chewy would vote for a monkey wearing a red rosette.
No no he's explained many times that he believes constant flip flopping is the only way for politics to work so he always votes for which ever party is not in power.
Unless it is the Democrats. 😉
Many people vote for the party not the candidate, people vote tactically against a candidate/party
Yeah of course.
And obviously not everyone can agree with everything a candidate stands for.
But even as a tactical vote I wouldn't vote for someone whose views I found repugnant.
But Chewkw seems to be suggesting that doesn't matter, which is what I am querying.
I don't want to read his article or anyone unless I want to. Is that allowed? Is there something new about the world? The people? 😀GrahamS - Member
Jesus just watch the interview - he is Moore's friend. He wrote articles in support of him.
That's exactly why I was asking you chewkw.
Is my opinion important?
Another word I see what I want to see and think what I want to think. Guess again. 😀
The objective is to keep Democrats out regardless while the rest can be dealt with later. Democrats must be kept out at all cost.Are you saying that keeping the Democrats out is so important to you that you would vote for someone whose views you find repugnant?
That depends on how twisted others consider reality. They are who they are because that's their identity and their belief. If people don't agree then don't vote for that candidate. How hard can that be? 😆Or are you just saying you support those views?
Oh ya, whether I support or reject that candidate is irrelevant. 😆
Your point? Does that mean Republican is not the bogeyman everyone makes them out to be? 😛GrahamS - Member
For the record, the exit polls showed 9% of the Republican voters polled didn't vote for Moore:
That is gazillion times better than being told how to think. Think for yourself rather than being told how to think. 😆aracer - Member
Do keep up chaps, chewy would vote for a monkey wearing a red rosette.
But even as a tactical vote I wouldn't vote for someone whose views I found repugnant.
Whereas taking us into an illegal war in iraq......
Oh look, a squirrel
GrahamS - Member
No no he's explained many times that he believes constant flip flopping is the only way for politics to work so he always votes for which ever party is not in power.Unless it is the Democrats.
Yes, that's true in many cases.
Fortunately this is the time to keep Democrats out. They need to wait for their flip flopping turn for many terms. Not their time. World has changed. They messed up.
You keep making the assumption that the person is guilty based on all the allegations.But even as a tactical vote I wouldn't vote for someone whose views I found repugnant.
But Chewkw seems to be suggesting that doesn't matter, which is what I am querying.
You are using that allegations as truth to forward your views?
Unless you can proof that the "allegations" are true, you have just "judged" someone by hearsay. Therefore, in your view "allegations" can now be considered as truth. Where is the line regarding allegations? 😯
Is my opinion important?
We're having a discussion. I kinda think the opinion of the people I'm having a discussion with is pretty much the point of a discussion.
Sorry you value yours so poorly.
Whereas taking us into an illegal war in iraq......
Did he campaign on "Vote for me and I'll take us into an illegal war in Iraq"?
I must have missed that particular Party Political Broadcast. 😀
You keep making the assumption that the person is guilty based on all the allegations.
Cite
I have repeatedly said [b]ignoring the allegations[/b], his stated views are repugnant to me.
so you are querying his reasoningBut Chewkw seems to be suggesting that doesn't matter, which is what I am querying
Can I bet one whole pound his reason is equally unclear - by which i mean completely incomprehensible.
GrahamS - Member
We're having a discussion. I kinda think the opinion of the people I'm having a discussion with is pretty much the point of a discussion.
Does opinion matter in discussion? Do people really want to understand others or are they merely there to "educate" others? I see people as they are with their own opinions and their identities. I prefer them exactly as they are.
Interesting to see the usage of the term "value". Is there a "dominant" value? Is value the cause world problems? Let's give it a thought. 😀Sorry you value yours so poorly.
😯GrahamS - Member
CiteYou keep making the assumption that the person is guilty based on all the allegations.
Actually he has been [i]relatively[/i] clear Junky. I'll quote him as I know you have him blocked.
The objective is to keep Democrats out regardless while the rest can be dealt with later. Democrats must be kept out at all cost.
Which to be fair seems to be in keeping with the exit polls where 8% of those polled who voted for Moore did so despite thinking it was definitely or probably true that he was a child molester.
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Are those exit polls reliable?
GrahamS - MemberActually he has been relative clear Junky. I'll quote him as I know you have him blocked.
Opps quickly delete my response to ...
I thought everyone was having a deep conversation with me. 😆
Are those exit polls reliable?
They reflect the stated views of the 2,387 randomly selected voters who were interviewed.
Not sure we can say much more than that. That's why I am always careful to say "of those polled".
Though unless people were lying (and there appears no obvious reason to lie in a way which make you appear worse than you are) then we know that some people voted for Moore despite believing the allegations.
In the meantime, it appears that the Orange Buffoon and his fellow-travellers are trying to edit some words...
[url= https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-banned-7-words-and-phrases-from-cdc-documents-2017-12 ]Banned[/url]
Next stop books, perhaps. Nice big bonfires...
Tells you everything you need to know, they have to hide the truth and deny it exists as their policy and ideology is based on hate, anger and greed. Like the 1 page budget summary and much more.
Has the Chekbot got a performance review coming up ?
He seems to have sprung into action after a period of inactivity.
I just hope his review is based upon number of words rather than content as his last few posts have been incoherent, rambling and painful to read (even by his standards)
I'm not sure you can defend Trump with coherent structured arguments.
akira
I'm not sure you can defend Trump
EFA.
Nice to see that the President's use of 'all the best words' is trickling down into the world of science.
[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?utm_term=.350dbdc03114 ]CDC told to stop using the term 'evidence based' in its reports[/url]
So, you're not actually following the thread, then... 😐
So, you're not actually following the thread, then...
Oh, missed that, must've skipped some Chewk-contributions and your post was collateral damage.
Well, I AM just a maggot... 😉
It's better then being a bawbag!
One up from a zombie maggot
Boingboing’s take on the CDC depacle:
https://boingboing.net/2017/12/16/party-over-pathogens.html
The world is truly going to Sheol in a handcart...
😐
In a highly ironic twist, Trump's team are squawking about the handover of a trove of potentially dodgy emails from the transition.
This is a fairly concise sum-up of how their former Halliburton/Giuliani stooge lawyer carelessly got ill and died rather than doing his job of keeping Mueller away from them.
https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/942221228483469312
IS that definitely true though it seems to be a claim
It would be deightful if it was true though
This didn't go well:
jeez, that was painful.....
that was a proper kicking
Have you ever been a lawyer - erm not really
DO you know the law ....erm not really
No one needs judges on a steep learning curve about the law !!
TBH US judges are very different from hours. Just look at Disgraced Former Chief Justice Roy Moore.
Are they any good at taking minutes?
I did smile at that, but only for a second
Is that even relevant? The purpose of voting for [s]Republican[/s] Repugnicants is simply to keep Democrats out,
There, FTFY.
Ah well. Thyme files.
Psst! Mueller out on 22nd. Pass it along!
Psst! Mueller out on 22nd. Pass it along!
Mueller already has 50k+ emails that the Trump team thought they had withheld. He's interviewed the whole team while already knowing the answers and by the time Trump can legally fire him he could have most of his team/family arrested. This coming weeks going to be interesting!
It's possible they may undercut him a little by taking out Rosenstein, who appointed him in the first place.
Trump has basically screwed himself the moment he impulsively fired Comey, who was already politically compromised and could be discredited when it suited, which, coupled with Sessions getting himself recused and Rosenstein not being the patsy he was hoping, led to a far more vigorous investigation which can only be derailed at massive political cost.
That, and possibly his associates being arrogant and dumb enough to commit incriminating emails to a .gov server. 😀
That, and possibly his associates being arrogant and dumb enough to commit incriminating emails to a .gov server
A combination of arrogant, stupid and terrible legal advice.
I think the bannonites really did believe his alt-right fantasies of how unnecessary and incompetent civil servants are, maybe they should watch yes minister to find out who the smartest guys in the room are.
mikey74 - Member
This didn't go well:
Yeah but the senator (?) doing the questioning still voted to confirm him
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/economic-optimism-soaring-helping-trump-cnbc-survey.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/us-stock-futures-data-dow-tax-plan-politics-on-the-agenda.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-nyfed/n-y-fed-raises-u-s-fourth-quarter-gdp-growth-view-to-near-4-percent-idUSKBN1E9292?il=0
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But trump has passed no legislation that affects the economy, he inherited a stable economy from Obama and infact in Obama's first year more jobs were created and percentage wise the stock market did better, and all this came from an economy that wasn't in such good shape when he started. So I think you should probably be thanking Obama as Trump hasn't actually done anything and that's probably why the economy is still doing quite well.
It's the economy stupid and he still managed to lose one of the safest GOP senate seats going, that's quite an achievement.
Ninfan if people cared about the economy they wouldn't have voted for Brexit.
Plus America's current economy is not the product of anything Trump has done .
crankboy - Member
Ninfan if people cared about the economy they wouldn't have voted for Brexit.
Plus America's current economy is not the product of anything Trump has done .POSTED 22 SECONDS AGO # REPORT-POST
All people who voted for Brexit/Trump care about is their own 'economy' and not wanting to share it with anyone else.
Anyway, on the subject of ninfan......
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America's current economy is not the product of anything Trump has done
Must be from all that Narco-terror drug money that Obama secretly funnelled to Hezbollah
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/
Can we get a better troll for Christmas, I don't get the same zealous intensity from him anymore. Also he's pretty much trying to dig a hole through the Earth to the Moon with a teaspoon so it's kind of lost the entertainment value. President Bawbag.
"Must be from all that Narco-terror drug money that Obama secretly funnelled to Hezbollah" what has your link got to do with the American economy? Do you believe American economic growth is funded by Hezbollah drug money ?
Very interesting and disturbing link ninfan
Especially as Trump's now effectively shut down the possibility of further investigation as the article points out
budget cuts and dropped investigations are only a few of many challenges made worse by the passage of nearly a year since Trump took office.
Yeah but the senator (?) doing the questioning still voted to confirm him
Peterson has pulled out, not surprisingly.
Why does Trump drink water like a toddler??
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😆
Bob Corker voted no on the tax reform because it would explode the deficit.
Corker voting yes on revised bill which would still explode deficit but now gives cuts to owners of large real estate portfolios.
Bob Corker owns large real estate portfolio.
Hmmmmmmmm.
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2017/12/18/bob-corker-tax-bill-kickback-republicans-respond-302482 ]Corker kickback[/url]
The report noted the Trump family and several congressional Republicans, including Corker, would likely benefit from the language. Corker has accumulated significant wealth through his real estate investments, and he immediately came under fire from the left, which accused him of flipping his vote in favor of the tax bill solely because of the real-estate language.
The US continues it's war-mongering over NK:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42403260/hr-mcmaster-weighs-in-on-north-korea-nuclear-threat ]mcmaster-weighs-in-on-north-korea-nuclear-threat[/url]
He states "North Korea is a grave threat to all civilized people". Is it? Really? Why would NK start a war, even when they have Nuclear capability?
Here's a list of countries that have (or a strongly suspected to have or had) a native nuclear capability in some form or other:
1) USA
2) Russia
3) UK
4) France
5) China
6) India
7) ****stan
8 ) North Korea
9) Israel
10) South Africa
Here's a list of countries that have actually used that capability:
1) USA
Hmmm. who should we be worried about again Mr McMaster?? 😉
The US continues it's war-mongering over NK
They are now saying NK was behind the WannaCry ransomware attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42407488
GrahamS - Member
Why does Trump drink water like a toddler??
Because inside that head, that's what he actually is...
Ooh look. A shiny toy. I want my ketchup. Tweet tweet tweet. Etc.... 😐
Because inside that head, that's what he actually is...Ooh look. A shiny toy. I want my ketchup. Tweet tweet tweet. Etc....
I remember much the same attacks on Bush Jr.
We pretty much constantly heard how stupid and arrogant he was
However, over the years since, all the interviews with people like the former deputy director of the CIA who worked with him day in, day out says he was massively astute, analytical and calm under pressure
another example here:
http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
Highly pertinent question at the end:
[i]if you base your view of President Bush’s intellect on a public image and caricature shaped by late night comedians, op-ed writers, TV pundits, and Twitter, is that a smart thing for you to do?[/i]
Go figure...
Trump on the recent rail crash near Seattle:
A few hours after the crash, Donald Trump cited it as a reason to support his infrastructure plan, tweeting: “The train accident that just occurred in DuPont, WA shows more than ever why our soon to be submitted infrastructure plan must be approved quickly. Seven trillion dollars spent in the Middle East while our roads, bridges, tunnels, railways (and more) crumble! Not for long!”Ten minutes later, he tweeted: “Thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.”
You are quite right of course ninfan.
It would be ridiculously childish and immature to criticise someone for drinking water badly:
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His motor skills definitely flagging.
to criticise someone for drinking water badly:
I particularly liked the fact that the usual suspects have been saying it’s a an early sign of dementia.
Brilliant - they’ve just given The Don the ultimate get out of jail free card for any congressional impeachment hearings over collusion with Russia
“I cannot recall”
Way to play the long game lefties 😆
[i]"Don't you think he looks [url=
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😉
With all the golf he plays, you would think his motor skills should be well honed.
Graham, if you’re having to rely on Dr Who scriptwriters to try and defeat the President, then you might as well pack up and go home 😉
you would think his motor skills should be well honed.
Clearly his inability to grab a bottle of water undermines the claims about all the other things he’s supposed to have grabbed...
US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty, joining Iraq and Saudi Arabia
Quite a piece of work is Trump.
Graham, if you’re having to rely on Dr Who scriptwriters to try and defeat the President, then you might as well pack up and go home
😆 Is that what I'm doing? An enemy of the state? Here I thought I was just laughing at the ironic hypocrisy of President Sippy Cup.
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It's classic Trump - boldly accuse others of doing the very thing that you do yourself.
Clearly his inability to grab a bottle of water undermines the claims about all the other things he’s supposed to have grabbed...
Perhaps he used two (tiny) hands there too.
I'm a big(ly) boy now.
doris5000
Trump on the recent rail crash near Seattle:
Such an endearing trait eh! The bodies aren't even cold yet and he's trying to score points with them........
Poor old ninfan.
I remember much the same attacks on Bush Jr.We pretty much constantly heard how stupid and arrogant he was
However, over the years since, all the interviews with people like the former deputy director of the CIA who worked with him day in, day out says he was massively astute, analytical and calm under pressure
Pathetic really. Not such a clever troll after all.
[url= https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/george-w-bush-donald-trump/amp ]GB2 thinks Trump is a loser, shoka.[/url]
Graham, if you’re having to rely on Dr Who scriptwriters to try and defeat the President, then you might as well pack up and go home
In a beautiful symmetry, you're leading the charge for Trump Supporters, so I guess that's a score draw.
ninfan - Member
to criticise someone for drinking water badly:
I particularly liked the fact that the usual suspects have been saying it’s a an early sign of dementia.Brilliant - they’ve just given The Don the ultimate get out of jail free card for any congressional impeachment hearings over collusion with Russia
“I cannot recall”
Way to play the long game lefties
So, in your pocket universe, anyone who is critical of Trumper and takes the piss is a Leftie, hmmmm?
ninfan -
Graham, if you’re having to rely on Dr Who scriptwriters to try and defeat the President, then you might as well pack up and go home
No-one has to rely on that - he's the most sitting of targets since the Dambusters decided to have a crack at ten thousand tons of sedentary German concrete. The concrete may have been smarter (had it survived).
he's the most sitting of targets since the Dambusters decided to have a crack at ten thousand tons of sedentary German concrete
Required multiple attempts, at huge cost, resulting in a partial but incomplete tactical success from which the damage was repaired in a few weeks and ultimately made no significant strategic difference to the outcome of the war?
he was massively astute, analytical and calm under pressure
ninfan linked to Keith Hennessy to talk about bush, here's what he thinks about Trump.
[url= https://keithhennessey.com/2016/03/30/oppose-donald-trump/ ]I Oppose Donald Trump...[/url]
Required multiple attempts, at huge cost, resulting in a partial but incomplete tactical success from which the damage was repaired in a few weeks and ultimately made no significant strategic difference to the outcome of the war?
Apart from diverting a lot of manpower and resources to rebuild those dams. Manpower and resources that where bing used to build the Atlantic Wall, which was kind of useful when allied troops stormed the beaches in Normandy.
grahamh - Member
Required multiple attempts, at huge cost, resulting in a partial but incomplete tactical success from which the damage was repaired in a few weeks and ultimately made no significant strategic difference to the outcome of the war?
Apart from diverting a lot of manpower and resources to rebuild those dams. Manpower and resources that where bing used to build the Atlantic Wall, which was kind of useful when allied troops stormed the beaches in Normandy.POSTED 1 HOUR AGO # REPORT-POST
Too easy sometimes grahamh!
Still, ninfy will keep on trollin'.
Trollin', trollin'........trollin' on the riv-errrrrrr.
Big wheel keep on turnin'.
Ninfan keeps on trollin'.
Trollin', trollin'......
You get the picture.
What the point engaging he is not as astute as he once was and even he is struggling with this version of defend the indefensible
Some of you need to have a word with yourself for engaging with him though
He's better off here than burning children's books or whatever he does in the real world.
[quote=ninfan ]I particularly liked the fact that the usual suspects have been saying it’s a an early sign of dementia.
Brilliant - they’ve just given The Don the ultimate get out of jail free card for any congressional impeachment hearings over collusion with Russia
“I cannot recall”
Way to play the long game lefties
I particularly like the way you accuse others of not playing the long game, when you can't even manage to work out the implications of your own post - if he plays the dementia card he's toast.