrack town and watch the Foxconn TV channel and buy from the Foxxconn corporate store and go to the Foxconn hospital to have their babies...

OTOH they plan to invest half a billion dollars in Brazil to build factories that employ 10000. That sort of thing's feasible but it's no gamechanger.

And don't forget the coal mines - who in their right mind wants to be a miner? Americans want dole not coal. Or at least they should.

Trump digs coal because the misogynist muppet has invested in coal. Unlike the Chinese who have invested in sustainable energy. Hmm, I wonder what history will record as the savvy decision...

Trump digs coal because the misogynist muppet has invested in coal.

He's a proper alpha male, eh?.......only a misogynist muppet would invest in coal.

only a misogynist muppet would invest in coal

A snippet of a conversation from a political leader elsewhere when asked about the most annoying questions asked/wanting to give an honest answer.
When moving an area out of an industry that has done harm but delivered cash people go with the my father was ____, I'm a ______ whats my kids going to do.
The answer she really wanted to give is anything the wanted to without being tied down by the old jobs for all my family forever thing that traps people by determining by the time they get to school they will be doing this when they leave.
Digging and burning coal as a job creation scheme is backwards, harmful and will put the USA behind in the economies of the future. It's interesting to see the balance of Tesla on one side and Coal/How we always did it on the other.

After the shit I get from you Ernie for not utterly loathing Israel, you support Trump and the prosperity of workers - only if they are white though. No alleigiance to the internatiknal workinv class, hey?

I have a sneaking feeling that you're actually a classic garden variety skinhead.

corroded - Member
Trump digs coal because the misogynist muppet has invested in coal. Unlike the Chinese who have invested in [b]sustainable energy.[/b] Hmm, I wonder what history will record as the savvy decision...

Sustainable? Clean energy?

Do you know where their smog comes from? 😆

I agree. FFS, Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize on day 4. Premature? I think so. You can't judge these things so early.

He got it after 10 months. Still too early but not 4 days

He got it after 10 months. Still too early but not 4 days

This thread really has descended to the level of the EU thread.

who in their right mind wants to be a miner?

Who in their right mind wants to work on an offshore wind farm?

Unlike the Chinese who have invested in sustainable energy.

They are the Worlds largest coal producer.

IHS Markit attributes the drop to a temporary slowdown in economic growth, and expects the decline in Chinese coal consumption to bottom out by 2018, then rise again before peaking in the mid-2020

They will only start using alternative energy sources once their coal starts to run out.

I read today that Nincompoop is making January 20th in the USA "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" in celebration of his inauguration and that he announced that the rain pausing for his speech was an act of god.

Hold on. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

ernie_lynch
This thread really has descended to the level of the EU thread.

Descended? It's just this....

but through the medium of a forum thread.

Good posts from North wind and mikewsmith.

Again with the name-calling?

I thought we were having a fairly interesting discussion about whether Trump's moves to bring FoxConn jobs to the US would be effective or not and whether they will bring in jobs that people actually want.

(Not entirely sure why you diverted that onto coal ernie, not sure I see the link, but there is certainly an interesting debate to be had their too)

If foxconn do build a new factory then surely it'll be automated as much as possible, they're unlikely to build one from scratch and then bring robots in afterwards.

This thread really has descended to the level of the EU thread.

Don't forget to pick up your participants medal on the way out. 8)

If foxconn do build a new factory then surely it'll be automated as much as possible, they're unlikely to build one from scratch and then bring robots in afterwards.

A (typically vague) answer to that might be found in Trump's interview:

FRIEDMAN: Are you worried, though, that those companies will keep their factories here, but the jobs will be replaced by robots?

TRUMP: They will, and we'll make the robots, too. [laughter]

TRUMP: It’s a big thing, we’ll make the robots, too. Right now we don’t make the robots. We don’t make anything. But we’re going to. I mean, look, robotics is becoming very big and we’re going to do that. We’re going to have more factories. We can’t lose 70,000 factories. Just can’t do it. We’re going to start making things.

Thing is though, FoxConn already make robots and they are very good at it. 10,000 a year in a pleasing green:

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FoxConn have stated [url= http://www.scmp.com/tech/innovation/article/1829834/foxconns-foxbot-army-close-hitting-chinese-market-track-meet-30-cent ]their goal is 30 per cent automation at its Chinese factories by 2020[/url] and boast [url= http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11772222/foxconn-automation-robots-apple-samsung-smartphones ]they have already automated away 60,000 jobs at one factory[/url].

This is why this thread keeps on degenerating, you try and make a reasonable point and then someone quotes what trump said about that topic and you realise reason and logic have no home here.

This is why this thread keeps on degenerating, you try and make a reasonable point and then someone quotes what trump said about that topic and you realise reason and logic have no home here.

You might want to read again: I was agreeing with you akira. 🙂

Just because I quote what Trump said in an attempt to clarify his position doesn't mean that I agree with it.

You might want to read again: I was agreeing with you akira.

Just because I quote what Trump said in an attempt to clarify his position doesn't mean that I agree with it.

I think you need to read Akira's post again, as he is agreeing with you also 😀

on the Foxcon factory stuff this is actually the real issue for the politicians of the world. We don't need heaps of manual labour, bringing back some car jobs to the US might help but in 10 years there will be less people working in there. It's actually one of the biggest questions and it comes back to things like basic incomes and what people expect from life. It comes down to education and training and lifting people up from the jobs that will be gone. Unfortunately for the US lowering taxes and more will mean less to spend on things like Education which will just increase the rich/poor divide as birth will seal your fate. Then it won't matter how many cars are made which side of a border.

Foxconn, the Taiwanese contract manufacturing company best known for its partnership with Apple, has said that it is mulling a $7 billion investment in US manufacturing that could create between 30,000 and 50,000 jobs.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2017/01/apple-manufacturer-foxconn-considers-7-billion-screen-factory-in-us/

And meanwhile, on the coal thing:

China's energy regulator has ordered 11 provinces to stop more than 100 coal-fired power projects, with a combined installed capacity of more than 100 gigawatts,

glad I clicked the link

Foxconn wants “bargain rates” on land and power before it makes US investments

Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou says the company is talking with the state of Pennsylvania among others about getting the land and electricity subsidies it would need to build a factory.

“If US state governments are willing to provide these terms, and we calculate and it is cheaper than shipping from China or Japan, then why wouldn’t Sharp build a factory in the US?" said Gou.

A little different from the snippet you posted

China's energy regulator has ordered 11 provinces to stop more than 100 coal-fired power projects, with a combined installed capacity of more than 100 gigawatts,

That's because their pollution levels are off the scale. The air in parts of China is absolutely toxic.

100 GW is only about 10% of their coal fired power stations.

Why are people trying to hold up China as an example to the West?

I think you need to read Akira's post again, as he is agreeing with you also

Wait so am I agreeing with you too? Clearly I need more coffee. 😆

on the Foxcon factory stuff this is actually the real issue for the politicians of the world.

Yeah I think that a lot of employment issues that have been blamed on "globalisation" lately are as much to do with a general shift away from manual factory labour as the cost of automation continues to drop.

Why are people trying to hold up China as an example to the West?

well they are a great example of why you dont wanna be burning more coal...

Wait so am I agreeing with you too? Clearly I need more coffee.

Oh, no, I am disagreeing with everyone 😉

The usual China thing is
a) No point in doing anything while China does nothing
b) Stealing all the jobs to sell us products that we refuse to pay more for

I'm agreeing with nearly everyone on this thread, bat crazy exceptions obviously.

Some comic relief:

And don't forget the coal mines - who in their right mind wants to be a miner?

And don't forget the coal mines - who in their right mind wants to be a miner?

Very interesting point this. Mining is shit, and most miners would agree. But what they value is a sense of self, vlalue, and community brought from all working together and struggling together.

What if there were a way to bring a whole community forward into the new world without making them dig pollution out of the ground all day and night? What if there were a better way than just removing their business justification?

This was what Maggie didn't get - or care about.

Should we skip the middle man and go straight to sucking putin's dick?

well they are a great example of why you dont wanna be burning more coal

You know that many developing or just developed countries had to rely on coal for cost reasons right?

Maybe if the west was willing to put its miney where its mouth was and subsidise the greening of the products it wants to buy for cheap, then they might have changed fuel source earlier.

wondered why Spicer was so cagey on questions about how many people trump brought in!

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/donald-trump-cia-speech

does he not realise that alienating the intelligence agencies does him no favours?

Trip to Dallas for Mr Trump?

Isn't most US mining open cast ? Less sh.t way of making a living than underground. Mining is very important economically to certain regions in the US and of course from a compeitve standpoint China uses huge amounts fo coal to generate cheap electricity. Complex and difficult issue.

Complex and difficult issue.

Might be a clue here why he surrounds himself with old white men and has no compunction about making things difficult for unwittingly pregnant women...

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/melania-trump-first-lady-just-an-object-donald-trump-body-language-expert-us-president-white-house-a7542806.html ]My wife is a thing to me[/url]

My wife is a thing to me

Apologies for FB video but this expresses it well:

[quote=Mr Woppit ]Might be a clue here why he surrounds himself with old white men and has no compunction about making things difficult for unwittingly pregnant women...
My wife is a thing to me

He must have, at some point in time, got some "side chick" pregnant and forced her to get an abortion. That had to have happened.