Donald! Trump!

He’ll make a second term unless the Russia stuff means he’s impeached or shot.

for the majority of people in the US he’s an improvement over what they had.

He’ll make a second term

However – ninfan has a point. It doesn’t matter whether he was wrong or not about the biggest audience ever. As ninfan quite rightly points out, the democrats/left will be enraged, the middle will shrug and the right will lap it up. Either way he’s got the coverage he wanted.

I was there last year, in a very very red bit of Utah, the support is flagging in many areas. If he doesn't deliver they will not support him.

He’ll make a second term unless the Russia stuff means he’s impeached or shot. If that happens it’ll be bedlam and he’ll go down as a martyr. Sadly I think we’re stuck with him for the foreseeable

Current predictions is he will end up costing them control of at least one house. The Republican Party will be the ones who decide if he is going to take them there, if he loses both then there will be impeachment as the Dems could easily have the numbers.

I truly hope it does mean he’s gone, but I fear for them if that does happen - it’ll play right into the spin he’s created and in turn there will be some very angry people, stirred up by the media.

[b]flange[/b] wrote:

However – ninfan has a point. It doesn’t matter whether he was wrong or not about the biggest audience ever. As ninfan quite rightly points out, the democrats/left will be enraged, the middle will shrug and the right will lap it up. Either way he’s got the coverage he wanted.

It's distraction pure and simple. I suspect he also believes his own BS and it's nowhere near that calculated. Though actually looking at the figures and what ordinary people are saying, ninfan is wrong about the middle - they're moving away from Donnie, and I expect the realisation of the difficult relationship he has with the truth has contributed to that.

In any case, ninfan is spinning it here - his main point is apparently that Donnie wasn't lying, despite the key sentence being "45.6 million people watched, the highest number in history". His argument that Donnie was including people watching on the internet (despite quoting TV viewing figures) is pretty much par for the course for ninfan's defences of the indefensible.

And how many watched it for the comedy value? The Morecambe and Wise show is one of the most watched shows in UK history, but I wouldn't want them running the country (although they'd probably do a better job than May or Trump).

You have to put it all in the context of Trump having a personality disorder with narcissistic tone.  Whatever he says is true no matter the evidence.  what he wants to happen will and must happen.  When seen thru this prism then Trump becomes obvious and easy to understand

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;">It’s distraction pure and simple.</span>

I don't think it is, when Donald took office he said something like "i will never lie to you" or something like that. What he meant I think, is that he will always tell his base what he thinks in a straightforward way without any of the "politician stuff" those other people put in their speeches. His base are a group of people who feel they've been belittled, patronised, and taken for granted, and they like that very much.

The difference however is that that doesn't mean he should be allowed to get away with whoppers, it's just that there's a group of folk that don't care, they don't need to be distracted.

Its not deliberate lying and certainly not done for a specific effect.  ~to Trump every word he says is true - thats a part of the personality disorder.  He simply cannot say anything that is untrue ( in his mind) so that those calling him out for being wrong must themselves be wrong hence " fake news"

Personality disorder or not, the other thing that springs to mind is the collection of young loaded socialites around here who have managed about 12 months of marriage, take 2 people who nobody has ever said no to and put them together and you get fireworks, Trump's business model is he is right and then he will just get out of it with bankruptcy, it's his only play in the game. Now people dare to say no to them, his response fire them! But he can't he is now having to work to rules he doesn't get in a game he doesn't understand. You can see the strain.

I know ninfan etc will take great joy in picking out individual events that other presidents have made mistakes in, Trump does on nearly every day.

to Trump every word he says is true

IMHO he know his fake news claim is BS but it wins bigly with his base - ie morons who dot understand the fact based world

Junkyard

its how a personality disorder like Trumps works - he does believe everything he says 'cos in his mind he is infallible therefore everyone that claims he is wrong is lying to him.

He simply is incapable of believing he can be wrong

Or he it just falls out of his brain once he said it.

As an aside I am grateful for Ninfan for his insight. It's easy to disagree with someone ideologically, but if we abandon basic civilized discourse then it all becomes a mess. I do wish that Enfht would step up and respond to my previous post replying to them.

The comparison between the US's nuclear policy change under Trump and Reagan is fascinating - Reagan started out as hawkish on defence, apparently it took several years for his attitude to change but I've read a lot of anecdotal reports that he became a passionate supporter of disarmament. Now the policy of basing intermediate range tactical nuclear weapons in Germany and the UK while expanding research into SDI was to force the USSR into an expensive doctrinal change that would put huge pressure on it's own economy. In the background, US diplomats - remember that the US diplomatic corps wasn't hollowed out as it is today - manoeuvred behind the scenes to entice the Soviets to the negotiating table. Unfortunately, the post Soviet doctrine has also been revised toward an escalatory and automatic strategic posture hand in glove with the use of battlefield tactical nukes as a matter of course.

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/russias-nuclear-doctrine/

Ironically, Russia's stance has been in part dictated by the expense of modernising conventional forces and is regarded as a stop gap measure until such modernisation has been completed.

Which leads me to Trump (and I mean the GOP) and their strategy. Clearly, western powers have little answer for the asymmetric warfare being waged by states like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. In order to plug that gap, they're investing heavily in conventional forces and an aggressive nuclear doctrine. Nations that are ostensibly NATO partners such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Turkey are rapidly lurching towards Russia-friendly authoritarianism and America seems to have no answer to this. More worryingly still, they also seem to be lurching towards authoritarianism at the behest of a relatively small, but extremely wealthy ultra-conservative donors to the GOP.

This from 2013 is quite interesting: http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/26/republican-debt-ceiling-demands-straight-koch-brothers.html

The lifting of a cap on individual donations to political parties (back in 2009, I believe) has meant that a small group of spendy individuals can turn off the funding to a political party at will and control policy agenda. This is why we're seeing GOP politicians telling us that there's no such thing as climate change for example and why environmental protection is being rolled back.

Which leads me to Trump (and I mean the GOP) and their strategy. Clearly, western powers have little answer for the asymmetric warfare being waged by states like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. In order to plug that gap, they’re investing heavily in conventional forces and an aggressive nuclear doctrine.

Enough reading around tells us that Trump and the GOP are struggling to coexist, there has been a well documented trail from before Trump appeared that Sessions and Bannon saw the death of the republican party, they are literally dying out, immigration for on is eroding the majorities they have. The 2 were looking for a candidate to push through something to give them a last hurrah to stave off the inevitable end.

On the <span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">authoritarianism</span><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: 12px;"> as said above it's also Trump's way, it only works while he controls the narrative, the bluster to sue everyone (before dropping it and paying out when it's all gone quiet) to the way that the brand is everything. The only way to get rid of the uncomfortable voices is to silence them or try an discredit them, the analogue man meets the internet world, as good as it's been to him it allows people to get the truth out if you care to read it.</span></span>

I don't think Trump cares either way about Climate Science, but there's no doubt that it's a politicised and partisan subject in the States.

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">If Ninfan wants to observe the niceties of conversation, then he can do that, it's entirely up to him. If he wants to act like a troll, he can do that also, it's entirely up to him. He's been banned for derailing almost every political thread he joins on any number of occasions. What he can't do is act like a troll, and then whine about the fact that no-one takes him seriously when he attempts to make some petty point of obfuscation or autistically narrow point of historical accuracy, when he's clearly just on a wind up  (like his ill advised attempt at defending the Nazi Party for not actually inventing Zyklon B). Personally I'll respond to him in the way I find him 99% of the time.</span>

TJ I am not doing a cod psychology discussion about a diagnosis of a man neither of us have ever met and if we did either of is qualified to diagnose.

He simply is incapable of believing he can be wrong

Ninfan never acts seriously - he as an act, like the trump, and when he has to he will try to sound rational to hook anyone into his little scribbles. Trump craves adulation ninfan craves attention.
He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it

Junkyard - its the opinion of a number of prominent US psychologists and its actually really obvious.  Trump simply is not wired up the same way as most of us and is actually incapable of accepting he can ever be wrong

Its is not a mental illness - its a wiring fault

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).
<p class="rteindent1">1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">4 Needing constant admiration from others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.</p>

I agree that relations between Trump and the GOP are strained, it’s worth remembering that Bannon has been a driving force behind selecting a new cadre of candidates who fit his ideology and not the traditional GOP way of doing things - Roy Moore being a prime example.

While we react with incredulity at Trump, we must remember that the GOP is quietly pushing a new agenda even more radical than the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) programme we saw during the early 2000s under Bush. There’s long term planning that’ll take at least a decade to come to fruition.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Trump jettisoned by his own party before he becomes a liability. I doubt very much that he’ll be in a position to stand for another term. The litmus test will be how badly the Republican will be mauled in the mid-terms - a large number of Republican representatives are opting for retirement, more so than usual so expect ultra-conservative, ultra-corporate candidates with a radical agenda.

[b]Junkyard[/b] wrote:

He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it

Guilty. But then I enjoy taking the piss out of him - and I suspect having the piss taken isn't exactly the engagement he's after.

true but its pointless as like trump he knows what he is doing and he knows how to prod ad its not that hard to do.....almost irresistibly

PS the signature bit of the app does not work as i added this to than you

aracer made this all possible
thanks for doing it.

I agree that relations between Trump and the GOP are strained, it’s worth remembering that Bannon has been a driving force behind selecting a new cadre of candidates who fit his ideology and not the traditional GOP way of doing things – Roy Moore being a prime example.

As I said before don't forget Sessions, there is a reason he got AG and will not resign.

https://www.npr.org/2017/03/09/519415023/what-is-steve-bannon-and-jeff-sessions-shared-vision-for-remaking-america

BAZELON: Well, Bannon and Sessions share an ideology that - they often talk about it as being anti-immigrant. And it is. But I think that it's broader than that. I think they really see the chief internal threat of the country as being the way the country's demographics are changing. We're going to go from being a country with about 30 percent of minority voters to about 40 percent in a few presidential cycles. And that - unless the Republican Party changes its platform, that will be a challenge to Republicans and to Trump's base of support, which is 90 percent white.

But I also think there's a kind of deeper cultural discomfort with the growing population of people who are not white in this country, coming from a kind of traditional white sense of propriety of what America is about. That is what's motivating Sessions and Bannon, and that it's part of what's driving the more extreme elements of this presidency.

GROSS: So the goal is to keep America more white and Christian?

BAZELON: Well, yes. I think, bluntly speaking, that's the case. So Sessions, for example, on Bannon's radio show a couple of years ago was talking about an earlier period in American history of high immigration in the beginning of the 20th century. And he talked about that as a radical time. And he used that in a kind of pejorative sense. And then he said that the solution was the 1924 immigration quotas Congress passed and that those quotas were, quote, "good for America."

So the 1924 immigration quotas barred immigration from most of Asia. And they tightly capped the number of people who could come from Italy, the number of Jews, people from the Middle East and Africa. So we're not talking about a kind of neutral form of immigration restrictions. We're talking about a particular way of trying to hold on to a vision of America, the kind of traditional Christian European demographic.

GROSS: So you say that Sessions and Bannon see immigration and the country's changing demographics as America's chief internal threat. What is the threat?

BAZELON: Well, I think from their point of view, there's a kind of cultural threat going on. So one of the things Bannon said before the election was that he was worried that so many of the CEOs in Silicon Valley were from South Asia or from Asia.

And then he said a country is more than an economy, we're a civic society. That seems to imply that if we have too many minorities and foreign-born people here, we're not going to have the same kind of civic society that we've had in the past, that there is a kind of damage or fraying that will be happening. And that's a, you know, very distinct idea of why you want to prevent immigration.

Trump is a tool in their game, unfortunately the instruction got lost in the post and what they thought was some simple play dough turns out to be a hand grenade.

Thank you @mikewsmith, that's interesting reading. Certainly there's a great deal of anti-immigrant sentiment being whipped up, having perused Breitbart and the Drudge Report myself it's notable that anti-migrant and anti-welfare agendas which more often than not lurch into blatant falsehood are being pushed heavily.

I refer back to Newt Gingrich's famous TV interview when he stated that crime was on the increase in America. The interviewer corrected him, but Gingrich responded that Americans don't feel safer regardless of the statistics. Very telling.

[b]Junkyard[/b] wrote:

PS the signature bit of the app does not work as i added this to than you

I haven't bothered fixing it - I didn't know anybody used it (I had my knuckles rapped when I tried doing stuff with it 😉 ) Maybe next release as it should be a 5/10 minute fix.

There's a new update though in the main forum whinge thread - I've made the links "work" from the list of your replies.

"Well, yes. I think, bluntly speaking, that’s the case. So Sessions, for example, on Bannon’s radio show a couple of years ago was talking about an earlier period in American history of high immigration"

The 1600s?

@Junky

Ninfan never acts seriously – he as an act, like the trump, and when he has to he will try to sound rational to hook anyone into his little scribbles. Trump craves adulation ninfan craves attention.
He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it

U OK Hun?

back to God Emperor Trump (PBUH) is it really news to anyone that the establishment of the Republican Party don’t like him and didn’t want him? Did none of you follow the primaries?

Nope not news at all, it's obvious to us all there is a massive split in there. It will be one of the things that brings him down.

as far as I know ninfan withering contempt is not fatal...you are living proof of that

Even your "insults" are tired cliches these days...what has happened to you fella?

“it’s obvious to us all there is a massive split in there. It will be one of the things that stops him winning the primaries/stops him winning the election/stops him being inaugurated/means he won’t last a year/won’t last the term/stops him getting re-elected/won’t last two terms*”

*Delete as appropriate

FTFY

Which leads me to Trump (and I mean the GOP) and their strategy. Clearly, western powers have little answer for the asymmetric warfare being waged by states like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. In order to plug that gap, they’re investing heavily in conventional forces and an aggressive nuclear doctrine. Nations that are ostensibly NATO partners such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Turkey are rapidly lurching towards Russia-friendly authoritarianism and America seems to have no answer to this.

Im torn there, you need to see Russian actions in the light of Georgia and Ukraine - Eastern expansion ideas of the EU (and to a lesser extent European NATO members) in many ways amounted to pissing in Russia’s back yard. Not a particuarly popular interpretation around these parts:   http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

Yep the EU and Nato are expanding into the east, yep it's pissing off Russia by offering the countries membership without invasion, Russia is now in a real 3rd/4th place on the world stage which is why they are so keen to destabilise the US and the EU. A strong EU can stand up to the bullying tactics over oil and gas and can help the former USSR states more than Russia can.

Russia is a broken state with serious internal problems, and we all know the best way to deal with those...

Anyway back to today's news and the Rep/Trump team are going for the inadmissible evidence defense WRT Carter Page, problem is they are not playing the right game, the intel was gathered, the stuff was found. The more Trump goes after the FBI the thinner the ice gets.

Might get a case of these sent to Trump Tower

Why bother when so few of the lefties on here have the intelligence to hold a halfway decent conversation?

Those Peterson memes are going to outlive us all.

I've been having some twitter ''debates' with people celebrating Darren Osborne the Finsbury park terrorist as a hero, they all align along the Trump/Brexit/EDL/BNP axis and seem to genuinely think that ninfans style of meme is the absolute truth.

There's a scary world of right wing nutjobs out there, it's the reason I don't use the killfile, it's important to remember just how batshit some people are.

Hmm. One wonders whereabouts "ninfan" might elsewhere be connected...

has anybody seen the piece the bbc did of piers and trump? now im not fan of either , but a national news agency doing a cartoon of that nature is outrage.

Yes I saw it.

I thought it an entirely accurate illustration of the crawling sycophantic lickspittling approach adopted by the appalling Piers Morgan in toadying up to his favourite Father figure.

Err you do realise that the 'Mash Report' is comedy/satire and not hard hitting news.

has anybody seen the piece the bbc did of piers and trump? now im not fan of either , but a national news agency doing a cartoon of that nature is outrage.

The low key reporting of the memo is revealing. Just confirms the media were part of it. The memo vindicates Trump, confirms the suspicions of the deep state tin foil hatters and reveals a coup attempt. As this stuff escalates, and it will, the memo is the tip of the iceberg, it's hard to see how Trump won't become unbeatable.

In what way does the memo vindicate trump?  Its simply more distraction

there is undoubted proof of his obstructing justice and colluding with Russia.  The legal quagmire he is embedded in is going to destroy his presidency as it is going to occupy all his limited attention

Mid terms will be the real test and that is looking like a complete disaster for the republicans

The memo confirms what ?

That trump's advisor's were being monitored based on the Steele dossier ?

It's a bigger non- event than that time Bird launched a bike with 12 gears 😉

But it does give all the batshit deep staters, something to consider as they sagely say ''makes you think"

More importantly it's good groundwork for keeping trump's base on side for the final Meuller charges, which otherwise might be problematic for trump

(See also Mogg creating #fakenews myths about impact assessments)

"tjagain

Member

In what way does the memo vindicate trump? Its simply more distraction"

Oh come on- it's a note from his mate saying everything's fine, how can you doubt it?

The memo vindicates Trump

The only surprise to me is how far the republican establishment are going to protect their party rather than the state and they really are my party right or wrong and before the nation.

it’s hard to see how Trump won’t become unbeatable.

it’s important to remember just how batshit some people are.

lol @ northwind

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">But it does give all the batshit deep staters, something to consider as they sagely say ”makes you think</span>

The amazing thing is that out of the conspiracy types the ones with the best case for arguing the FBI pushed the election one way or another are the democrat leaning ones. Given that out of the two sets of investigations only one was made public just before election day.

The republicans though are going to support him for as long as possible to stack the courts with their young (ish) judges since that will cripple any future democrat party for years to come.

Dunno what to make of the big bad wolf book but

Mark Corallo was instructed not to speak to the press, indeed not to even answer his phone," Wolff writes. "Later that week, Corallo, seeing no good outcome — and privately confiding that he believed the meeting on Air Force One represented a likely obstruction of justice — quit.

IMHO when your legal people do a runner early on in the game then your probably not onto a winner.

Reading a piece in the Grauniad earlier about documentary film-maker Alex Gibney, who’s latest film is about Trump, and he said this about Trump;

[b]“The final film in the series focuses on Trump, who has been covered endlessly over the past couple of years. What more was there to add?[/b]
The essence of Trump’s appeal was that he’s a great businessman, so therefore he’ll be a great president. We thought, OK then, let’s take a focused look at what he was like as a businessman.

[b]Not so great, it turns out…[/b]
He was an absolutely terrible businessman. Every business he touched withered and died and he would always leave someone else holding the bag. You look at the trail of slime he left behind and just shake your head and wonder.

[b]Why do you think people are still buying into him?[/b]
It’s something I dealt with in my film about Scientology: some people just have the need to believe in Trump. They come to feel that he represents part of their character. No matter how much evidence you present to them about what a bad guy this is, they don’t want to hear it, because somehow an attack on Trump is an attack on them.

[b]Can you imagine him staying the course?[/b]
Yes I can. A similar thing happened in Russia when Putin rose to power: everybody mocked him as some small apparatchik who wasn’t going to stand the test of time. But power has a way of solidifying.”

So when will Trump take credit for the massive crash on the Dow?

https://twitter.com/ShaunUsher/status/960628825318219776

That's a new high, that one.

Meanwhile, Trump's comments on Congresspeople who didn't applaud him at the state of the union: "Un-American. Can we call that treason? Why not?"

^ it's not true unfortunately - he didn't tweet that he should be shot from a cannon

Sad!

https://www.snopes.com/did-trump-tweet-president-dow-joans/

Also, careful NW, you'll have ninny after you.  What he said was:

"Vaguely noting that "someone" called the Democrats' reactions "'treasonous,'" Trump said he agreed. "I mean, yeah, I guess. Why not? ... Can we call that treason? Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much."

Pedant/

so as you can see, he was ASKING why OTHER PEOPLE shouldn't regard it as treasonous.

Just like when he said he was calling for a muslim ban, wasn't the same as saying that he would do it.... you know, he was just calling for it.

/Pedant

Just to be clear, I'm mocking his apologists on here.  Donny is clearly saying that he thinks it's treasonous (actually a crime) and unAmerican (pretty much the worst thing you can accuse an American of, I believe) not to applaud him - that was the clear message of what he was saying.

The fact that he didn't say that exactly/precisely, is a measure of the fact that he's barely coherent whenever he speaks without a script, and habitually scatters 'I dunno" and "maybe" and "people told me" etc throughout anything he says to avoid being held accountable for the drivvel he's spouting.

Interesting that he's clearly linking the love of America with the love of him.  Wonder if that's the first time he's done that so transparently?  Surely that's on the "potential despot" bingo card somewhere?  All I need now is for him to start wearing a military uniform in public with an impossibly large number of medals.

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">All I need now is for him to start wearing a military uniform in public with an impossibly large number of medals.</span>

Maybe he will start some military parades through Washington to show belief in the true leader.

You're just upset because he's right

Its called respecting the office of the President of the United States, because he's the elected representative of the people, not because you like him or agree with him

As so delicately explained by President Bartlett

Ignorant tightass club eh? I've never heard STW described better 😉

As for lefties making up fake tweets and then repeating them verbatim as if true... I'm sure theres some sort of phrase for that. Still, I guess fake news is permissible as long as it makes your hurted feelings better.

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">You’re just upset because he’s right</span>

If you believe that then you are absolutely nuts.

You could claim that they were disrespectful or not honouring traditions but calling someone a traitor for not being a sycophant really is something reserved for dictators.

Its also rather hypocritical bearing in mind Trumps attacks on Obama

Well.... ok.

good to hear everyone has their priorities in order - admitting sexual assault is ok, but not clapping during the presidents speech is treasonous and un-American.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/16/americans-fake-news-study-339184

TL;DR? People are idiots, but republicans quantifiably moreso. In particular they have a tendency towards labelling news they don't like 'fake news', even if they believe it to be factually accurate. 😕

They're also more motivated by fear.

"<span style="font-family: 'Lyon Text', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 18px;">But </span>several studies show<span style="font-family: 'Lyon Text', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 18px;"> that conservatives tend to be more sensitive to the possibility of danger than liberals are. That helps explain why conservatives endorse policies that minimize the introduction of new, potentially harmful influences to society, like immigration, gay marriage, or comprehensive sex education. “Conservatives approach the situation from the start with greater reactivity to threat, a greater prior belief to the level of danger in the world, so it is logical for the conservative to take more seriously information about hazards than the liberal does,” Fessler told me."</span>

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/why-fake-news-targeted-trump-supporters/515433/

good to hear everyone has their priorities in order – admitting sexual assault is ok, but not clapping during the presidents speech is treasonous and un-American.

I wonder where you would place deliberately withholding key information from the court in order to obtain a surveillance warrant in that spectrum?

Oh look more independent research showing that Trump supporters are credulous idiots.

<span style="color: #121212; font-family: 'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif; font-size: medium;">Low-quality, extremist, sensationalist and conspiratorial news published in the US was overwhelmingly consumed and shared by rightwing social network users, according to new study from the University of Oxford.

</span> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/06/sharing-fake-news-us-rightwing-study-trump-university-of-oxford

Its also rather hypocritical bearing in mind the GOP sat on their hands during Obamas SOTU addresses

FIFY

There is a certain irony to posting the video of David Schwimmer playing Herbert Sobel - A man who was universally loathed by his subordinates as his incompentence was highly likley to get them killed, who was so utterly incompetent in general that even a sucessful suicide proved to be beyond his skill set.

good to hear everyone has their priorities in order – admitting sexual assault is ok, but not clapping during the presidents speech is treasonous and un-American.

I wonder where you would place deliberately withholding key information from the court in order to obtain a surveillance warrant in that spectrum?

Not nearly as bad as jumbling your quotes up with HTML tags, that's for sure.

[quote=Nin]

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">Its called respecting the office of the President of the United States</span>

Respect is earn't not given.

I 'respected' President Obama, because he earnt that respect for being a decent human being by treating people with respect (despite me not necessarily agreeing with some things he said or pushed)

I agree with some (very few) of Trumps policies, but i'm never going to respect him as a President because he fails to respect anyone and everything he deals with.

Take just one thing "Clean Coal".  I mean, WHF if "clean coal"?  That is basically him saying "hey, screw you environment, i'm gonna get richer on the back of your decline"  he has zero respect for anything that doesn't personally earn him money, and yet you think he should be 'respected'?

sorry, but no.

Its also rather hypocritical bearing in mind the GOP sat on their hands during Obamas SOTU addresses

Respect is earned not given.

I ‘respected’ President Obama, because he earnt that respect for being a decent human being by treating people with respect (despite me not necessarily agreeing with some things he said or pushed)

I agree with some (very few) of Trumps policies, but i’m never going to respect him as a President because he fails to respect anyone and everything he deals with.

Take just one thing “Clean Coal”. I mean, WHF if “clean coal”? That is basically him saying “hey, screw you environment, i’m gonna get richer on the back of your decline” he has zero respect for anything that doesn’t personally earn him money, and yet you think he should be ‘respected’?

sorry, but no.

Trump psychological profile: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).
1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.
2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4 Needing constant admiration from others.
5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7 Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs.
8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

You may have forgotten, Donald Trump not only wasn't a member of congress in 2013, but the republican party didn't even want him as their president as recently as 2016 year (hey, many still don't)

...so pointing to the actions of the GOP as in any way connected with the beliefs or action of the God Emperor is pretty facile

Ninny,  it's not the Office Of The President that people are disrespecting.

It's the sack of sh1t currently occupying it.

Pretty obvious really.

Trolling score1/10 must do better.

has he commented on the stock market tumble?

hes usually auto-fellating himself on twitter over his obvious genius being good for america, it seems odd hed be quiet

[b]ninfan[/b] wrote:

Ignorant tightass club eh? I’ve never heard STW described better

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As for lefties making up fake tweets and then repeating them verbatim as if true… I’m sure theres some sort of phrase for that.

satire 😆

You only have to scroll down a couple of cm:

https://twitter.com/ShaunUsher/status/960632508865024000

But Poe's law strikes - I did think about adding a smiley to my original post, but it's so clearly plausible that I thought I'd see who believed it was genuine - I caught a big one! 🙂

Its called respecting the office of the President of the United States

Oh yeah,well the pouting orange knobclanger has disrespected the office from day one,but he doesn't care.

It will be his last chance to make some big money while America burns.

Thankfully it won't buy him what he wants so much,respect and adulation.

I watched the Letterman/Obama chat the other night ,I would love to see the Trumpets attempt at anything close to that.

But the republican party didn’t even want him as their president

they still don’t

and one of the republican authors of that memo has said it does not exonerate Trump

You only have to scroll down a couple of cm:

eh? Can you actually see the pic in that tweet on the STW forum? I assumed you had to click on it to go to Twitter to see it - I certainly can't see it (I actually only posted a link to the tweet, wasn't even expecting the text to appear here). Therefore I expect anybody for whom none of the new forum features works would click on the link to read it on Twitter.

So, no, smartarse, I didn't know that!!!

In any case, it doesn't really change the fundamental point that it's always best to check first before making accusations of fake news.

"All I need now is for him to start wearing a military uniform in public with an impossibly large number of medals "

"Maybe he will start some military parades through Washington to show belief in the true leader."

Wait....what.....?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-marching-orders-to-the-pentagon-plan-a-grand-military-parade/2018/02/06/9e19ca88-0b55-11e8-8b0d-891602206fb7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4678d7652682

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42969566

Panem et circem?

Exactly. All they need is to reintroduce slavery so they have a ready supply of gladiators.

Presumably, anyone who doesn't pay attention to his egregious performances will be accused of disrespecting, er, something or other.

Another opportunity for him to label people as "traitors"...

Hmm.  Perhaps he'll need to formulate some new laws to deal with  these enemies?

Meanwhile,in an otherwise deserted part of America,a government employee is practicing one-shot kills at range,just in case,y'know.