I read that bail was posted at an amount that neither Manafort nor Gates could raise from sources they could legitimately account for.
Chewkw, go contribute to the Ling thread------->. Your work here is done.
RustyNissanPrairie - Member
Chewkw, go contribute to the Ling thread------->. Your work here is done.
I am here way before you at page 8 - Fact! 😆
Where were you then? 😛
[quote=RustyNissanPrairie ]Chewkw, go contribute to the Ling thread------->.
He's been there since page 2
see the chewkwbot provides more food for thought, why now the swap to dem0crat rather than a normal spelling, is it an emphasis or something that has come from the centre to make sure you get paid per post quickly?
As for the content of the charges and who is being implicated it soundly reminds us that Trump has no clue about any of his picks, is a truly incompetent hirer of people, has picked some seriously bad people for very senior jobs [b]OR[/b] is complicit in what they were doing.
You missed an "n" out - its demONcrat
[quote=mikewsmith ]As for the content of the charges and who is being implicated it soundly reminds us that Trump has no clue about any of his picks, is a truly incompetent hirer of people, has picked some seriously bad people for very senior jobs OR is complicit in what they were doing.
Why the OR?
He's been there since page 2
Prove it 😉
ah that would be reading it on my phone...
Ah yes a quick google and the hashtag comes up
A #Demoncrat is hardly a reliable / credible news source.My guess is the fallen soldier DID KNOW WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO...
The thing that strikes me, above everything else, is that DT surrounds himself with selfish, greedy, lying narcissists as a matter of course. I mean, every time anyone who's had contact with DT comes under the spotlight, they seem to have made a huge personal fortune, often illegally, or at the least, immorally it seems?
We often complain that our society is immoral, and yet we demonstrate that if your are immoral enough you might even get to be President.
Think about that for a moment, and consider how you'd like your own children to grow up, and the state of the world they will have to live in......
we are not americans , that society is not ours.
My kids know this.
Well the denials are worth a read for the absurdity of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/trump-reaction-manafort-indictment.html?_r=0
I can see why spicer was hiding in the bushes 😉
Why the OR?
Mostly for the binary thinkers in the group. I except he is both but you can't really defend one without the other being true.
I have no idea which thread you are referring to ... 😛aracer - Member
He's been there since page 2
mikewsmith - Member
... why now the swap to dem0crat ...
Nothing to do with all your assumptions whatever they are. I just want to let everyone knows I refer to the Democrat as [b]Demon[/b]-crat. The party for the Demons. 😆
Not sure what that means but so long as it is Demon that's good enough. 😛tjagain - Member
You missed an "n" out - its demONcrat
Not important at all whether he picks the right people as he is learning to be a good politician. He's good. People like him so will continue to support him. 😛... Trump has no clue about any of his picks, ...
Not important at all whether he picks the right people as he is learning to be a good politician. He's good. People like him so will continue to support him.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Yep holding solid at 37%, for a man who got less votes than his opponent that could signal trouble. As the graph clearly shows less people like him or approve of him than they did so people are not continuing to support him.
But as you say there, the people who do support him don't care that he is incompetent and don't understand what long words like complicit mean.
I guess we need to wait until thurs/fri to see the reflected approval ratings and what impact this has on them.
This Edition of Troll Food was brought to you by Mike.
I suspect when the mid term polls start coming in that the republicans will ditch him - thats if he survives that long
aracer - Member
chewkw » the alternative to President Trump is worst.
Yeah, that's why he hasn't been impeached yet. I'll let you think about it...
I admire your optimism regarding chewcarpet's abilities.
Welcome back chewkw, I see you've been back to fake news central for some reprogramming, hope it wasn't too painful.
Demoncrats eh? I wonder how long it took your handlers to come up with that one, probably a couple of years after they actually learnt how to spell Democrat. Obviously appeals to the radical fundamentalists in the Tea Flake Party.
Nothing will come out of it as it's just another unnecessary hurdle in the life of politician.
Drumpf's not a politician.
Kimbers Trump really has not "colluded with Russia"
Papadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
Manafort was clearly a very well paid lobbyist for Ukraine (which you could legitimately ask if they where acting as a Russian "middleman") which when the Trump team found out about these old connections and activities he was fired.
It is not a massive surprise Russians thought Trump would be more open to ending sanctions than Clinton
Facebook where certainly happy to take the Russians money and ask no questions
Trump couldn't be bothered to check out Manafort before hiring him.
On George http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-31/paul-manafort-george-papadopoulos-cause-trump-grief/9104920
Given George has possibly worn a wire according to some sources we shall wait and see what happens next. The fact there was no leak of the arrest of George is very interesting, that was kept very secret - while he was delivering intel to the prosecution. So everyone he spoke to could now have incriminated themselves - what would they do to avoid prosecution.
TBH Kellyanne Conway was more convincing
Papadoplous was a central part of the campaign meeting with Trump and the rest of the campaign team. He told Trump at a meeting that the Russians had dirt on Clinton
Manafort was a key and central part of the campaign and had been a key worker in Rubublican campaigns since the 70s
Gates was a longstanding and key part of the campaign and still is a part of Trumps entourage
Still - about the usual jamba accuracy
"However, Trump himself had announced Papadopoulos’s appointment as a foreign policy adviser in March 2016, describing him as “an excellent guy”.
Fake NewsPapadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
When trump was asked to name his foreign advisers he named him third so this attempt to downplay his role is a lie. See also the claims of how long he worked for them. It does not help clear up doubts about all this if you continue to lie about it - aimed at trump not you as i have grown used to how often you get facts wrong and how sincerely you believe things that evidence does not support and often refutes fed to you by the alt right.
The facts are out there
Its reasonably true to or worthy of debate as to how much a part of the inner circle he really was but the notion he was at the outer fringes, only volunteering and there for only a month or two is patently false,
[quote=jambalaya ]Papadoplous was an unpaid volunteer who's attempts to pursued the Trump top team to meet his "Russian contacts" where rebuffed
😆 cite
TBH with his record I'm not sure how we can question his judgement
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Ah I've missed jamby just making stuff up, seems like home again. I await his desperate scrambling as trump sinks lower and lower with glee.
How many Trump staffers will be spending today desperately trying to remember when they last spoke to Papadapoulos?
I love the double standards of the Americans complaining about election interference despite their own very dirty dealings in other countries democracies.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html
I can't imagine why they are so unpopular around the world.
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Note Papadoplous and trump are both there and Papadopolous has sworn that at the meeting he told the meeting that Russions had dirt on Clinton
Will probably be a 3 shirt day in the white house...could be getting sweaty and the twitter thumbs will be needing a massage.
Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
tbf jambs is just repeating exactly the PR release from the White House & Fox News
even though Papadopolous has already told the FBI & other evidence has shown otherwise
Note Papadoplous and trump are both there and Papadopolous has sworn that at the meeting he told the meeting that Russions had dirt on Clinton
The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
Also that can't be a "National Security Meeting" as Trump was not president, it's a campaign meeting from a time when Papa was working unpaid on the campaign
As I said above Papa said he could "setup a meeting with the Russians" and the Trump team declined.
jambalaya - Member
Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
Its all gravy to Putin
since the Brexit vote went his way hes not bothered whos PM- weak & wobbly May or Comrade Corbs,
A wise investment a few 1000 facebook trolls & twitter bots helped Vote Leave weaken the UK & the EU!
Also that can't be a "National Security Meeting" as Trump was not president, it's a campaign meeting from a time when Papa was working unpaid on the campaign
that was what Trump called his national security council
and unpaid by Trump or by the Russians? 😉
The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
really...
First lot were Jeb Bush, they paid for the initial look, the dossier came from a UK Source.
Looks like the Trump lot got their intel directly from the KGB/FSB/Putin as they chose to divulge it. The drop of emails via WikiLeaks is heavily suspicious in the narrative especially given the members of the trump team who spoke directly with them.
One cracked, 2 in court facing ruin, given the backbone of most of them and the principles they hold I'm not sure how many will back trump over themselves.
Manafort and Gates are facing serious jailtime - like decades. I am sure they will spill the dirt on Trump in a plea bargain
[quote=jambalaya ]As I said above Papa said he could "setup a meeting with the Russians" and the Trump team declined.
You did, and I asked you to cite* and you haven't.
* which is of course also an abbreviation...
also the email chain that papadopolous is in with Gates, Manafort and presumably Lewandoski & clovis (campaing chair & co-chair) has them saying that Trump himself cant meet Putin it has to be
[t][u]here are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.[/u]”May 21. Papadopoulos emails another high-ranking campaign official — Manafort, according to The Post’s August report — informing him that “Russia has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and have been reaching out to me to discuss.”
Manafort forwards the email to Rick Gates (who was also indicted on Monday). “We need someone to communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips,” he writes. “It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.
Senior members of the campaign openly discussing using dirt on hillary from the russians & meeting them
of course trump could deny all knowledge, though of course he did brag a few days later that the Russians have Hilarys emails, wonder how he found that out....
[quote=jambalaya ]Look the Russians would rather Jeremy Corbyn was PM but that doesn't mean people should not vote Labour.
true but if the Russians channelled money to help him win and he did are you really trying to say you would care this little? would accept it was "just a volunteer"
the reality is the right are making excuses because they won not because it is ok. Its not right for russia to help any politician win. there is no whatabouteery to be employed here. Its about the sovereign state and faith in the democracy and that is more important than petty politics. My lord i am more patriotic than right wing folk, Astounding.
Dig for dirt does not mean fabricate 😯 Again the issue is not did they both do this the issue is did Hilary engage the russian state in order to do this. Who did they do it with and by what methods. Why can you not understand this simple distinction ?The Clinton campaign paid for a "dig (fabricate) the Russian dirt" on Trump
You know you can actually ready the PAPADOPOULOS Statement of Offense online here?
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download
Makes it pretty clear that the "oh he was just some lowly campaign volunteer" defence is weak:
PAPADOPOULOS learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016; [b]the professor only took interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS because of his status with the Campaign;[/b] and the professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when defendant PAPADOPOULOS had been a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign for over a month.
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PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials
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Initially, the Professor seemed uninterested in defendant PAPADOPOULOS. However, [b]after defendant PAPADOPOULOS informed the Professor about his joining the Campaign, the Professor appeared to take great interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS[/b].
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On or about March 31, 2016, [b]defendant PAPADOPOULOS attended a "national
security meeting"[/b] in Washington, D.C., with then-candidate Trump and other foreign policy advisors for the Campaign. When defendant PAPADOPOULOS introduced himself to the group, he stated, in sum and substance, that he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate Trump and President Putin.
After his trip to Washington, D.C., defendant PAPADOPOULOS worked with the
Professor and the Female Russian National to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government, and [b]took steps to advise the Campaign of his progress.[/b]
Odd that he would continue to advise the campaign of his progress setting up a meeting when they claim to have declined it.
Why can you not understand this simple distinction ?
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https://dc.liveuamap.com/en/2017/30-october-us-district-court-for-dc-has-four-sealed-cases
Interesting. Every case filed at court is given a docket number. Looks like Mueller's team may have four additional cases lodged with the court in between Papadopoulos and Manafort. It's possible that someone else nipped into the queue and filed them, of course.
Any nominations? Flynn, presumably.
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jagain - MemberManafort and Gates are facing serious jailtime - like decades.
they're rich white guys, with connections. Serious jailtime? my cynicism is kicking in...
they will do a plea bargain to get low sentences as Papadoplous has done
10 minutes inside is too long for some of the rich white guys there. I'm guessing they have zero loyalty to the Orange prick once they know he is done. It's a deal not a relationship.
They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I'm sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he's like.
They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I'm sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he's like.
Trumps so far up his own ego even if he is getting fed slop from the prison canteen it won't be his fault. What he has done is go from an enviroment where he is God to an accountable world called planet earth and he was sheilded from planet earth from his birth.
He is still a colossal Arse and deserves his comeuppance he won't go to prison unless it's for treason as that's the only thing the alt right will allow the great white hope being sent down for as its so against the murica way.
If Putin is behind all this and I think he maybe the man will go down as one the most astute political players of the last 100 years. He really has pulled an ace from up his sleeve while the west snoozed. Not bad for a thug who was less than remarkable at his job before he got into elected politics.
You have to blame the Internet for all this and the ease of getting news out independently you have to wonder how much has been hidden under layers of press gagging orders in years gone by, trump will not be the only iffy politician that's ever served in public
Western politics currently making some African politicians look squeaky clean.
Manafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?
Also interesting that Popadopolous tweeted pic of himself in London few days ago, that pic was taken just before a referendum we had last year, wonder who he was meeting farage, Assange? 😆
Murkier & Murkier
Of course it's Putin, I forget the name but it stems from a doctrine written in the 70s about sowing social/political discord.
An updated version was written in 2013 [url= https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538 ]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538[/url]
kimbers - MemberManafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?
while awaiting trial. If found guilty of the charges they would be looking at long jail sentences
Meanwhile I hope the uk is upping its electronic defence. And where is trump today has someone hid his phone
Surely it can't be coincidence that jamba and chewy are back at the same time?
I love the double standards of the Americans complaining about election interference despite their own very dirty dealings in other countries democracies.
The cia was first set up to influence the post war italian election so that the communists didnt win
Just a quick thought, but...... the preverbal is starting to hit the fan for Trump and his gang, and the noose is starting to tighten? Well, lets hope so.... but here's the thing. Trump and his gang like a good diversion in time of perceived crisis.....so......what the hell his he going to do to divert attention away from the current news cycle?
A terrorist attack.
Just saying...
and not that any of this will matter to Trump
Mr. Saipov came to the United States from Uzbekistan in 2010, and had a green card that allowed permanent legal residence. He had apparently lived in Paterson, N.J., and Tampa, Fla. An official said Mr. Saipov rented a truck from a Home Depot in Passaic, N.J., where a white Toyota minivan believed to be his was found parked.
Not from his banned or enhanced check list of countries
Been there for 7 years peacfully
Perhaps another time where the US needs to look inwards not outwards to understand its problems.
Love that pro-trump rallies/flash mobs were actualy organised by russians!
You know I think a beer with Vlad could be quite interesting, he certainly seems to have a sense of humour.
If the objective was the nullify and disrupt the US it's working a treat.
its a win win for vlad what he wants to do is to destroy the confidence in the system/faith in the US and that has been achieved whether trump colluded or not.
With trump in power he also has the added bonus of the west being divided and trump isolating the US more - both through choice in terms of protectionism and just because no one wants to cosy up to him as he is odious.
Its quite clever [ Machiavellian] to use democracy against democracy and sow the seeds of dissent and distrust. They have done it very very well.
Surprised FB is getting away with all of this - apart from here i dont do social media but they seem to be complicit in it all
I worry when folk get all their " news" from the internet its an echo chamber of confirmation bias propped up by fake news and not at all fact based.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/sam-clovis-department-of-agriculture/index.html
Greek media reporting that papadoplous worked for Trump for much longer than Trump claims
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Well seems like he is back in the sexual harrassment/abuse game too
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/trumps-female-accusers-feel-forgotten-a-lawsuit-may-change-that.html
I hope they get what they want in that one. Death by a thousand cuts seems to be the best approach
Sessions feeling the heat today
Former twitter employee (on their last day) deleted his account for 11, glorious, minutes.
Ensures he never has to buy another drink in a pub/bar ever again
Trump's denial that he knows nothing about Russia contact's at odds with Papadopoulos testimony- that he wanted to set up Russia deal- at the Trump towers meeting, also backed up by others present.
Trump's denial that he knows nothing about Russia contact's at odds with Papadopoulos testimony- that he wanted to set up Russia deal- at the Trump towers meeting, also backed up by others present.
The biggest thing about all these populist politicians, is that they actually don't give a flying **** about how "great" their respective country's could be, they don't care about education or health care or even the actual standard of living, they would rather cripple those who they are compared to rather than do the real work make their own country's better. They would rather win a 15 second race than come second in a 10 second race.
Yep the guy with 'one of the greatest memories' suddenly can't remember what was discussed in that meeting..
Former twitter employee (on their last day) deleted his account for 11, glorious, minutes.
If only...
Sessions is toast. 2 sets of evidence given under oath contradicting each other
Must be very worrying times in the Whitehouse, everyone of them will have taken a bribe somewhere, not least trump himself who's had decades in the corrupt NY property business, not to mention his dubious foreign ventures.
And then there's the ones that may have taken cash or info on Hillary from the Russians....
Would love Manafort to see some proper jail time,not just to make the rest of them sweat but he's douchebag
Trumps well toasted....
The amount of detail in the indictments showing the money movements and shell companies etc sorta shows they are really digging into the detail.
Should be very interesting reading when Trumps details get released to the public.
Good timing as well as he’s on his tour ,
bet he’s really enjoying this, I don’t think I’d get under the spotlight of politics if I had any skeletons in my cupboard but hey ho these people seem to be strangely naive or arrogant.
How much did Putin spend to get Trump into power?
then of course... the remix
Meuller has Trumps tax returns 😆
https://www.ft.com/content/b44507f8-c08e-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111
This week Mr Trump said that he barely knew Mr Manafort before he became his campaign manager. In fact, they were introduced in 1979 by Roy Cohn, the legendary New York lawyer, who was Mr Trump’s mentor, and who represented the city’s largest mafia figures, including John Gotti and Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno. Mr Trump used Salerno’s construction company, S & A Concrete, to build many of his towers. When Mr Manafort set up his lobbying firm in 1980, Mr Trump was his first client. The firm’s first job was to lobby Atlantic City to dredge its waterway to accommodate Mr Trump’s yacht, the Trump Princess.
Mr Cohn, who was disbarred from practising law for witness tampering and perjury, introduced Mr Trump to Rupert Murdoch in the 1970s. Mr Murdoch’s media outlets are now relentlessly casting doubt on Mr Mueller’s objectivity. In an ironic twist, it was Mr Mueller who led the FBI investigation that resulted in the conviction of John Gotti in 1992, which remains the largest mafia scalp in history.
America and the world are watching the Mueller probe unfold with the fascination viewers once held for weekly episodes of The Sopranos. In his indictment, it was alleged that Mr Manafort used methods reminiscent of organised crime to launder his money. For example, he spent almost $1.4m on clothes and another $934,000 on antique carpets. Even Mr Manafort’s pompadour hairstyle fits the bill. “Sophisticated Russian and Chinese buyers use limited liability companies to disguise their names and convert their cash into property,” said a New York lawyer. “The mob prefers to keep their assets liquid by buying cars, clothes and the like.”
Roy Cohn in 1964. The legendary New York lawyer introduced Donald Trump to Paul Manafort in 1979
In the coming weeks, we will learn a great deal more about how Mr Trump has handled his money. Mr Mueller is already thought to be sifting through Mr Trump’s tax records, which he has refused to disclose. He is also looking at the finances of Jared Kushner, Mr Trump’s son-in-law, whose declared net worth — together with his wife — is at least $241m. His father, Charlie Kushner, was jailed in 2005 for witness tampering and tax evasion.Mr Mueller’s probe is as tentacular as Mr Trump’s business history. Whether he can prove Mr Trump directly colluded with Russia — let alone submit a charge sheet for impeachment — is secondary at this point. The world is being offered an X-ray vision of Mr Trump’s circle that tarnishes America’s values. “From China or Russia’s point of view, the Mueller probe is the gift that keeps on giving,” said the former Bush official.
And his administration keeps getting more stupid
[url= http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/358640-epa-names-industry-state-officials-to-advisory-boards ]New chairman of Trump EPA science board says air quality in the US is too clean[/url]
Another member of Trump's campaign changing his story on meeting Russians
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/us/politics/trump-campaign-page-russian.html?