This is the Project 2025 website. Trump tried to distance himself from them during the campaign because many of their ideas are extremely unpopular. How much they will succeed in getting done is anyone's guess, Trump will throw them under the bus if he thinks they are a liability to him.
I’m surprised how few people seem aware of this and its contents.
The Dems heavily focused on it but as it turns out, cost of living overruled that with voters. With a heavy dose of immigration rhetoric thrown in of course.
I have to say, I get it, lofty ideals don't put food on the table, I'm not trying to dismiss that reality but thinking Trump will solve the problem... I do have issues with that. Lol
I think Project 2025 should be chilling to any American but evidently it isn't. It's like their 'roided up Britannia Unchained basically.
This is the Project 2025 website. Trump tried to distance himself from them during the campaign because many of their ideas are extremely unpopular. How much they will succeed in getting done is anyone’s guess, Trump will throw them under the bus if he thinks they are a liability to him.]
He's done more than distance himself - he was actively encouraging his rallies to boo them (whatever the **** he thought that is supposed to achieve)
The thing Musk and Project 2025 have in common is they have ideas of their own they want to achieve and see Trump as a vehicle to achieving that because Trump has no ideas of his own. He has nothing he wants to do as President. He just wants to be President - he's an empty vessel and they both think they can use him to their own ends.
They join a very long line of people had the same idea last time round. Each one in turn thinking that it would all be different when they try to work with Trump because they are smart in ways that the last guy wasn't. However everything Trump touches dies.
I reckon Elon will be lining himself up to run for president…..
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A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process. A tradition, of course, that Trump didn't carry out when Biden won, as Trump, unlike Biden, doesn't actually give a shit about his country.
How you can look at Harris, conceding defeat, calling trump to congratulate him etc... then look back to Trump's attempts to defy the very democracy that he says he loves and think, "yeah, the Dems are DEFINITELY the bad guys here" if beyond me. Utter madness.
The cult of Brexit, not needing facts or credibility, Judy belief and simply personified in orange painted flesh this time and in another country.
If his other actions also drive inflation up, after it being such a huge factor in his campaign, it could become an absolute Gordian knot of unintended consequences and very public arguments.
He will blame someone else for everything that goes badly and a large percentage of his supporters will believe every word
He will blame someone else for everything that goes badly and a large percentage of his supporters will believe every word
Yep, cult leader in chief, even so, the electorate won't treat him (or whoever replaces him in the next 4 years?) kindly at the ballot box in '28.
He's made some absolutely huge promises that even a government based upon meritocracy would find hard to achieve. Fair to say his government is based upon unquestioning loyalty, well, until he fires them and they go public with their grievances. Musk, im looking at you. 🙂
A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process.
Biden should’ve hoofed him in the nuts, then pardoned himself
Biden should’ve hoofed him in the nuts, then pardoned himself
Lol, that mate me laugh. As long as he hoofed him in the nuts, officially, he'd have been fine as you say.
I bet it took ages. Old people do everything at half speed.
As did that. 🙂
Trump's (and Musks...) first set back. I wonder if it's a sign of things to come?
Having hundreds of billions of dollars may be enough to purchase a social media company and land an all-access pass to the president-elect’s inner circle, but the US Senate still does what the Senate wants.
Florida Senator Rick Scott was Elon Musk’s endorsed candidate for Republican Senate majority leader – and, by implication, Donald Trump’s preference. But in secret ballot voting, the Republicans in the chamber quickly opted for a more traditional pick, South Dakota Senator John Thune.
Thune had served as the second-ranking Senate Republican for four years – plenty of time to win over his conservative colleagues in what is, essentially, a popularity contest. Scott, on the other hand, was more of a firebrand – who promised the kind of confrontational conservativism that is more typical in the House of Representatives.
In the end, the Senate – typically regarded as the more genteel congressional body – opted for the smooth-talking South Dakotan.
It represents a bit of a setback for Trump and his team, who likely would have preferred a more aggressive partisan in the top spot, ready to discard Senate traditions and procedures to advance his agenda. The more vocal of Trump’s Maga faithful are sure to complain.
Thune, however, is an talented legislative operator. Like his predecessor, Mitch McConnell, he may move slowly but he knows the levers to pull in the Senate to get results.
had to google that very helpful response.
are you saying he isnt elgible? i read it as if he needed to be a resident for 14 years, which i presume he is?
anyway i reckon thats his game plan
i read it as if he needed to be a resident for 14 years, which i presume he is?
No. Someone need to be US born, and also at least 14 years resident. It's not either, it's both.
Is the acronym for Musk’s “department” DOGE?
Will it be pronounced Dodgy?
Some of Trump’s nominations sound like very bad news for Gaza.
Notwithstanding @ernielynch ‘s post earlier on about Biden’s willingness to supply weapons
Sounds a bit fascisty to me.
Really? No! Can’t believe you mean that!
Watching Elonia Musk as Diaper Don’s new First Lady is a truly unedifying spectacle.
What America doesn’t realise yet is that removing all those immigrants is not only going to be almost impossible, as there’s no country going to be willing to take them back, but the damage to America’s food supply will be enormous; it will be impossible to replace them! America doesn’t have a labour shortage among actual registered Americans, there’s just nobody who can replace all those workers doing jobs that most Americans wouldn’t do anyway.
Inflation will start to rise, prices will rise, especially when the taxes on imported goods start to bite, and Americans will realise what FAAFO means.
Bit like Brexit then?
Looks like Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General
pothead
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Looks like Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General
Alledged child sex trafficker. Allegedly. Which he Denies I should add.
This was shared by a friend on FB, I think it will fall apart before it gets as fast as he speculated,but it's a sobering thought
Trump says he's going to deport 20,000,000 people from the US.
Seems like he's serious.
I think he's serious about it, given that the guy he plans to put in charge is pretty damn serious about it.
Of course, a lot of you are still in denial. Oh, c'mon, Jim, he won't really do that, you tell me.
I saw an interview with a Latino fellow who came here illegally, got the amnesty from Reagan, and supports for Trump because reasons and he's pretty sure Trump not only won't deport him, Trump won't deport all his illegal friends and relatives because they're "family orientated" and that would be "unfair."
Donald Trump, a man known for his ... fairness.
I think some of you people might be on some really good drugs.
Now, if it was just one guy, you could call him a deluded nut and move on. But it's not. It's not just one guy. Latinos went overwhelmingly for Trump and they're on TV right now telling you why.
Don't ask me why. I don't know. I can't explain it why the chickens decided to vote for Mrs. Tweedy.
I can't.
But, I think Trump is going to do it.
I think Trump is going to deport 20,000,000 people.
Or least, I think Trump THINKS Trump is going to do it. He's sure talking like he intends to do it. His supporters sure want him to do it. He's announcing the Reich Ministers he intends to appoint to his administration and THOSE people sure as hell intend to do it.
Whether or not they'll succeed, they're for damn sure going to try.
And I don't know why anyone, no matter what kind of weed they're smoking, would believe anything else at this point in history.
So Trump is going to try and deport millions of people.
He's going to have to build facilities to concentrate the immigrants so they can be "processed."
He going to need some sort of force to round up millions of people on a national scale, to seek them out, to find them, to arrests them, detain them, and transport them securely to the camps. That's not just armed goons, that's organization, command and control, communications, intelligence, supply, logistics, training. That's a quasi military slash secret police operation with extra judicial powers. There's no other way to do it.
Those concentration points, those camps let's call 'em, will need massive infrastructure, to manage and process that population, they'll need thousands of guards, security systems, transportation systems, and so on. They'll need people to train the guards and the security personnel, that whole military/law enforcement training apparatus. Drone pilots. Camera operators. Information Technology types. Cooks. Laundry. Supply. Hell, they might even make a pretense of legal review, so you're going to need lawyers and administrators and doctors and social workers and preachers and so on. We're talking MILLIONS of deportees, this an enormous undertaking. Several orders magnitude beyond anything tried before.
AND, you're going to have to secure the border to keep MORE immigrants from getting in, otherwise this is just jerking off and eventually voters are going to figure out they're getting hoodwinked.
And if you do actually deport these people, well, then you need some sort of downrange process, pilots, aircrew, ground crew, bus drivers, mechanics, fuel, specialized guards for that part of the operation (guy who guards a fence requires way different training and equipage than a guy guarding people on an airplane, for example), you need infrastructure in foreign countries. And so on.
How's he going to pay for it, you ask?
Who cares?
They'll find the money. There's always money to build this sort of thing. Hell, they'll have an enormous labor pool just sitting there, one they can MAKE work for free -- and don't think some smart guy (cough Stephan Miller cough) won't figure that out pretty damn fast.
Yeah, they're going to do it.
Bet on it.
They might only deport a million people, but they're going to do it.
But here's the real question: Once he deports those people, then what?
Those concentration camps, that military force used to round up undesirables, and that processing infrastructure will still exist.
So, tell me, what do you think Republicans will do with it?
MoreCashThanDash
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This was shared by a friend on FB, I think it will fall apart before it gets as fast as he speculated,but it’s a sobering thought
Trump told a reporter a day or so back, "a promise mate is a promise kept."
Whoever wrote that is right, Trump is absolutely going to try to deport millions of people. The question is, will he succeed, or rather, how many does he deport before there is some sort if push back. That push back will be against the government mind you... so that might not go well.
Know about segment of the private sector that has had it's shares rocket since his win? The companies that run the private prison systems over there. They are banking on him keeping his promises too.
I’m undecided on how this Trump term will go. Not that I think it will be good. He has no like of, nor allegiance to the P25 nut jobs. There were a lot of useful people to get him elected/out of jail, but the only thing he cares about is himself. Anyone who thinks they can manipulate him will soon find themselves on the outside.
What’s the deal with this fire? It’s like a sodding raptor engine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l735ewz8o.amp
Trump is absolutely going to try to deport millions of people.
I am puzzled how anyone can feel certain about that. I have no idea whether he will try or not but I do know that anything he says should be treated with scepticism.
I am not sure that anything Trump says should be treated seriously when so much of it is clearly nonsense.
Did deportation of illegal migrants not actually fall during Trump's first term of office, despite all his rhetoric? I believe that Barack Obama deported almost twice as many illegal immigrants (2.9 million) in his first term than Trump managed to in his first term.
Maybe he will give it a good go this time, dunno, but I would frankly be surprised if he put much effort into it. I don't know how much the US economy would benefit from it and whether US citizens would be greatly interested in any employment opportunities it might create.
I get the impression that generally speaking Trump supporters are not massively bothered if he gives a bullshit explanation as to why he hasn't delivered on a promise. If the US economy does reasonably well, and I am not yet convinced that it will nosedive under Trump, then it won't be much of an issue.
Although I don't take sufficient interest in US politics to know whether I might be completely off the mark.
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What’s the deal with this fire? It’s like a sodding raptor engine.
Hell fire, Satan knows trump is good for business.
(Turns out Satan's playing the long game and is heavily into fossil fuels.)
Alledged child sex trafficker. Allegedly. Which he Denies I should add.
Denies .... but also boasted about. So that kind of denial.
Denies …. but also boasted about. So that kind of denial.
Yeah, that's the one.
These ****ers will be in and out of the revolving door in no time. The Orange Shitgibbon on the other hand makes Al Capone and the Teflon Don look like corner shop thieves.
That joke about him shooting someone on 42nd St / 5th Avenue / Dum**** Blvd and getting away with it, wasn’t a joke.
A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process. A tradition, of course, that Trump didn’t carry out when Biden won, as Trump, unlike Biden, doesn’t actually give a shit about his country.
According to R4 expert last night the Orange baby didn't sign the usual government handover agreement which is traditionally put in place. This is the plan for all those involved in government to hand over projects, data, contacts, meeting schedules etc. It's the nuts and bolts of running government. Really rather worrying.
UK - "we've had enough of experts"
USA - "hold my beer"
Obama holds the record for deportations per term. Biden is on track to match DT1's number.
The worrying thing is talk of going for the "Sanctuary Cities". That's civil war stuff.
And just to think Moscow Musk paid $44billion for this win and the revolving door will be spinning off its bearings after January...
Interesting interview on R4 PM yesterday re Musk firing people and what happens when financial stuff like healthcare, pensions and other state stuff stops working....
Short term I see big surge in stock market, a good time to be a speculator, Trump will say he's a genius
Inflation will continue to fall, Trump will say he's a genius
Israel will wind down war, Palestine is now rubble anyway the Israel hawks he's appointed as ambassador & defense will allow anexation of West Bank, Trump will say he's a genius,
Ukraine will be forced to concede territory to Russia and a buffer zone, putin will use time to rebuild like he did last time. Trump will say he's a genius.
Cuts to government will initially look great, Trump will say he's a genius (and he'll give Musk credit)
Tarrifs will not be as dramatic but still kick off retaliation and cause inflation, Trump will still say he's a genius and blame the Fed
Pogroms to remove undocumented migrants will be very ugly but Trump will say he's a genius and blame immigrants
RFK Jr will propose lots of batshit medical nonsense, Trump will say he's a genius
Long term
Stocks will crash at some point, Trump will blame the Fed
A backlash to Israeli action in the middle East will result in a terror attack/flare ups with Iran Trump will blame his staff/ muslims
Ukraine will simmer along as it did last time, at some point Putin will die and those peepee tapes will come out, Trump will cry fake news
Cuts to services in a country without a decent safety net will be very unpopular, Trump will blame Musk
Trump will try and annoint one of his offspring as the heir apparent.
Gaetz is a loyalty test for the Republican vote.
Cuts to government will initially look great, Trump will say he’s a genius (and he’ll give Musk credit)
Trump is temperamentally incapable of giving any credit to anyone about anything that he thinks he should be praised for. The combination of Trump Musk and Rasmaswamy in a room together will cause all three's egos to self-immolate. I predicate that Ramaswamy will go first, he'll last months; outmaneuvered by Musk, followed by Musk who'll last maybe a little longer but I think will be gone in 6 months tops, and both will become predominately anti-Trump.
The worrying thing is talk of going for the “Sanctuary Cities”. That’s civil war stuff.
And if the claims made in the link below, concerning the logistic and economic costs, are more or less correct (I appreciate that the source is not unbiased) a very public row with the sanctuary cities, which the Trump administration conveniently fails to win, will give them the perfect excuse to ditch a totally impractical and very costly policy whilst blaming others for the failures.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation
Gaetz is a loyalty test for the Republican vote.
Gaetz is a timely reminder for everyone, Republicans included, that a DJT presidency is about one thing only; DJT and whats best for him. At least he's not pretending to want to govern properly.
Oh dear, it seems that "the special relationship" might be under strain:
Elon Musk Has Gone To War With The UK Government Again
I think it is time for David Lammy to dazzle us all again with his grovelling skills.
Gaetz is a timely reminder for everyone, Republicans included, that a DJT presidency is about one thing only; DJT and whats best for him. At least he’s not pretending to want to govern properly.
I do wonder just how hard-right this is going to take them and how long it will take for there to be some kind of internal revolution in the Republican Party?
I do wonder just how hard-right this is going to take them and how long it will take for there to be some kind of internal revolution in the Republican Party?
Based on past president ..... moderate republicans seem to only grow a spine after they've left government.
In the same way the Tory party in this country is now just the UKIP/Brexit/Reform party, the Republican Party is now the MAGA party. You either tow the populist nationalist Trump line or you’re out!
There are no ‘moderates’ left. The lunatics have taken over the asylum
I suppose its a pity that Charles Manson passed away as Trump could have commissioned him as the Child and Family secretary.
What’s the deal with this fire? It’s like a sodding raptor engine.
I'd guess it's either gas - you always want a nice fire for the photos, or possibly the whole room is positive pressure for chemical / biological weapon attack reasons, so the fire effectively has a leaf blower shooting at it.
Anyone know what position Trump is giving Steven Seagal and Justin Bieber? 😆
Required reading for Trumpists
Fun fact; the Smoots-Hawley Tariff Act is the very dull subject the history teacher is trying to teach the kids in that scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Not strictly Trump related, but it raised a smile
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296375/the-onion-infowars-acquisition-alex-jones
“the special relationship”
There was never any special relationship, the UK only finished of paying for US support in WWII in 2006!
Which makes the Ukraine situation quite strange, the US ain't doing it for free, Ukraine will be racking up big debts with 'uncle Sam', and the EU, I imagine.
it's a win-win for the USA, props up their arms industry, whilst weakening russia....*
*if we assume that the new trump government isn't on the russian payroll already..
verses
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Not strictly Trump related, but it raised a smilehttps://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296375/the-onion-infowars-acquisition-alex-jones/blockquote >
Jones has posted a video about it on X, his fans are losing their minds over it!
I hope this is the start of a new trend - Beano to buy Breitbart next.
I have to say, there is a lot of comedy buried amongst the smoldering ruins of American democracy.
Not strictly Trump related, but it raised a smile
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296375/the-onion-infowars-acquisition-alex-jones/blockquote >
Funnily enough I did just see the Onion post about this on Insta - but I wasn't sure if they were taking the piss of not
Side note*
Remember Alex Jones one of Trump's biggest biggly buddies well after he got bankruptcy orders on him and his channels.
The web site *the onion* have brought his office and studios in the online bankruptcy auction. https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Ftheonion.com%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl2%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
Long live the onion
Oh well beaten to the punch but it's well worth repeating. ?
Trump has said he'll be a dictator from day one and the nominations he's announced so far are laying the ground for exactly that, filling top roles with people who will follow his orders without question no matter how insane they are. He's basically nominated himself as Sec of Defence and Attorney General, Gaetz and Hegseth are just the fall guys for when something doesn't go as he planned and needs to shift the blame but Trump himself will be calling the shots
Has the onion not just wasted its money? Surely Alex Jones can just buy new equipment and carry on. His fans will all follow him leaving the onion with a worthless website. If anything they're doing him a favour by generating publicity right after Trump wins.
Has the onion not just wasted its money?
They can have fun with all the existing links to infowars and confuse the hell out of the nutters.
There was never any special relationship
Nonsense, our Prime Minister insists that there is a "Special Relationship".
And the great news is that according to Sir Keir Donald Trump is a steadfast supporter of the Special Relationship.
Which is something that I didn't know.
Starmer says Trump ‘steadfast supporter’ of special relationship
https://www.channel4.com/news/starmer-says-trump-steadfast-supporter-of-special-relationship
The onion is a total satire /piss take website though, isn't it? A bit like the daily mash?
What have I missed lol!?
UK only finished of paying for US support in WWII in 2006!
they were interest free loans, so made no sense paying them off earlier when there is interest bearing debt.
Donald trump wants to make america healthy again, and has appointed kennedy as his new health secretary. He also wants to stop the misinformation from big pharma..
This from a man who survives on mcdonalds, is morbidly obese, and promoted the idea of injecting bleach into your eyeballs to counter covid..
What a twunt..
Trump believes that the human body is like a battery with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depletes.
Which actually although obviously wrong isn't quite as nuts as it sounds. I believe that the total number of heartbeats in the lifetime of any mammal is approximately the same - whether it is an elephant or a mouse.
One exception though are humans, I think the total number of heartbeats in an average human's exceeds the average for other mammals (this is from memory so might not be precisely right) And although exercise obviously increases the amount of heartbeats it apparently doesn't affect the overall number of heartbeats in a lifetime because the heart rate of those who exercise regularly falls below average during periods of rest - the rest periods cancels the periods of high activity.
Perhaps Trump read something about total heartbeats and misunderstood?
Yeh, but Trumps heart rate spikes to 160 just getting out of a chair
Probably a “wrong” thing to say at this point but I look forward to Kennedy’s vigorous and creative response to the inevitable bird flu epidemic that’s in the post
He'll be dead soon enough.. The problem is what he's going to pave the way for in the next 4 years, for the American government... That's a lot more worrying than Trump.
Trumps heart rate spikes to 160 just getting out of a chair
It probably also spikes when Melania sits opposite him and crosses her legs.
Imagine having to live in fear of a badly painted and dyed obese body expiring on top of you?
Still, I guess the money makes it worth it.
I think you'll find Trump has the best heart rate ever! Nobody has ever had a heart rate as good as his. Best. Heart. Rate. Ever. Anything else is fake news!
It's not trumps heart beat you should be concerned with... He'll be alive long enough to rip the rule book up.
The Republicans have both houses and the presidency... So anything goes really.
And the judiciary.
Aww shit.. I forgot he loaded the courts too.
Things gonna get really messed up.
🙁
I have a hard time feeling too sorry for Americans as a lot of them did vote for Trump but then a lot of UK people voted tory for 14 years and voted for Brexit and I have to put up with that so can't be great to be on the opposite side of the vote.
Time for the likes of California to go for cessation, what is there to lose. (I know, it would never get through)