The only wrong for Trump is that he got caught, which also demonstrates that he is not very good at managing. He is good at the big picture
He isnt. He has spent his life bullying "little people" in court. Dealing with porn stars and smallish construction firms who after he screws them over go to their lawyers who being equally small and dependant on word of mouth rather than saying yes lets sue him explain to their clients whilst they are in the right ultimately Trump can outspend them and so its better to cut their losses now and either take some cash or just take the hit.
Now though he has stepped into an arena with people who have rather more than their kids college fund available to them and so can turn around and call his bluff.
His real enemy is that he challenges the very powerful shadowy lobbyists
Uh huh. Do they have space lasers by any chance?
bearnecessities
Full MemberMy guess is he’ll still be the next president.
I think this could be the moment it turns around tbh. It'll make no difference to most democrat voters though it may well motivate some few to vote who might not have bothered, and it'll make little difference to republican voters since at this point they're all either mental, or completely reconciled to voting for a human dogshit, the only people it'll hit there is people with some weird "criminal conviction" red line but it won't make much difference to most. And even more so for republican politicians, a bunch will make noise and then come round to supporting him anyway after pointless tokenism.
But for floating voters and nonvoters, ie, apolitical people, disenchanted and disgusted people, and actual idiots, I can only see it going one way and things are so ridiculously divisive now that they're more important than ever. And turnout could be absolutely massive in some key states. Like, people forget that Biden took more votes in Texas than any winning candidate ever except from Trump in that same election- it's just that voter numbers and turnout were also record high.
TLDR I can't see many people switching from red to blue but I can definitely see people switching from red to none and from none to blue in much greater numbers than the other way.
Now though he has stepped into an arena with people who have rather more than their kids college fund available to them and so can turn around and call his bluff.
Yes, the lobbyists. They control the American politics.
Uh huh. Do they have space lasers by any chance?
Space lasers? The main question staring back to Western politics is very simple. Why do American and British politicians (all parties) or even the "entire" West continue to consider it legitimate to support a regime that is trying decimate the Palestinians?
exactly how low is Melania’s self esteem that she has not walked from this steaming pile of turd?
Are we still pretending that she's his wife, and not an employee? At best, she's a prop.
With respect Chewk, perhaps what's happening in Gaza needs to be in a separate thread.
trump, same as leonara helmsley, believed that the law only applies to little people - meaning those people they considered to be ordinary and of no significance; not those short in stature.
The same people who founded them both guilty.
She was proved wrong and the same now applies to him.
TBH, I don't feel any real sense of schadenfreude with Trump being convicted, I feel incredibly sad that such a person was able to dupe enough people to support him in the first instance.
trump, same as leonara helmsley, believed that the law only applies to little people – meaning those people they considered to be ordinary and of no significance; not those short in stature.
Precisely - he believes that with money you can buy anything. And to be fair, his track record shows that to be mostly true - he's used his cash to buy himself out of so many situations, where somebody without it would have been met with severe consequenses.
His political career has seen him lie with impunity after realising (along with Boris and his ilk in the UK) there are absolutely no meaningful consequences for doing so - until now.... maybe...... we will see
TBH, I don’t feel any real sense of schadenfreude with Trump being convicted, I feel incredibly sad that such a person was able to dupe enough people to support him in the first instance
100% agree. The problem is even that Trump ends up as a busted flush - disgraced and penniless, the "base" that supported him still exists, and will be just floating there, waiting for somebody to pick up the playbook that Trump/Bannon et al have written, and hook them with it again.
trump, same as leonara helmsley, believed that the law only applies to little people – meaning those people they considered to be ordinary and of no significance; not those short in stature.
It's America, the land of plenty and grab whatever they can.
The politicians on both sides take advantage of their power to bully the weak, and their business culture is the same.
100% agree. The problem is even that Trump ends up as a busted flush – disgraced and penniless, the “base” that supported him still exists, and will be just floating there, waiting for somebody to pick up the playbook that Trump/Bannon et al have written, and hook them with it again.
Yep. The Citizens United vs FEC ruling removed campaign donation limits, which in turn meant that a few well heeled individuals can pony up enough cash as a policy incentive to dwarf the spending power of the 99%. The fact that quite a few of Trump's megadonors appear to want to continue to support him speaks volumes.
frankconway
Full MemberThere is no bigger dog than the US government.
Which isn't entirely reassuring, when you're dealing with a criminal, disgraced, failed former president who has a very real chance of being a criminal disgraced failed president.
Are we still pretending that she’s his wife, and not an employee? At best, she’s a prop.
Rather, I think Dementia Don is her piggy bank, just someone to tolerate (just), while enjoying the trappings of his lifestyle. In pretty much every photo I’ve seen of them together, her face is an expressionless mask. She’s no dummy, and I’m sure she’s just waiting for the right moment to drop the hammer and announce the divorce she’s been planning for this situation.
She’s almost certainly not short of money, I’ll bet she’s been squirrelling away money for years, while letting Don pay for everything.
I wonder what so many criminal convictions does for his credit rating? Could banks call in loans early? Will his House of Cards collapse spectacularly?
Let's hope so...
Technically, he's now barred from entering Canada. I bet there's some other countries have similar rules...
The gag order is still in place BTW. Any further efforts to attack witnesses etc could see problems for Felony Don.
And even more so for republican politicians, a bunch will make noise and then come round to supporting him anyway after pointless tokenism.
Sadly it looks like the grandees of the Republican party bypassed the noise and pointless tokenism and went directly to shaming themselves on the court steps. I wonder if any of them wake up in the morning and look at themselves in the mirror and wonder how it came to this.
Whilst the prosecution system is politicised in the states, which to my European eyes in madness, the concept of an entire political party the size of the GOP denigrating the justice system is one of the most worrying aspects of this. Hands up who wants to be a juror at the moment?
Disappointed, they really, really should have had his sentencing date set for the 4th of July 😉 😜
Whilst the prosecution system is politicised in the states, which to my European eyes in madness, the concept of an entire political party the size of the GOP denigrating the justice system is one of the most worrying aspects of this.
I suspect this will come back over the coming years in civil unrest and individual actions as anyone who doesn't like the result of a prosecution decides to object...
Thoughts and prayers
Thoughts and ****ing prayers
It's definitely affected the odds (in Biden's favour by about 3%) but Trump is still very much the favourite
https://electionbettingodds.com/President2024.html#chart
We'll see what happens but unless this turns into a trend and not just a blip I'm not getting my hopes up.
given that Trump has given the GOP control of Scotus, they’ll back him even if he turns out to have been murdering babies all this time.
Did he though? He just happens to have been the Republican president in the hot seat when some of the old guard croaked. And I'd contend plenty of other republican candidates would have been successful in 2016. Statistically they were probably due a win and the Dems had offered up Hilary Clinton who is quite hard to love. He wasn't some sort of Messiah doing something no one else could have done. He just did it in such a divisive way (mainly by weaponising the cheb-ends with fears and dillusions) as to fundamentally change the political landscape.....possibly in a way that will take a couple of generations to undo.
All great news, but is it going to stop him doing anything?
Suspect it won't stop the presidential attempt...would be great if it did, but unlikely I reckon - but if it did, who would be stepped in? He won't do jail time...
what I can’t figure out is that, barring Hilary Clinton, the democrats could roll out pretty much anyone as their candidate and trump wouldn’t have a chance . They must know this.
If Biden really had America’s best interests at heart he’d step down gracefully and let someone hand trump his arse.
Sadly that was probably true about a year ago but it's now too late - both procedurally and in terms of public exposure.
what I can’t figure out is that, barring Hilary Clinton, the democrats could roll out pretty much anyone as their candidate and trump wouldn’t have a chance . They must know this.
That just isn't correct. Bidens best ally, and Trumps biggest risk is the sofa. Disgruntled Trump voters won't move elsewhere, they certainly won't jump to Dems, they will just stay at home and not vote. But they hate Clinton, like really, really hate her. Passionately hate her. So much so that they would get off the sofa and vote for Trump, not because they want Trump to be President but because they really don't want Clinton to be President.
both procedurally and in terms of public exposure.
On the first point, they could still have a contested Convention (think the last one was in 68).
On the second point, probably. But if it becomes clear Biden is not going to manage a campaign then they need to at least think about it.
So much so that they would get off the sofa and vote for Trump, not because they want Trump to be President but because they really don’t want Clinton to be President.
That’s why he said “barring Hilary Clinton”.
as mentioned above it won't stop him, will enable more fundraising and he won't do time but it will move the middle group voters and that is where the huge battle ground is. In the days of single issue politics (Gaza is enough to ensure some people will never vote for Biden - yes, I know) having an issue like this that can be micro targed to the right swing voters is a great tool for the Democrats to have in their toolbag
I guess we also have to remember how toxic a Trump endorsement was in the mud terms too. There might just be enough voters in the right places with some level of decency to ensure he's on the way to a care home and not the white house.
Melania, please do the right thing here.
File for divorce in September / October....
agreed.. which is why I said ‘ barring Hilary Clinton’
my bad, I didn’t read your post properly.
i agree with Badger!
given that Trump has given the GOP control of Scotus, they’ll back him even if he turns out to have been murdering babies all this time.
Did he though? He just happens to have been the Republican president in the hot seat when some of the old guard croaked.
He 'achieved' it - but only because he's an empty vessel. Any other Republican president would have had their own ideas about who they might or might not nominate, others did that for Trump. Trump had no idea about Supreme Courts or anything else - the consistent them of his presidency was a Whitehouse that mainly consisted of unfilled senior roles because he had no idea who to fill them with. Hundreds of key Whitehouse posts were vacant during his presidency, for no reason other than he didnt have the first idea who to appoint. Why would he, he's a game show host. Once he'd run out of members of his own family there were still another 3000 jobs to fill.
His political naivety meant a few shrewd operators were able to use him as a door mat - get themselves into the Whitehouse, and use their position to make the appointments that suited them, many of them lifetime appointment, and quietly sidle off without anyone noticing - least of all Trump. Putting themselves and their allies on court benches was their main objective and it worked. For all the fall out and legal strife that has befallen Trump and his cronies nobody is talking about Jones Day who helped get him into the Whitehouse, used him to get themselves in, did what they wanted, took what the wanted, and quietly left. They are now a legal firm who can represent you with in a case with the compelling USP that the judge that is overseeing the case owes their company their job and may even be a former Jones Day employee.
The people who did notice are the Heritage Foundation - and if Trump does get reelected theyre primed to echo what Jones Day did, but do it in every department and every strata of the legislature. Not just primed - they are shouting it from the rooftops. And Trump will, again, willingly, let them walk in over him, do whatever they want, and wipe their shoes on him on the way back out.
😂😂😂
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1796472822388453674
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1796472822388453674
(Edit:Why does it not embed?)
(Edit:Why does it not embed?)
I can see it, but whenever I try to post Twitter posts, all I can see is the link. I assumed nobody else could see them either, but it may be that you can't see the links that you post, but others can.
Here's the one you posted, can you see it?
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1796472822388453674
Edit: All I can see from mine is the link, not the embedded post.
Matt's works for me, but Thols2's doesn't - no idea why
I've seen others say it's better to share twitter.com links, rather than x.com to get them to embed reliably
Matt's didn't originally, but now it does. It's the only one in a while (days maybe) I've seen that works.
Politics Joe have done well there, that is ace.
Anyone listening to the speech. nutter
He must be on some top notch blood pressure and statin meds. For all the odious character that he is, you'd think all the courtroom drama, guilty verdicts and some more juicier trials waiting in the wings. It must be putting his anxiety and stress levels through the roof.
Shame they don't dive him Smartie placebo's!
