In the UK it is OK to take public interest aspects into account when sentencing, the guidelines have wriggle room for that.
It is not just about procedure, there comes a stage in any procedure when a judgment based on numerous factors has to be made.
Not surprised. Judge just told his defence attorney that he's "losing all credibility with the court" in his arguments about Trump potentially violating a gag order.
It's worth noting that Trump's attorney is normally a prosecutor not a defence lawyer
It’s worth noting that Trump’s attorney is normally a prosecutor not a defence lawyer
What level prosecutor though? Local court prosecuting dime bag drug dealers or federal court prosecuting Russian money laundering? My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more. Problem seems to be that Trump's lawyer has annoyed the judge, seems like an dumb mistake to me.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1782777426470191576
Each of trump's attorneys in this case - Blanche, Bove and Necheles - have significant high level prosecutorial experience with a spread of private and public and private experience.
Habba may be present - is she? - but is nothing other than trump's mouthpiece so I'm discounting her.
What level prosecutor though? Local court prosecuting dime bag drug dealers or federal court prosecuting Russian money laundering? My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more. Problem seems to be that Trump’s lawyer has annoyed the judge, seems like an dumb mistake to me.
My thoughts exactly, a hot-shot, high flying prosecutor I'd expect could also turn thier hand to being a good defence lawyer as you'd have to be well versed in both sides, to be effective at either at a high level?
I really, really hope the stress of it all kills him. I know a few on here get all hand wringing and virtuoso about such things but, there are some people whose death would genuinely make the world a better and safer place. Donald and Vlad are up there.
That's a horrible thing to wish for ,no swift exit.
I would rather he had something that left him mute,and spent his last years in absolute misery.
I really, really hope the stress of it all kills him.
I think the problem is, with people like trump, they don't get stressed in the way most people do, I dunno whether it's extreme narcissim, or psychopathy or whatever, but there's no way a 'normal' 77 year old could cope with the stress, unless they were “neurodivergent” in some way, to put it politley!
I'm very amused by Cohen referring to trump as 'MrVonShitzinPants'.
Putting the puerile humour to one side, it would be helpful to the prosecution if they told ALL of their witnesses - definites and possibles - to say nothing in public until the case is over.
Don't want to give the defence any opening.
I hope he just has a long life in utter obscurity, forgotten by the world.
That would be a punishment worse than death for someone like him, I approve.
Trump claims ‘thousands of people’ were stopped from protesting his trial...
...that’s not what reporters on the scene saw.
Thousands of people were turned away from the Courthouse in Lower Manhattan by steel stanchions and police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where I enter and leave. It is an armed camp to keep people away. Maggot Hagerman of The Failing New York Times, falsely reported that I was disappointed with the crowds. No, I’m disappointed with Maggot, and her lack of writing skill, and that some of these many police aren’t being sent to Columbia and NYU to keep the schools open and the students safe. The Legal Scholars call the case a Scam that should never have been brought. I call it Election Interference and a personal hit job by a conflicted and corrupt Judge who shouldn’t be allowed to preside over this Political Hoax. New York Justice is being reduced to ashes, and the World is breathlessly watching. Hopefully, Appellate Courts can save it, and all of the companies that are fleeing to other jurisdictions. They can no longer take a chance on New York Justice!
If nothing else, you have to laugh at his transparent abuse of capital letters in an attempt to make his words appear in a certain way.
He clearly got his degree from the Trump school of wordiology.
I think the capital letters are genius - they enable me to read it in his voice, placing emphasis on certain words.
"The Legal Scholars call the case a Scam that should never have been brought. I call it Election Interference and a personal hit job by a conflicted and corrupt Judge who shouldn’t be allowed to preside over this Political Hoax."
I can just hear his Voice as I Read it.
Erm - isn’t he under a gag order??
My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more.
In the US system, prosecutors are publicly elected to the state, and rarely do any actually court work, hiring others to do that for them. Bragg isn't in the court room for instance. Blanche (Trumps lawyer) was a prosecutor working with Bragg, then joined a Wall St firm (natch) and then essentially moved to Florida to take on Trump as his client.
He's done this work - defence lawyer in an actual court case, just the once before
@theotherjonv - I saw what you did there...
Supreme Court immunity from prosecution hearing https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-weighs-trumps-bid-immunity-prosecution-2024-04-25/
Rudy Giuliani, and 17 others, charged in Arizona. Donald Trump named as an unindicted co-conspirator https://www.reuters.com/world/us/grand-jury-indicts-18-alleged-arizona-fake-elector-scheme-re-elect-trump-2024-04-24/
What's the probability that SCOTUS will decide (with some flowery words about the responsibility of Presidents) that generally speaking POTUS isn't above the law, but in this very specific case, this very specific Ex-pres somehow will be?
I don't think that even this scotus would be that idiotic.
All they are going to do is delay the trials so that if trump wins they will go away, and if he loses the election it won't matter as he will likely be dead by the time of the next one
well, given Roe vs Wade, their record thus far isn't sparkly. I think you're right, I think they'll kick it as far past November as they can in the hope that Trump will get so roundly defeated that the whole thing becomes moot, or like you say; he dies while they dither.
Looks like Trump has been handed down a contempt of court judgement for violating the terms of the gag order in the hush money trial. Unfortunately it's only a $9000 dollar fine but he has been threatened with jail time if he "wilfully" breaches it again.
But more importantly, charged with an offence that means he's now breached the terms for bail on all the other cases he's charged with.
I expect that none of the other judges will act on it. They don’t have the balls to do it. Any normal citizen would already be in jail already. 🤷♂️
Evidence in court is not looking good for ol' Trumpy tho his lawyers seem to be doing a decent job of attacking witnesses.
Given how far Biden has shoved his head up Netanyahu's arse with his handling of the war/protests I think trump has a good chance of becoming president this year, its bidens presidency to lose....and he's doing a good job of it.
Oh Lando, I'm conflicted...
Trump claims ‘thousands of people’ were stopped from protesting his trial
In truth they were - thousands of his supporters were prevented from gathering outside the courthouse by them simply failing to give enough of a **** or simply just having anything else to do. Theres going to be a trump court case happening somewhere most days, most weeks, all year. Why turn up to support or protest today instead of yesterday or tomorrow or next week or next month?
Judge losing patience and Secret Service getting prepared....
BBC News - Trump trial live: Judge warns the former president risks jail over gag order violations - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68955286
Ten instances of contempt of court...and counting...
No normal person would be allowed to get away with that, and not get at least a few days in jail for their insolence.
Reading between the lines I think the Judge(s) are making a huge point of being very lenient with him to ensure there's no political comeback from this...there's absolutley no way he can say he's been treated unfairly...it stinks but I understand the rationale.
If Trump is thrown in jail for contempt, will that delay this trial or will it carry on in his absence?
Or will he just be jailed overnight/outside court appearance time?
If Trump is thrown in jail for contempt, will that delay this trial or will it carry on in his absence?
Or will he just be jailed overnight/outside court appearance time?
You can still go to court in the US if your are in jail..it just means you'll be in shackles and an orange jump-suit for your hearing. Same as anyone else who can't pay bond for unpaid speeding fines or whatever.
It's impossible for him to argue he's being treated unfairly, if anything, he's being treated a million times better than the average man.
No normal person would be allowed to get away with that, and not get at least a few days in jail for their insolence.
Anyone who can be a leader of a country is not a normal person.
Reading between the lines I think the Judge(s) are making a huge point of being very lenient with him to ensure there’s no political comeback from this…
If the judge(s) thinks he should not have a political comeback then the judge(s) can resign, and should not consider themselves as judge(s). i.e. if they cannot be impartial or politically motivated then the judge(s) are just as flaw the person being judged.
there’s absolutley no way he can say he’s been treated unfairly…it stinks but I understand the rationale.
The jury will have to decide and the lawyers will be very rich; and it's all political.
It’s impossible for him to argue he’s being treated unfairly, if anything, he’s being treated a million times better than the average man.
If he is treated a million times better than the average man, the system is corrupted and the judge(s) are unfit.
Trump actually wants it, I think. Playing the martyr card and promising vengeance is pretty much his entire campaign.
I pity the prison officer who’s tasked with asking trump to bend over and spread his cheeks
I pity the prison officer who’s tasked with asking trump to bend over and spread his cheeks
I would like to see them jail a former President.
Wouldn't we all....
I would like to see them jail a former President.
I thought you were a fan. What has he done to upset you? 🙂
I thought you were a fan. What has he done to upset you? 🙂
You need to read it in a slightly different way as a challenge. i.e. a dare.
Anyone is better than an evil Biden who is trying to start a WWIII before he gets 6 feet under.
Trump might like to grab the "cat" but he ain't trying to dominate the world by force in the name of peace.
