Because I know how the media operate, they lie to further their agenda (on all sides).
I'd counter with why do you believe that all the things that have been said about him are true? Why do you give the media a free pass when you also don't know the context?
We know enough context to be able to say with certainty that they guy was a vile racist hard right propagandist
Why do you give the media a free pass when you also don't know the context?
Why don't you give us the context that you say exonerates him?
I'd counter with why do you believe that all the things that have been said about him are true?
I don't. I only believe things he is recorded as saying, which no one disputes.
Why do you give the media a free pass when you also don't know the context?
I don't give the media a free pass. This is not about the media other than them reporting what he said. I'm not quoting any media commentary or spin, just things Charlie Kirk ACTUALLY SAID. Are you disputing that he said them? If you accept that he did, you need justify why those quotes are acceptable. You say it's about context. So either provide the context which justifies them or admit you think they are OK even though you don't know the context.
I see you’re all debating with billybonghhits again, ignore him.
Here’s Jello of Dead Kennedys laying out exactly who Kirk was
Maybe the Beeb should consider it's coverage of our own wannabe Trump against this excellent summary of the outcome if you don't
BBC News - Trump promised retribution - how far will he go? - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q74pxx871o
I think the thumbnail of this post will be 'BruceWee owns deluded Charlie Kirk fanboy!!'
Spot on. A further aspect of the “context” charade is that for every fanboy who justifies his bigotry with reams of fake “context” there will be 1000 rednecks who read the “black people are bad” headline and respond “right on”, or make one of those silly noises that Americans use to express approval.
We know enough context to be able to say with certainty that they guy was a vile racist hard right propagandist
There is enough evidence out there to confidently agree with this.
The argument, that he would give others opportunity to debate him is again a smoke screen; yes he debated with unprepared college kids, but he prepared and followed his own script whilst they basically winged it. Its worth looking at his debates at Oxford/Cambridge where he went up against young people skilled at debating who had also prepared .. they made him look silly, and every bit the vile racist hard right propagandist he was.
He didn`t deserve to be murdered for his faults as a person. Unfortunately it seems his death is being twisted by his so called colleagues into something sinister that I feel will leave an even worse legacy than his life has.
Just been watching YouTube where Trump trolls Khan. Imagine during the height of the cold war Reagan spent 90% of his time critisiing Ken Livingstone.
Imagine when Reagan was the worst US president you could conceive of !!
Imagine when Reagan was the worst US president you could conceive of !!
He was never the worst, which is not to say I'm a fan of his, just that others were worse. Richard Nixon was quite a competent president in many ways, but was paranoid and dishonest. However, if you go back to the 19th century, there were some truly terrible presidents, Reagan was a paragon in comparison. James Buchanan, who basically stumbled into the Civil War, was utterly disastrous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan#Legacy
Similarly, Andrew Johnson was far, far worse than Reagan ever was:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson#Historical_reputation_and_legacy
Sadly, Trump may soon knock out all other contenders and go down in the history books as the unchallenged worst ever president. Still, he has made it easy to forget how bad the George W. Bush years were.
Trump is just making the presidency, and by default the USA, a laughing stock. And worse still - making the USA more vulnerable than now since the end of the 2nd world war.
He has made adversaries of close allies, and made the USA look weak and incompetent to traditional enemies.
Every government dept is headed by someone unqualified to do so. And more worrying - by someone as stupid, or even stupider, than himself. Hegseth for example. He is calling 800 top military leaders etc to a meeting to apparently tell them about the new `warrior ethos` ... bonkers! what better opportunity would an enemy of USA have to get rid of 801 of the top USA military leadership in a strike.
I'm wondering if Portland being the next city to see troops is raising the anti a bit too far. Seem to remember some long running protests there a few years back, where the protesters were pretty well organised, if there's pushback how much force will the NG use?
Seem to remember some long running protests there a few years back, where the protesters were pretty well organised
I thought they were mean to be anarchists, by definition, not organized.
Edited cos wrong link andcouldn't delete. Sorry it's a Faceache link.
Last night's US HIGNFY had interesting points to make about lack of qualifications and Trump's embarrassing idiocy:
I thought they were mean to be anarchists, by definition, not organized.
Of course anarchists can be organised, in fact they have to be to live in co-operatively as there will be no government or political institutions. Anarchists want no government ruling over them, they don't want to live in a state of chaos.
Golf ranks 1 below bed lice for enjoyment for me but I'd like to see his orange dictatorship's reaction to a sound beating from Europe.
Golf ranks 1 below bed lice for enjoyment for me but I'd like to see his orange dictatorship's reaction to a sound beating from Europe.
I'm a casual viewer of golf, but the American fans behaviour was surely emboldened by Trump type arrogance and delusion.
I've only seen the clip of McIlroys wife being hit by a beer can. You can see the bloke with her hoping McIlroy doesn't find out while the idiot was still in punching range.
What is this ramblng crap, I need subtitles 🤔
So Trump & Blair working together who’d of thought it ?
Well actually makes lots of sense. A nut job who started a war a few years back because God told him to, now joining up with 2 other nut jobs. What possibly could go wrong ?
Tony Blair is just so sinister looking. He has that sharks smile about him - a big smile that hides a bigger bite.
Definitely got the Richard Branson and Elon Musk wrong-un vibe about him ..
So Trump & Blair working together who’d of thought it ?
Every night I go to sleep hoping that Trump drops dead. Every morning I wake up and find he’s got worse. Make it stop, mummy !!!
I mean, even by his own crazy standards, WTAF!?
BBC News - US cities should be military training grounds, Trump tells generals
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgq044n72po
It looks like Trump is challenging the States that don't "support him" to back down from a civil war that he's instigating with them. A dangerous game of chicken? Preparing to hold onto power beyond 2028?
It is the equivalent of the US cops screaming stop resisting arrest at the black youth they are beating, just scaled up to a national political level.
National Guard arriving in Chicago, after the city (along with Portland) has had great fun with ICE by refusing to serve them food or use toilets. The ultimate in passive aggressive behaviour! Leaders in both cities calling for peaceful protest, despite the blatant lies being told about the woman getting shot in Chicago.
Does feel like Trump is trying to provoke a crisis to justify cancelling mid-terms and clinging to power. I was hoping I was overestimating that risk when we first discussed it, but it just looks more and more like a powder keg ready to blow.
Bondi's Senate testimony didn't get much coverage over here, the Beeb version is quite tame, but some of the video put out by pro Democrat channels is really damming. She was like a cornered rat, which is probably why they are all getting more desperate.
BBC News - Five takeaways from Pam Bondi's tense, partisan Senate hearing
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75qpl70xvzo
I mean, there's absolutely nothing that he's doing that isn't either exactly what he said was going to do, or that wasn't in the Project 2025 blueprint that kept getting dismissed as liberal alarmism. None of this should come as a surprise to anyone that's had even a passing interest in US politics over the last few years
Does anyone who was still claiming doing a deal with fascists was the sensible option a month or two ago now see that enabling fascism was/is the worst option for the world?
Yup - no suprise. The suprise will be if the mid terms still go ahead in any meaningful way.
Its obvious he is in poor health and his grasp of reality is slipping more and more. How long will his backers be able to prop him up? Its beginning to resemble USSR and Brezhnev. Or will they simply get Vance in place? Its astonishing watching how the US is just falling apart in front of our eyes
They will back him as long as he can help them achieve dominance over the entire world, probably forever, if he (Trump) does not deviate from their plan. To do this they need him to weaken internal and external opposition. Whether he (Trump) can understand the reality is irrelevant, so long as the reality is theirs (backers).How long will his backers be able to prop him up?
Stephen Miller saying the quiet bit out loud, then being told to shut up immediately in his earpiece.
The Nobel prizes are being announced.... Please, for all that's holy, no.
Scroll down for nominations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nobel_Peace_Prize#cite_note-51
Tango Fascist AND Keto Tech-Bro????
What in the actual FSCK????!!!!
There is a long list of people who are allowed to nominate folk for these, which includes lots of batshit academics and assorted other arselickers.
No 31... 'Musk nominated' by some crazy Slovenian geezer. Deary, deary me.
Kind of funny. If Trump wins it will simply consign the prize to the dustbin of irrelevancies. If it's not already there.
Seeing clips on American/Democrat chat supposedly of a senior Oregon National Guard officer saying that if they are mobilised their role is to protect the Portland protesters.
Which makes it seem like there could be two states National Guard facing off.
it will simply consign the prize to the dustbin of irrelevancies. If it's not already there.
That ship sailed a long time ago when Henry Kissinger, a man who was directly responsible for the saturation bombing of Vietnam and Cambodia in which hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died, and which was the greatest act of terrorism in history, was in 1973 awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for, yup, you've got it......."Restoring Peace in Vietnam"
I can only console myself that if he does win, I can go down to the center of Oslo and hold up a rude sign. With, I imagine, a lot of other people.
Meanwhile Greta Thunburg has been nominated about 5 times, from 2019-2023 but not been awarded it, though im sure many would agree she deserves such recognition.
I would give it to Greta on the basis of how much it'll annoy the man baby
If Greta gets it he'll merely be apoplectic, give it Musk, his reaction will be quite something to witness
If Trump wins it, especially with the situation in middle east, the West has come full circle.
The next bloke that wants it will be his pal that proposed giving him a riviera or estate with Blair as the minor overlord ...
If Greta gets it
why would Greta get it, what peace has she instigated ?
Timing ....
strong push by Trump to close the Israel / Palestine ceasefire
Last Nobel winner announced October 13th...
"Hostages should be released on Monday or Tuesday" - Trump.
And Monday is the 13th...
What a ****.
Also, Greta: Well... She's tried to raise awareness of climate change around the world. Tried to raise awareness of what looks a lot like war crimes/genocide in Gaza. Trump _seems_ to want to fsck the planet and is happy to continue the slaughter of civilians in Gaza.
If Greta gets itwhy would Greta get it, what peace has she instigated ?
If you accept that Donald Trump has been nominated and is therefore being considered for an award which recognises a person's "outstanding contribution to peace", then that question really doesn't need to be asked.
A better question would be "why not?"
We are talking peace, not climate change. If anything Gretas involvement has just highlighted how much propaganda comes from the Palastinian side and has made her look stupider than she clearly already is.
happy to continue the slaughter of civilians in Gaza.
So that's why the useful idiot has been pushing for a peace deal? That's some strange logic you have.
Genocide requires intent which there is ample evidence of there not being, war crimes however are occuring on both sides but no one seems to complain about the Hamas ones, which are more plentiful and evident.
Isn’t the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize awarded in recognition of activities undertaken prior to 2025. Top trolling would be to award it to Joe Biden.
Top trolling would be to award it to Joe Biden.
I see 'The January 6th Committee' is on the list of nominees 🙂
We are talking peace, not climate change. If anything Gretas involvement has just highlighted how much propaganda comes from the Palastinian side and has made her look stupider than she clearly already is.
Not really clear what you are gibbering about. Greta used her public profile to bring attention to the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. No propaganda involved. She hasn't looked stupid, only brave and principled.
So that's why the useful idiot has been pushing for a peace deal?
Trump has been pushing for a peace deal to serve his bizarre fixation on a Nobel prize (Obama living rent free in his head) and as part of a real estate project.
Genocide requires intent which there is ample evidence of there not being
Apart from clear statements of intent from government ministers, supported by the PM.
war crimes however are occuring on both sides but no one seems to complain about the Hamas ones, which are more plentiful and evident.
Really? How many hospitals have Hamas bombed? How many aid queues have they shot up? How many ambulances have they targeted? How many doctors have they kidnapped and tortured? How many tens of thousands of civilians have they killed? Try to think before you type - it's not Greta that's looking stupid.
Well, I guess Trump will get (demand) the Nobel peace prize now after seeing the news just now.
P/S: if he is not awarded, tariff will go up or worst case scenario send his dogs of war out ...
Genocide requires intent which there is ample evidence of there not being
I think the UN disagree with you
sounds like od all people, it was Tony Blair who was instrumental in pushing the deal through would be somewhat ironic if he were to get a nobel prize
of course Trump would not like that!
As I understand it the Nobel Peace prize nominations closed in January of this year so neither Greta nor Donald are eligible for this years prize.
Personally I wouldn't give Donald the plastic toy out of a cereal box
Genocide requires intent which there is ample evidence of there not being
Oh this is brilliant......no genocide in Gaza because it wasn't the intention of far-right Israeli government!
You know how it is.......a war kicks off and everything at first is fine and you are just slaughtering tens of thousands of people, but then things to get out of hand and you start murdering thousands of children, and doctors, and paramedics, and humanitarian aid workers, and journalists who might report what you are doing, and then you destroy people's homes, and their schools and universities, and anything that gives their society any identity and cohesion, and then you starve them, and you threaten them with exile, and you deny that there is a country called Palestine, it doesn't exist, and then you finally deny that there is even a Palestinian people, they are just Arabs, and they have no right to be on their own land.
But wait, it's not genocide because there's no "intention'", it's just that things got out of hand and beyond our control, honest guv......we totally respect the Palestinian people and wouldn't dream of destroying their society.
We are talking peace, not climate change. If anything Gretas involvement has just highlighted how much propaganda comes from the Palastinian side and has made her look stupider than she clearly already is.
Not really clear what you are gibbering about. Greta used her public profile to bring attention to the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. No propaganda involved. She hasn't looked stupid, only brave and principled.
I doubt even gravedigger (does he bury slain Palestinian medics?) has a clue what he gibbers about, he’s getting paid for every post he makes on social media by his masters.
Every night I go to sleep hoping that Trump drops dead. Every morning I wake up and find he’s got worse. Make it stop, mummy !!!
Not quite there yet, but when I get up and sort breakfast, then sit down and open up Flipboard, I do feel an existential dread at not seeing a report that Diaper Don had suffered a stroke during the night, and was likely to spend the rest of his life in a coma.
Am I a bad man?
What is this ramblng crap, I need subtitles
Well, most of what’s written by senior Republicans always needs subtitles, as very little makes any real sense.
I can only console myself that if he does win, I can go down to the center of Oslo and hold up a rude sign. With, I imagine, a lot of other people.
Well, there was a nice lady set quite the precedent standing next to a copper outside one of his Scottish golf courses.
I hesitate to post the photo in case I get a finger wagging email, but I did see it on various news sources.
Well, there was a nice lady set quite the precedent standing next to a copper outside one of his Scottish golf courses.
That was Janey Godley, a Scottish comedy legend. Rest in sweary peace Janey.
Frank, get the door!
I read the following quote attributed to Trump while speaking to Benjamin Netanyahu about the peace deal, and for a few moments, it raised my estimation of him:
“I don’t know why you’re always so ****ing negative. This is a win. Take it.”
Then I thought that's probably exactly what they want, and imagined it in his voice, and my estimation was restored.
Genocide requires intent which there is ample evidence of there not being, war crimes however are occuring on both sides but no one seems to complain about the Hamas ones, which are more plentiful and evident.
60,000+ Palestinians killed, of whom even the Israelis can't claim more than about 8,000 were 'fighters'. All in Gaza - their own country.
Versus 1,200 Israelis killed on Oct 7th and around 800 military personnel since. All in Gaza, not Israel.
The numbers speak for themselves.
And that's before we get into targeting of hospitals, opening fire on food queues and shooting at UN and other NGO aid staff.
Donald Trump loses out on Nobel Peace Prize 2025 to María Corina Machado https://share.google/GHQx3vH47RJqvyzMn
I can picture the mighty orange one's tantrum now.
From the BBC:
Nobel Committee chose politics over peace
12:01The White House's communications director says the "Nobel Committee proved they place politics over peace" in response to the announcement of the winner.
In a post on X, Steven Cheung writes that US President Donald Trump "will continue making peace deals, ending wars, and saving lives".
The president "has the heart of a humanitarian, and there will never be anyone like him who can move mountains with the sheer force of his will".
Trump had been gunning to win the award, and many of his supporters campaigned alongside him, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
If Donald Trump has the heart of a humanitarian, it's one that's sitting in a jar on his mantlepiece, or in his fridge.
Truth Social never disappoints.
With all the grace of a freshly nipped off turd...
https://truthsocial.com/@libdisrupter/posts/115349811548214730
I can picture the mighty orange one's tantrum now.
The committee seem to be trolling him:
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1976610702078177531
Here’s a good write up on “Mother Jones” regarding who exactly is “Stephen Miller”,
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/stephen-miller-is-just-like-donald-trump-but-competent/
And here’s Timothy Snyder discussing Miller, only 8mins and well worth a watch, as is everything Snyder speaks about
Looks like Monday will trigger a stock sell off / short trade thanks to the dim witted loudmouth who in all honesty will have forgotten about tariffs again.
Despicable human
Trump's tariff flip-flops are a feature, not a bug. A huge amount of short positions will have been opened just prior to him announcing the extra tariffs. Wait for stock market to dive, close the short positions and pocket 9 figure sums, then TACO happens and everything goes back to "normal" for a bit.
You know how it is.......a war kicks off and everything at first is fine and you are just slaughtering tens of thousands of people, but then things to get out of hand and you start murdering thousands of children, and doctors, and paramedics, and humanitarian aid workers, and journalists who might report what you are doing, and then you destroy people's homes, and their schools and universities, and anything that gives their society any identity and cohesion, and then you starve them, and you threaten them with exile, and you deny that there is a country called Palestine, it doesn't exist, and then you finally deny that there is even a Palestinian people, they are just Arabs, and they have no right to be on their own land.
But wait, it's not genocide because there's no "intention'", it's just that things got out of hand and beyond our control, honest guv......we totally respect the Palestinian people and wouldn't dream of destroying their society.
R4 World at One just had a war crimes investigator on
he was basically saying that most the above is not unusual in many wars
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm
proving it as genocide in a court is Indeed very hard and we know that Israel is not going to share their evidence of war crimes committed by the government or any of its soldiers
R4 World at One just had a war crimes investigator on he was basically saying that most the above is not unusual in many wars
Who was this war crimes investigator? Your link doesn't provide any clues and saying what has happened in Gaza is just typical of many wars is very much in line with the Israeli government's position.
It's really not difficult to see that what has happened in Gaza over the last two years is very different to what happens in most contemporary wars. And it's very easy to make a comparison with another very nasty and brutal war going on right now - the Russian Ukraine War.
In two years 20,000 children have been killed in Gaza (many shot by snipers), in the Ukraine over a three year period it appears to be less than 700 children. More journalists have been killed in Gaza than any other conflict.
Over 1,700 medical staff have been killed Gaza (often by very direct targeting) I don't know the figures for the Russian Ukraine war but I can't imagine they are even vaguely similar. Most of the hospitals have been destroyed and the ones that haven't are only partially functioning, how many hospitals have been destroyed in Ukraine and Russia?
Universities have been been destroyed by detonating explosions so that they were instantly reduced to rubble, how many universities in Ukraine and Russia have been destroyed through controlled explosions?
Starvation of civilians, including children, has been used as a deliberate weapon of war in Gaza, where is the evidence of either side doing that in the Ukraine Russian war?
And so it goes on. I would say the "war", as some people call the genocide occuring in Gaza, is actually not very typical of most wars at all.