Amazingly a response nobody could even have anticipated
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/hamas-leader-calls-for-new-uprising/9238346
The Palestinian militant group Hamas has called for a new uprising against Israel after US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.
Endorsing the illegal occupation of Jerusalem leads to more trouble. If only there were some people who could have advised him.
I've missed the past 300 or so pages of this thread so excuse my ignorance but, quick question please. Is jambalaya trolling or is he actually a Trump fan?
I've missed the past 300 or so pages of this thread so excuse my ignorance but, quick question please. Is jambalaya trolling or is he actually a Trump fan?
You're assuming it can't be both.
As custodians of Islam's holy sites, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have issued warnings that this move could inflame the Muslim world.
The Palestinian militant group Hamas has called for a new uprising against Israel after US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.
Endorsing the illegal occupation of Jerusalem leads to more trouble.
What!?
That doesn't sound like our peace loving Muslim friends.
Ah Katie Hopkins is back.
Taking one side in the middle east is like playing parents off against each other. Pointless and stupid.
[quote=jambalaya ]Well done to Trump on Israel
Almost unanimous global condemnation of Trump's announcement yesterday, yet one of our resident clownshoes applauds it. Away back under your bridge.
Trump has been decisive, some other world leaders could learn a thing or two.
God knows the Jews deserve a country and Jerusalem is the logical capital of that country.
After their shocking treatment in ww2 youd think this is the least the world could do for them....wouldn't you expect their friendly religious, peace loving neighbours to feel the same way?
It isn't really if you had any knowledge of the history of the region. It's a site that is massively significant to 3 global religions who all have strong ties to the sites there.
Perhaps you should take the time to learn something
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/why-trump-recognising-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-is-complex/9236268
Jerusalem is not only a Jewish cityAbout one in five Israelis are in fact Israeli Arabs — effectively Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship.
And beyond the "green line" that separates Israel from occupied territory, Palestinians still make up much, if not most, of the population in East Jerusalem.
For them, it is unthinkable that their own capital in a future state could be anywhere but Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is sacred not just to Jews
The old, walled city of Jerusalem is sacred not just to Jews, but equally to Muslims and Christians.
The Western Wall pre-dates both Christianity and Islam. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre is where Christians believe Jesus was crucified.
And the Al Aqsa mosque and famous gold-roofed Dome of the Rock represent the third most holy site in the world for Muslims, after Mecca and Medina.
Although Israel controls access to the Temple Mount, above the Western Wall, an Islamic trust known as the Waqf retains authority over the Muslim holy sites.
Indeed, so volatile are the sensitivities over the site, Jews allowed onto the Temple Mount under strict controls are banned from overtly praying.
The sight of Jews even bowing their heads in prayer has led to violence in the past.
As for the peace loving people of the region neither side is innocent. There are atrocities being carried out by both sides. Why pick one?
Trump has been divisive
FTFY
Let’s see if we can guess which former President said this:
[i]Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable. The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper — but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognised and defensible borders. [b]Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided[/b]"[/i]
Why pick one?....
....perhaps because of this:
above the Western Wall, an Islamic trust known as the Waqf retains authority over the Muslim holy sites.Indeed, so volatile are the sensitivities over the site, Jews allowed onto the Temple Mount under strict controls are banned from overtly praying.
The sight of Jews even bowing their heads in prayer has led to violence in the past.
How delightfully tolerant...not even allowed to bow your head FFS...but every other religion is expected to tolerate halal slaughter, subjugation of women, the burqa, open homophobia, etc from Muslims...lovely, coming to a town near you soon.
Perhaps if Islam had been through a reformation or enlightenment like the other two monotheistic religions we wouldn't have so many problems....but it didn't, it's backwards and if it's followers can't see that then nuke the middle east of the barbarians and start again.
I wonder what that nice Mr.Mueller is up to.
How delightfully tolerant...not even allowed to bow your head FFS..
Yeah you'd never get Christians doing that sort of thing at a holy site in Jerusalem, like for instance beating the crap out of each other because someone moved a chair or a small wooden ladder:
I expect deviant there would be calm and restrained when somebody invaded his home took his land and forced him out to a refugee camp.
no surprise that the crowds are massing and clashes reported.
at least trumps making an impact in the stone throwing and flag burning industry. all those miners can start selling coal to the Arabs for chucking at the Israel police.
I wonder what that nice Mr.Mueller is up to.
and that is the very point isn't it? Today, we are not talking about it.
The terrifying question is though what measures will Trump have to take to distract the world when Mueller really gets going?
Even when Trump gets what he deserves the damage he has done will take a long time to heal. I'm wondering what the death toll for the health insurance fiasco will be.
Perhaps if [s]Islam[/s] Deviant and people like him had been through a reformation or enlightenment like [s]the other two monotheistic religions[/s] other rational people we wouldn't have so many problems....but [s]it didn't[/s] he hasn't, [s]it's[/s] he's backwards...
There fixed.
I expect deviant there would be calm and restrained when somebody invaded his home took his land and forced him out to a refugee camp.
Somewhat of a misrepresentation of what happened in 1967, isn't it? You also appear to have missed what happened to the residents of the Jewish Quarter between 1948 when East Jerusalem was occupied by Jordan and 67 when it was "illegally occupied" by Israel (after being attacked unprovoked by, well, everyone else in the region combined, with the intent of pushing them into the Sea) I wonder what would have happened to the Israelis if that had been sucessful - despite the fact that the invasion was to sieze land that had almost entirely been bought fair and square off the Arabs (And I'll call them Arabs, because of course, they werent Palestinians, they were Arab residents of the Ottoman empire, Palestine was a region, not a country)
[i]"For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."[/i]
Tell me, what were the Jews from Jerusalems Jewish Quarter supposed to do? remain calm and restrained when somebody invaded their home, took their land and forced them out to a refugee camp?
There are atrocities being carried out by both sides. Why pick one?
Indeed - so why do you always appear to side with the anti-semites?
The very reason the vast majority of sensible, smart and educated people recommend a "cautious" approach to the situation in the Middle East is very much because it is a complex, multifaceted and historical problem. It isn't going to be solved tomorrow, and it certainly isn't going to be solved by a single state making some (pretty much pointless) statement that helps no cause but their own.
Trump, is an idiot, he has poor judgement and is incapable of making a rational, logical decision. In fact, he is entirely "reactive". His "policies" consist of short outbursts on what ever he has just been talking about with whoever last spoke to him.
We shouldn't be surprised that he announces the "Best thing since sliced bread" today, only to do a complete about-face tomorrow when he finds out there is something better (usually something that makes him richer, makes him have more "power" or something that can make him look more "right" about something.)
he has poor judgement and is incapable of making a rational, logical decision. In fact, he is entirely "reactive". His "policies" consist of short outbursts on what ever he has just been talking about with whoever last spoke to him.
Interesting that you know so much, met Donald many times have you? worked with him for long?
So how does this analysis tie in with the King of Jordan's working holiday in the US, plus the recent extended trip to the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia.
Maybe, just maybe, there's more going on behind the scenes than you care to admit to yourself?
Seems weird that the great negotiator couldn't roll this into a deal though !!
jambalaya - MemberWell done to Trump on Israel, he has significant cross party support too. He’s also working on ending funding to Palestinian Authority who divert aid money to pay terrorist
Funny how one persons terrorist is anothers army, isnt it?
Another cretin that finds it acceptable to take a statement from one small group and genralise it to an entire group of people that are only connected by their religious label.
you mean like Lefties repeatedly do with Nazi's and Conservatives/Republicans/Trump supporters/Brexiteers?
All the same thing ninfan.
Yay people seriously injured in clashes in Gaza.
Truly something for the Trump fans to cheer
Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn't have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital?....they bring half this crap on themselves with their inability to discuss anything religious in a rational way.
Stuff ' em.
Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn't have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital?
Well, to be fair it seems that every US President, and the US Congress, and law, has recognised Jerusalem as the capital for about thirty years.
Hell, even Hillary agreed: http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/09/senate.2000/hrc.jerusalem/
The only upset here appears to be that The Donald actually did what everyone else only promised.
What a *******
As for the fanatical, extremist Muslims (as opposed to the hundreds of millions of perfectly lovely, reasonable Muslims, of all shapes, colours and sizes).... yeah, like they needed an excuse!
deviant - Member
Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn't have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital?....they bring half this crap on themselves with their inability to discuss anything religious in a rational way.
Stuff ' em.
I'm some ways the Jerusalem issue is similar to the massive historical tensions in Northern Ireland.
Just like there, hate just breeds more hate until both sides decide things must change.
The trouble is Trumps actions simply feed the likes of ISIS. Which feeds military intervention, which feeds...etc etc. It just goes round and round with civilians being caught in the middle most of the time.
What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.
Not "just" Muslim but American and British lives too. All lives sacrificed for nothing to placate Trumps utter contempt for any sort of human morality.
It can't be justified in my opinion.
What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.
The continued stagnation and refusal to advance the peace process was also costing lives. It’s a false premise to suggest that the status quo was entirely peaceful
Holding off on recognising Jerusalem as the capital hasn’t worked so far has it? Hey, someone’s trying something new, actually doing something, rather than continuing along the same ineffective path of failure.
Perhaps if the Zionist organisational sect of the Jewish religion had not authorised illegal land grabs of Palestinian land we would now be experiencing a tolerable respect throughout the region.
[url= https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160804-how-much-palestinian-land-do-israeli-settlements-really-eat-up/ ]How much Palestinian land do Israeli settlements really eat up[/url]
It's the fanatical Zionists who are hell bent on bringing the Palestinians under subjugation, not the moderate Jewish sect within the government
It would be different if he was actually trying to help, but it's all merely trying to look important and distract us from the Russia probe, which seems to be moving along nicely. Basically people are dying because of one man's delicate ego. Total bawbag.
ninfan - Member
What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.
The continued stagnation and refusal to advance the peace process was also costing lives. It’s a false premise to suggest that the status quo was entirely peaceful
Absolutely,I am not suggesting the the status quo was even remotely stable.
It's just that during a house fire you don't try to put out the flames with petrol.
Hey, someone’s trying something new, actually doing something
So how exactly do you see this helping?
Perhaps if the Zionist organisational sect of the Jewish religion had not authorised illegal land grabs of Palestinian land we would now be experiencing a tolerable respect throughout the region.
Apart from the fact that most of the land originally settled was bought fair and square off the Arabs
It was the attempted illegal land grabs led by neighbouring Arab countries in an attempt, literally, to destroy the state of Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973 that truly displayed who were the aggressors in this situation
The only upset here appears to be that The Donald actually did what everyone else only promised.
Hasn't he signed the same six month waiver that all the previous presidents signed?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-jerusalem-recognition-trump-signs-waiver-delaying-embassy-move/
[quote=deviant ]Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn't have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital?....they bring half this crap on themselves with their inability to discuss anything religious in a rational way.
Stuff ' em.
truly they do indeed lack your diplomatic insights and thoughtful tone that you seem to reserve only for people who are not white
Furthermore it is indeed irrational of them to object to the seizure of their land by force and the capital being declared din breach of UN rules the seven resoutions and international opinion
The only irrational guff here is from the usual racially motivated suspects and the usual troll who are the only people not appalled by this action which does not serve peace or justice.
Debating with people like you is futile Best of luck Graham
deviant - Member
subjugation of women...
Agree with you 1000% on this one. Its terrible that we live in a world where a man can use things such as language to demean and subjugate women, reducing them to nothing more than objects. Or criticise them in their strive for equality.
And yet its all too common.
Apart from the fact that most of the land originally settled was bought fair and square off the Arabs
Origionally perhaps but dwarfed by the land seizures since
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it wasn't exactly a utopia over there before this move. the media will do anything to wind up the sheeple.
ninfan - Member
There are atrocities being carried out by both sides. Why pick one?
Indeed - so why do you always appear to side with the anti-semites?
I applaud you ninfan for dancing down the line so well. Same as you and the other 2 struggle with the idea of A Muslim vs Some Muslims vs Organisations that contain muslims criticising the policies of the state of Israel is not Anti Semitic (Again you technically didn't say it was but your implication is there)
rmacattack - Member
it wasn't exactly a utopia over there before this move. the media will do anything to wind up the sheeple.
Exactly, it wasn't the best place, it was filled with tension and anger. The best course of action would have been one that was not provocative.
The stance of previous US presidents have been quite clear. They would like to see a time where Jerusalem could be the capital of a peaceful nation, where both sides were treated equally and had a peaceful settlement. Until that happened they could not endorse Jerusalem as the capital.
That seems to be the sensible option all around, make that the reward for accomplishing something.
Trump is a very simple person, he's like a single core processor from several years ago, his mindset simply does not have the capability to deal with what he's tasked with.
codybrennan Its terrible that we live in a world where a man can use things such as language to demean and subjugate women, reducing them to nothing more than objects.
And then our society makes that man the President of the United States of America. As Trump has proven, Morality has taken a back seat to Greed, Truth a back seat to Shouting, and Honour has been displaced by Self aggrandisement...
Ninfan posts:
As for the fanatical, extremist Muslims (as opposed to the hundreds of millions of perfectly lovely, reasonable Muslims, of all shapes, colours and sizes).... yeah, like they needed an excuse!
mikewsmith posts:
Same as you and the other 2 struggle with the idea of A Muslim vs Some Muslims vs Organisations that contain muslims
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Now, tell me again why you always seem to side with the people who are not only sworn to the destruction of Israel but in fact say things like:
[i]The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! [/i]
