Don’t worry though, give it 12 months and Trump will have pardoned himself of everything and anything and will be moving on to a Putin style removal of time limits on presentency and today’s news will be the merest of sidenotes.
I can sadly see this happening (or at least attempted). The irony of ripping up 'The Constitution' whilst at the same time arguing about such things as the right to bear arms as it is written in 'The Constitution'.
Certainly Biden should withdraw. I would say a great deal of voters in the US do not want trump representing them on the world stage, but at the same time arent too happy about voting for a president who possibly has dementia.
A new dem' candidate would secure more votes
The definition of an Official act
seems to be anything done in his capacity as president, which leaves any president an insane amount of leeway, Reps too dem to see that this could be abused terribly by a future Dem president to their detriment
official act
(3) the term “official act” means any decision or action on any question, matter, cause, suit, proceeding or controversy, which may at any time be pending, or which may by law be brought before any public official, in such official’s official capacity, or in such official’s place of trust or profit;
This could be the best gift that Biden (assuming he runs) could have hoped for
certainly galvanised the democratic base
If Biden wins he can now take a hit out on Trump and the right wing SCOTUS appointees.
All official like, too.
Well, that is certainly rather shocking to read. Although sadly not surprising
I'm not sure in all the cheering, whether the GOP might have overlooked the galvanizing effect it will have on their opponents
If there's one thing I'm sure of, it'll come back and bite their arses.
If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’ll come back and bite their arses.
Yup President Harrises MAGA emergency internment act of 2026, will come as quite the shock
If Biden wins he can now take a hit out on Trump and the right wing SCOTUS appointees.
If he wins? He can just send the Seals round tonight (not legal advice).
If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’ll come back and bite their arses.
One of the other major cases heard was a reversal of a decision the republicans had loved at the time since it put power into the hands of the federal agencies which were under their control. They changed their mind when that slowly got undone and now moved it into the courts which they control.
found out today that Gavin Newsom was married to Kimberley guilfoyle, crazed former DA and fiancee of Trump Junior and now head of RNC
this article is fantastic insight on the bind the Dem's find themselves in:
So sleepy Joe could have a dream that navy seals could gut trumpy fish and nobody cares if it becomes reality.
cool
And take out the maga Supreme Court judges too 🤷♂️🤦🏻♂️ they aren’t very bright are they 🤯?
finishthat
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So sleepy Joe could have a dream that navy seals could gut trumpy fish and nobody cares if it becomes reality.cool
As long as it's an official presidential dream it's all good. 😉
I'm not sure if it hasn't wiped the debate slate clean for Biden
Massive own goal long term.
It's another step away from democracy, and Biden must put the corruption of the Supreme Court front and centre of his campaign. Can you imagine what Trump will do with unrestricted power in a second term?
It is rather ironic that the typical republican voter is one who wants less government power over their lives, yet they're likely voting in a president and party that's going to do their utmost to give themselves even more unchallenged power over them
They scream themselves hoarse about liberty when all along they wanted a king.
Ironies upon ironies.
Can anyone explain what the line is right now between what the president can do without question and what needs to go to Congress or the senate. I'm aware of the "Executive Orders" but who decides what they can be? Is that the supreme courts responsibility?
They scream themselves hoarse about liberty when all along they wanted a king.
Yes, I would imagine there's some fairly furious re-writing of Independence Day speeches going on...... if the Dem's can't leverage this, now, then there really is no hope for them.
Indeed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c035zqe7lgro The US has a King
I don't understand perhaps naively, how party politics can play a part in the Supreme Court. Surely there is the law, not a Conservative or Liberal interpretation of it? Trump appointing judges seems to be helping him...
FB this morning full of memes of Biden on the phone to Seal Team 6 now he's got the all clear....
If the law is vague, or general, and open to interpretation, then people will have a view on it. That will depend on ther own beliefs, experience and/or morals (see Roe vs. Wade and 2nd amendment).
If you make a law specific, then people will find a way around it, if it is more general, it _will_ be open to interpretation.
Just cos el trumpy is king doesn't mean the poor chumps enacting his dodgy proclamations will be immune too
Just cos el trumpy is king doesn’t mean the poor chumps enacting his dodgy proclamations will be immune too
There will be pardons flying left, right and centre if Trump gets back in. The bloke will pardon himself as soon as he gets the chance. Even the old Tiger King will get one this time around.
I don’t understand perhaps naively, how party politics can play a part in the Supreme Court. Surely there is the law, not a Conservative or Liberal interpretation of it? Trump appointing judges seems to be helping him…
remember that next time judges or lawyers question the ability of government to influence their decisions! The US system of politically appointed judges makes this sort of stuff inevitable. (That said I’m not sure the ruling says what a lot of people think it does - but once you let politics into court rooms the assumption is, it is playing a part and so must be doing what the media says these polar opposites expect).
Well, that is certainly rather shocking to read. Although sadly not surprising
I’m not sure in all the cheering, whether the GOP might have overlooked the galvanizing effect it will have on their opponents
If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’ll come back and bite their arses.
The military will be confused...
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." US military officers' oath. Enlisted personnel also swear allegiance to their officers (including their Commander in Chief, the President)
All in it's a dangerous precedent for a dangerous president.
But, there's a great deal of time and testing to figure out to what extent it applies, and what an 'official act' is. It creates a massive cushion of litigation and uncertainty for Trump to take advantage of, even if it doesn't end up giving him carte blanche in the way he thinks (which it may!?). I've no idea if it only covers the period of presidency/sworn in/out of office either, it bloody well should do.
With his current cases, how can anything about the hush money case be seen as an official act of a president, when the crimes occurred before he was sworn into office (as far as I understand?). Same with the classified papers: didn't that occur after he was in office, and waving top secret papers around at parties can be claimed to be an 'official act'.
I guess none of that matters as the headline and not the detail of the decision will be used and abused for all it is worth. It will be seen by him and his supporters as 'I am the immune king of the US'. What an epic and dangerous mess. If feels like the US is unravelling itself.
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All in it’s a dangerous precedent for a dangerous president.
ISWYDT
A corrupt decision made by a corrupt court. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that a President is immune from criminal prosecution. They are just making stuff up now 🤷♂️🤦🏻♂️ .
Enabling Act Lite.
Even if Trump is elected, DOJ is apparently going to continue with the various cases until roughly January 20th.
how can anything about the hush money case be seen as an official act of a president
As I understand it, it's something to do with some of the evidence the prosecutor used in the trial, which came from when he was in office. The argument is that evidence shouldn't have been included cos of immunity, and if it hadn't, he'd have been found not guilty.
As I understand it, it’s something to do with some of the evidence the prosecutor used in the trial, which came from when he was in office. The argument is that evidence shouldn’t have been included cos of immunity, and if it hadn’t, he’d have been found not guilty.
yep a lot of the SCOTUS ruling was about blocking the use of evidence and making it much harder to request & obtain it
So, where does this ruling stand in terms of the second amendment? Same place as the forces oath?
They are just making stuff up now
I think that boat sailed a long time ago. I doubt that the right to bear arms was written with automatic weapons in mind. The constitution, much like the Ten Commandments, is a document of its time. Some bits still hold up, others not so much.
I hope Trump will reject this decision as politically motivated and false, as he has done with every decision that went against him.
Paying hush money to a prostitute is definitely an official act, everyone knows this 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
How long is Biden going to wait before officially authorising the removal of this threat to democracy and national security?
I doubt that the right to bear arms was written with automatic weapons in mind. The constitution, much like the Ten Commandments, is a document of its time. Some bits still hold up, others not so much.
Theres not even a definitive version of the Ten Commandments. Theres a case going on in <I forget which state> requiring schools to display the 10 commandments in classroom. This is
a) in contravention of the US Constitution
b) the version of the Ten Commandments they want to be displayed was written by Cecil B DeMilne as part of the promotional material for his movie.
Theres a case going on in <I forget which state> requiring schools to display the 10 commandments in classroom
Read that.
Ironically the guy insisting on it had his personal fortune go from nearly $3m to $12.5m in only 3 years. So pretty obvious which god he worships.
Crazy
He's a lucky f****ng man
Unlucky for the rest of us
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1812253927695642918?t=H_9EMfpP0SJ6MtUwtWEBTA&s=19
Gary O'Donoghue on bbc just quoted a passer by as saying (they fired first, this is f*cking war!" It's certainly going to embolden him and his supporters, assuming he's ok.
