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Wonder if he knows he cant vote.
Tell him you object to foreigners interfering in politics and watch the cogs turn.
The primary reason the Dems launched the hurricane on Florida was to destroy all the mail in ballots sat in post boxes. Have you lot not been reading the news?
The primary reason the Dems launched the hurricane on Florida was to destroy all the mail in ballots sat in post boxes. Have you lot not been reading the news?
It's so obvious when you say it like that!
Republicans: climate change is a hoax! It's part of a natural cycle, nothing to do humans!
Also Republicans: the democrats can control the weather!
Fossil fuel and Petro chemical companies:
https://scottishbusinessnews.net/labour-party-supports-us-democrats-in-swing-states/
What a daft idea, I wonder who in the Kamala Harris camp thought that this would be a good idea?
It gives Trump the opportunity to claim foreign interference, and from a former colonial power no less....."the British are coming". He can remind his supporters of the Boston Tea Party spirit.
And why would a political party with almost 50 million registered supporters need the help of 100 Brits?
It's not uncommon for UK staffers to go and work on US campaigns and vice versa.
Obviously it suits some people's agendas to blow it out of proportion at different times
i don't think we are talking here about your normal handful of staffers who are exchanged between political organisations so that they can learn from each other's campaigns. A hundred individuals in key swing States suggested a concerted effort to help affect the results.
I'm lovin the hypocrisy of Nigel Farage who is complaining of foreign interference in the US presidential election btw. As I remember it one of the excuses he originally gave for not standing in the UK general election was that he would be busy helping Donald Trump in his bid to secure a second term.
I’m also loving farage’s hypocrisy as Bannon has sent him a team of advisors
Nigel Farage is recieving advice on “perception management” from the team behind Steve Bannon, who is currently serving a prison sentence? Excellent!
Polls have narrowed further
It still seems to be a coin toss, tho 538 now have a slight edge to Trump
As for labour staffers, everything is about getting out the vote, I'm assuming they are helping /advising towards that end.
It would be remarkable if Harris did win, I'm not aware of any government that's survived a GE post global inflation cost of living squeeze.
Musk now offering $100 a vote (well sign up to his database so he can chase you to vote on the day) shows just how desperate he is to win this
Trump now has the momentum in all of the swing states. KH really has to up her messaging to sort this. She needs to very succinctly articulate her vision for America and get it out there. Almost half the people interviewed by Sky news didn’t actually know anything about Harris’ priorities.
ernielynch
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Nigel Farage is recieving advice on “perception management” from the team behind Steve Bannon, who is currently serving a prison sentence? Excellent!
Got to love that it appears to have only come out because the company involved was compelled by US law to declare they were assisting a foreign national.
We were in Dubrovnik recently. Stayed in a very fancy hotel that has quite a few Americans in it. They were generally well traveled, well off people in their 60’s or older.
One guy came in to the bar having learned about the earthquake that destroyed the city in the 1600’s. He was very insistent that this proved climate change was part of the eb and flow of nature, the earthquake from 400 years ago obviously means climate change today isn’t man made. This was on the same day that people were being killed by flooding in neighbouring Bosnia, which really annoyed him as he had to rearrange his tour for the next day.
Early voting numbers are looking surprisingly good for the Republicans
Whether it's indicative of big numbers for Trump or just noise, Its hard not to be worried about it tbh.
As for labour staffers, everything is about getting out the vote, I’m assuming they are helping /advising towards that end.
Didn't our GE have record low turnout? And Labour got the worst vote share of any winning party? Obviously they won, but if I needed to enthuse voters to make sure I got big numbers out I'm not sure the current Labour party would be who I'd go to for help!
Didn’t our GE have record low turnout? And Labour got the worst vote share of any winning party? Obviously they won, but if I needed to enthuse voters to make sure I got big numbers out I’m not sure the current Labour party would be who I’d go to for help!
Sorry as I'm genuinely not nitpicking here!
I suppose it depends upon your way of looking at it. In the many swing seats that they needed to win, they largely did. Part of that process was putting people and resources into those seats. So, where the turnout needed to be, it was good, or at least, it was good enough.
So, imo, it's one of those many grey areas of life where it isn't a black or white answer.
So, imo, it’s one of those many grey areas of life where it isn’t a black or white answer.
Oh yeah, obviously on a seats basis they won with a crushing majority, but that was because people left the Tories and voted lib dem or reform, rather than because they convinced people to vote Labour. Unfortunately in America there's no 'establishment right wing party' and 'fruit loop populist right wing party' to split the votes that don't go to the Democrats. Their Tory/Reform merger has already happened with the Tea Party/Maga lot taking over the republicans.
Their Tory/Reform merger has already happened with the Tea Party/Maga lot taking over the republicans.
Yep, very true. The republican party was subject to a hostile takeover. Well, let's be real, it was welcomed by those that are all too happy to ride the MAGA gravy train. Very depressing but so much worse if Trump wins.
The republican party was subject to a hostile takeover.
At the risk of invoking Godwin more like the German takeover of Austria. Largely welcomed at the time with a few dissenters.
This latest gaff might actually damage him. Featured on the latest episode of HIGNFY US, which is worth a watch. Interesting audience reaction when they played the clip.
PrinceJohn
Full Member
Apparently Trump is going on Joe Rogan, so another reason to hate him and Spotify
All the turds really are lining up behind the Turd in Chief aren't they? Scumbags one and all.
I think he'll win. Especially after reading this...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/20/as-silicon-valley-eyes-us-election-elon-musk-is-not-the-only-tech-bro-to-worry-about
How many billions and billions has gone into AI? They need to avoid regulation to recoup that money. Trumps too much of a useful idiot.
Marina Hyde on the money, as ever
https://Twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1848736032268714395?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
so another reason to hate him and Spotify
Rogan hasn't been exclusive to Spotify for a long time
"Trump files foreign interference complaint against Harris and UK's Labour Party"
"The Trump campaign says it's filed a complaint to the Federal Election Commission against the Harris-Walz campaign, as well Keir Starmer's Labour Party in the UK, for what it calls "illegal foreign campaign contributions and interference in our elections"
The wrong type of election interference for trump I'm guessing. 😉
Not just the Labour Party but the far-left Labour Party:
Trump campaign files complaint over ‘foreign interference’ by ‘far-left’ Labour Party in US election
The beeb have just added this:
For context: This election is not the first time that either Labour or Tory staff have campaigned in the US election for the Democratic Party or the GOP.
So this is just trump playing the little oppressed victim again.
And I thought Trump liked our far-left Prime Minister
Trump heaps praise on ‘very popular’ Keir Starmer as pair meet in New York
I think Trump will win. I was hopeful when Biden pulled out, it felt like the was a switch and some fresh momentum behind Harris. But now I'm not so sure. One thing that seemed to work was the "weird" line, it was getting under Trumps skin and it was as if people were realising "oh yeah, they are weird aren't they". But I've heard (yeah, I know, unsubstantiated) that it was the Labour 'advisors' that put a stop to that and tried to win over the US equivalent of the 'red wall' by getting Republicans out to support Harris/Walz, and it doesn't feel like that's really working as well.
I am beginning to think Harris will win. I'm hoping it'll be a 2022 mid term again
Trump is throwing everything at it, but the dials aren't really shifting. I'd say they are desperate right now
Obviously I'm applying a good deal of copium right now....although this did cheer me up this morning
https://bad-faith-times.ghost.io/you-are-being-manipulated-by-bad-faith-pollsters/
I think Trump will win
Me too. Do you think he is any more ready for office than he was last time in terms of key figures ready to appoint? A lot of key figures around him and family members have moved on.
The first 24hrs could be interesting, beyond pardoning himself wherever possible which is just inevitable.
The depressing thing will be the other world leaders feeling they have to be pleasant to him for diplomacy reasons. We really could do with a Hugh Grant Love Actually moment.
So this is just trump playing the little oppressed victim again.
No, this is just slinging mud at the Democrats. Just means that someone has to take care of it, spend money sorting it out, and it just makes life just that little bit more annoying. It's just politics. If Trump wins (I swither each way at the moment) it'll not make the slightest bit of difference to any relationship he has with Starmer. Everything for Trump is transactional. Do what he wants, you're the greatest person that ever there was. Challenge him, mock him, don't do the thing he wants, and your the worst person that's ever lived, and he tell everyone that you're a terrible person.
The only thing that hoping for is that if he does win, he's old, unfit, and very rapidly and obviously going demented. He may not last
The only thing that hoping for is that if he does win, he’s old, unfit, and very rapidly and obviously going demented. He may not last
The problem with that is that the doors will have been opened and the nut jobs will already be running the asylum!
I don’t think he’ll win but statement of the bleedin obvious he won’t go quietly. God I ****ing hate him.
what makes me so proportionally cross is that the fate of the free world, of millions of Ukranians and Gazans especially, but basically tens of millions and millions of 'non combatants' in this race comes down to literally a few thousand rednecks in Pennsylvania - thats not even hyperbole - its very likely 20,000 votes that will swing this.
Absolutely crazy.
Its crazy that it seems so close, polls are pretty much 50/50 nationally and in the swing states
Dems winning Senate looking v unlikely and its 50/50 in House
If the Republicans get all 3 then Trump will be laughing, (and if he wins the House hes probably winning presidency anyway) if that happens expect a lot of Pardons for the likes of Banon & Giuliani and probably some pretty nasty attacks on those whove been prosecuting him for his various crimes & Jan 6th.
BUT Ive still got some hope that Harris will edge it in the swing states, young voters and women turning out in big numbers will really help Theres still a good chance that will happen
What I can definitely see is that if he lost he wont go quietly & Musk & his twitter will massively amplify the stolen election narrative , infact I think the people around him will be the ones pushing the conspiracies more than him (he already has his Supreme Court immunity & he's very old)
Trump piling up votes in red states could even see him winning the popular vote but failing to get the swing states & losing the Electoral college, then there really would be all kinds of conspiracies and potential for violence etc
That de Santis geezer was supposed to be Trump v2. Whilst I don’t doubt there’s someone out there, this isn’t a drug turf war vacuum. Orange Shitgibbon inexplicably is special - we can see that from the impact he’s had on the world which will fill books and theses for decades.
winston
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what makes me so proportionally cross is that the fate of the free world, of millions of Ukranians and Gazans especially, but basically tens of millions and millions of ‘non combatants’ in this race comes down to literally a few thousand rednecks in Pennsylvania – thats not even hyperbole – its very likely 20,000 votes that will swing this.Absolutely crazy.
You are not alone in feeling that way mate. I'll be up on election night and hoping for the best. He'll declare a win either way so it could get genuinely nasty even if Harris wins.
We are all slaves to fate and ones man's ego and vengeance at this point. In other countries, their lives literally depend upon the result of this US election. It's desperately sad, poor old Ukraine and Gaza. It shouldn't be this way.
...he’s old, unfit, and very rapidly and obviously going demented. He may not last
The last president that statement applied to is about to see out his 4 years still in post, I wouldn't be shocked at Trump sticking about for his full term if he wins.
I honestly think it's too close to call too currently, between people trying to deliberately skew polls and Trumps flair for media Vs Harris looking a bit awkward at times. it's a tough call lots of people will tell you Trump beat Hillary due to personality as much as anything else, lots of people (rightly or Wrongly) had an issue with 'that Woman' America for all it's progress in some areas still seems to like voting for old white men...
Listening to R4 this morning was interesting, they were talking to some Muslim Dems, former party activists who were so (understandably) upset over the Biden/Harris position on Palestine that they ran the spectrum from abstaining from the presidential vote and refusing to campaign, to one now pledging to vote Trump (admittedly there was a big dose of cognitive dissonance at work there).
Like it or not Harris has been part of the Biden government and therefore any issues voters have with Joe, more than likely carry over to Kamala.
My own worry (outside of a Trump win) is that a narrow loss will get spun as a "stolen" election by Trump and his acolytes, and the crazies will go full Gravy Seal en-masse and 'just' storming the capitol building won't be enough for them this time. The election denial and insurrectionist rhetoric is still there and as potentially more dangerous than four years ago...
...this race comes down to literally a few thousand rednecks in Pennsylvania – thats not even hyperbole – its very likely 20,000 votes that will swing this.
~10,000 would apparently have done last time:
That de Santis geezer was supposed to be Trump v2. Whilst I don’t doubt there’s someone out there, this isn’t a drug turf war
JD Vance as VP would likely become president as that's basically the point of a VP.
Just as nasty as Trump but younger, more intelligent and more articulate.
Crist, this is just sad. Elderly people bankrupting themselves making political donations.
https://twitter.com/KeneAkers/status/1848923842007433501
Not just the Labour Party but the far-left Labour Party:
Now that's blatantly fake news, right there
MoreCashThanDashFull Member
Not just the Labour Party but the far-left Labour Party:
Now that’s blatantly fake news, right there
Theres a reason Trump is framing it as a far left plot, even though Harris is to the right of Thatcher , in america, among the crucial independent vote shes seen as hyper left wing!
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1849078676614222255
I think Trump will win.
I think Musk possibly swings it for him.
Most people know Trump is an idiot by now, but Musk builds self driving cars, plants chips into people's brains, and creates Thunderbirds rockets, and he's all in for Trump, so Trump must be OK?
With more reach than potentially any other human on the planet, and a large following of younger people, I don't think his influence can be overstated. Crazy times we're living in.
Maybe Taylor Swift can take him down.
Rumours that those apprentice Nword tapes might be coming out
Of course we've been here before
Not just the Labour Party but the far-left Labour Party
I’m going to direct Republican voters to the Keir Starmer thread on here where his hardline Marxist fundamentalism is all anyone ever mentions 😀
butcher
Full MemberI think Musk possibly swings it for him.
I think Musk's interventions, demented as they are, are a really big deal, mostly because they're one of the few things the Trump campaign's got that isn't a direct appeal to his own followers. Without a doubt there's individuals who're politically "in the middle" but who're fully in the cult of musk, it's not a neat musk/trump cultist overlap. Like, this is a small bubble of course but there's a lot of the really vocal spacex and tesla fanboys who are politically just completely in the democrat camp on essentially every issue but who think Musk can do no wrong.
Whether these people are among the few that actually matter, is the question.
But **** me, how depressing to be still 50/50. Especially now that Trump's doing essentially nothing- he's pulling out of events, he's cancelling interviews, he's just doing an occasional stunt or rightwing handjob interview and it doesn't seem to even register. So much of the US press is about normalising trump but this feels different, weeks out from an election seeing a candidate just completely run out of steam should be an absolute disaster and it's just.... nothing at all. It's yet another thing that would absolutely ruin any other candidate and just doesn't matter.
Most people know Trump is an idiot by now, but Musk builds self driving cars, plants chips into people’s brains, and creates Thunderbirds rockets, and he’s all in for Trump, so Trump must be OK?
Trump is going to win because, like Johnson and Farage with Brexit, he’s convinced the turkeys to not just vote for Christmas, but WE DEMAND CHRISTMAS NOW!
Anyone with anything between their ears might be perhaps asking why all the corporate billionaires are backing their ‘man of the people’?
MoreCashThanDash
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Documentary about interference in 2020 just started on BBC2
Yeah, watching it, it's a little bit chilling. Going to be a rocky 4 years (and longer...) if he wins this.
The only slight glimmer of hope if its tight and the obvious falsehoods start coming out of whatever Orange orifice is that currently Biden is in control of the state and you'd like to think the National Guard etc. would be called into duty quicker than on his watch last time.
I wonder how many of Trumps most vocal critics or political or judicial enemies will happen to be on vacation in Canada or Mexico or elsewhere out of the country over the few days post-election.
He's gonna have a lot of retribution to dish out, if he wins...
A screenshot articles in US politics site today. I don't like the direction this is headed..
Bin dun!
But **** me, how depressing to be still 50/50.
It's actually hard to say if it is or not. In the previous two elections a flaw in poling meant Trump's support was under estimated. The difficulty is the kind of people who vote for trump are naturally suspicious of authority, conspiracy minded, antisocial and uncooperative and tend not to be findable by pollsters, or don't participate if they are, or aren't necessarily truthful when they do.
Its also interesting that some of the republicans that have backed Harris, such as Liz Cheney are appealing to disaffected GOP voters to vote Harris but not tell anyone
“I would just remind people, if you’re at all concerned, you can vote your conscience and not ever have to say a word to anybody,” Cheney said, as she sat side-by-side with Harris. “There will be millions of Republicans who do that on November 5.”
So in undertaking polling companies are having to work out how to skew their results to compensate for this behaviour - but until theres an election result to reference against theres not really a way to know if these changes now mean the polls are more accurate or if they've inadvertently overstated Trumps appeal
I saw the groping allegations this morning and thought.......that'll do the absolutely nothing. Worse - it'll probably solidify his supporters against the 'deep state' hell bent to bring him down.
I think we're at the point were a typical Trump voter would say "Sure, he raped my Daughter - that's Donny for ya! She must be a good looking girl. Kind of a compliment really. But he's going to make me wealthy, protect me from the frauds and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN (AGAIN) so he's got my vote 110%"
I have been told that Trump groped a minor at one of his donor dinners — and that there’s video.
He's boasted about groping women and was an acquaintance of Epstein. That ship sailed a long time ago.
I'm really worried about the result of this. It will depend on who doesn't come out to vote rather than who does.
That ship sailed a long time ago.
For everyone and everything.
We fell for the same thing with Johnson - lay or all your flaws, lies, criminality for everyone to see at the outset and theres no bubble to burst. People are generally distrustful of politicians - by being someone you know everything about because their flaws are so great they end up in courtrooms and headlines Trump is somehow more 'genuine' that someone you know nothing about becuase their private life is necessarily private
In the age of celebrity and reality what Trump offers is the same thing that Katie Price offers - unfiltered insight into every craven, foolish, grubby, stupid little detail of your life. Trump has turned the Whitehouse into the Big Brother house and his rallies are the Diary Room
In the age of celebrity and reality what Trump offers is the same thing that Katie Price offers – unfiltered insight into every craven, foolish, grubby, stupid little detail of your life. Trump has turned the Whitehouse into the Big Brother house and his rallies are the Diary Room
Someone at the Guardian is going to use that...
In the previous two elections a flaw in poling meant Trump’s support was under estimated.
The "Shy Trump Voter" effect? I really don't think anyone is shy about their support for him anymore, it could be just as likely that the polls are overestimating support for Trump if they still add that in.
This is a bit like the brexit thread. Lots of 'how can they be so stupid' sneering and snobbery. It's really not hard to understand why Americans are probably going to vote for Trump, and it's not because they're all mysoginists and racists. When the political system stops working for normal working people, those people will grasp whatever option exists to react against it, and right now in the US that is Donald Trump.
The politicians 'on the left' need to be taking a long hard look at themselves and asking why a repellent racist sex pest fraudster is preferable to any of the 'respectable' candidates they can put forward.
Trump has no interest in normal working people, and will screw them over just like he did in his first presidency, so to vote for the same thing again is…… what would you call that?
Trump has no interest in normal working people
Of course he doesn't. But he is currently the only alternative to a system which has utterly screwed working people in favour of the rich, and he's claiming to be on their side. They know what they will get with the status quo, so they'll vote for anything that isn't that even if they probably know that Trump won't help them either. And why should the voters take it seriously? For decades they have voted for so-called 'serious' politicians who have broken every promise and every campaign message that things would be better with them in power. If people are not presented with a serious alternative, they'll vote for an unserious one instead.
it could be just as likely that the polls are overestimating support for Trump if they still add that in.
Its not just the polls, the bookies have Trump ahead these days too
The “Shy Trump Voter” effect? I really don’t think anyone is shy about their support for him anymore, it could be just as likely that the polls are overestimating support for Trump if they still add that in.
tories are shy. Trump voters might have the hats, flags and bumper stickers but it doesn’t mean they’re cooperative