[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/trump-assange-bannon-farage-bound-together-in-unholy-alliance?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other ]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/trump-assange-bannon-farage-bound-together-in-unholy-alliance?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other[/url]
Excellent article on how Farage keeps popping up in the middle of everything
Excellent article on how Farage keeps popping up in the middle of everything
No matter how many times you flush...
It feels like the 60s and 70s when the heart of the British establishment were KGB moles.
I'm enjoying the blind panic among the Trump minions and the man himself. Judging by the moral integrity of his inner circle any of them will squeal given the opportunity.
IF it all goes tits up for Trump, how long will it take? Will it be like the Berlin Wall coming down which seemed to happen overnight or will it drag on.
Who knows. The 14 options article posted on the previous page was interesting reading and outlined some of the possibilities. It seems they almost completely rule out some options, but we're still left with anything between him deciding to resign tomorrow morning when he realises the writing's on the wall and he can't be bothered fighting, or a long drawn out process of impeachment with him fighting every step of the way (and it seems unlikely such a process could even start yet, no matter how good evidence there is against him). Or he might just get lucky, succeed at something and be re-elected in 2020.
His history of pay out rather than go to court doesn't suggest he's a fan of long drawn out investigations. If it gets too hot my guess is he'll bow out and then blame everyone but himself, hopefully taking Pence down with him.
We've already seen that they're preparing for the long game with the whole Fake News and now Fake Investigations (Hilary and Uranium lead by Nunes)
It'll take either something coming out that even his (mental) base believe or the GOP deciding to save their own skin/party and impeach but the chances of that happening are slim as Pence, Ryan and McConnell are all implicated
And things just got even better..
[url= https://twitter.com/DearAuntCrabby/status/924659742945042433 ]Mexico hits back.[/url]
Sauce? Other than Twitter, I mean.
Mentioned in Reuters and various other publications, also looking at possible trade deals with China and others trump has annoyed.
All those links are from around April and say Mexico and Argentina are in talks. I haven't seen anything about something actually happening.
Cyclists! Even when you give them more than 1.5m passing space they're not happy
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/29/hail-to-the-chief-cyclist-gives-trump-the-middle-finger?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
His bodyguards should have battered her then sent her to Guantanamo for such disrespect to the president.
And we are off. He has started on Twitter.
That cyclist deserves a medal.
This is only the beginning
Ultimately the Meuller stuff might not amount to much, but Trump throwing everything he can at the Hillary/Dems/ starting a war with n.Korea, whatever it takes to distract from this
A\ makes him look like he does have something to hide
B\ drags America down with him further
IF it all goes tits up for Trump, how long will it take? Will it be like the Berlin Wall coming down which seemed to happen overnight or will it drag on.
Depends on what dates David hasselhoff has free in his diary.
It really depends who turns on him and what they have. If they go after his kids he might take the hint, the prospect of Little Donny and is son in law up on charges may force him to think about it. Anyway can't wait to see what drops
I'm interested in what happens if they go after Bannon - I feel like he knows where the (proverbial and maybe even literal) bodies are buried.
He also seems like they guy that would sell-out quickest.
Obviously I'd love for them to go for Farage. Pleasepleasepleaseplease....
His bodyguards should have battered her then sent her to Guantanamo for such disrespect to the president.
Nah, they are probably thinking "Good on you lass. We have to put up with him all day."
Here we go, Manafort has been ordered to surrender to federal authorities
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html
Hopefully
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FAKE NEWS
HILARY- LOCK HER UP
SAD
Gates has been seen around the WH as recently as June [url= https://www.thedailybeast.com/despite-russia-controversy-paul-manaforts-partner-is-still-lurking-around-the-white-house ]https://www.thedailybeast.com/despite-russia-controversy-paul-manaforts-partner-is-still-lurking-around-the-white-house[/url]
NYT profile [url= https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/rick-gates-russia.html ]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/rick-gates-russia.html[/url]
Manaforts in big trouble even without Trump/Russia, will be interesting to see what hes charged with
meanwhile in the white house
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http://newsthump.com/2017/10/30/donald-trump-has-no-idea-paul-manafort-was-arrested-after-morning-spent-watching-fox-and-friends/
Paul J. Manafort, Jr., 68, of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, 45, of Richmond, Va., have been indicted by a federal grand jury on Oct. 27, 2017, in the District of Columbia. The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.
"Paul J. Manafort, Jr., 68, of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, 45, of Richmond, Va., have been indicted by a federal grand jury on Oct. 27, 2017, in the District of Columbia."The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts."
full case here
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
Doesn't matter what you get them for sometimes
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Wonder what the plea bargains will look like
I suspect a thin skinned orange man child with teeny hands is equally interested
Nothing there to implicate trump which he will mention endlessly without addressing who he used as his campaign manager.
I assume manafort has gone from a great man to a bad man.Sad.
has tiny hands been near his phone yet?
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Baw and what's the other bit, oh yes Bag.
I'd imagine Trump's lawyers have taken away his phone and given him the emergency Alvin and the Chipmunks phone.
The day care workers are definitely in today
apparently Trump has accquired 400,000 new twitter foloowers in the last couple of days
its march of the distraction bots time!
I think the plea bargains might prove very interesting
president can pardon them though and claim - to hi sbretherne who seem deeply into fake news despite their outpouring- he did it to stop the democrats end the witch hunt or some such trumpian ruse*
* means lies so shit even a child is laughing at them
This is probably bigger news: George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor for Trump campaign, secretly pleaded guilty [url= https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf ]https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf[/url]
unsealed just now. It makes reference to a female Russian national who can only be the Lawyer Don Jr met with
what else did papadopolous give up about trump then?
kimbers - Member
what else did papadopolous give up about trump then?
The fact its a one and done charge, probably everything
Edit looks like he has
Pete Williams on MSNBC:
Papadopolous was arrested back on July 27, after returning to the country from London. He's cooperated with the authorities ever since.
Double edit further down the rabbit hole
Matthew Miller
@matthewamiller
The FBI interview where Papadopolous lied about his Russia contacts came on the same day, Jan. 27, Trump asked Comey for a loyalty pledge.
yep its looking like papadopolis may have sunk trump?
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/924988111880417280
gets interesting from about 70/
72/ If Trump ordered the GOP platform change after Papadopoulos laid out the Kremlin's interest in him—and he did—collusion has been proven.
my predictions is that Trump will go down kicking and screaming
No shit Sherlock 😉
easiest prediction ever
So in summary Trump colluded with the Russians to gain votes and win the Presidency?
this meeting at trump tower 1 month after the guy 3rd from left met with putins niece & russian ambassador (and later said hed not)
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Thank you kimbers and mehr, I've spent a good hour reading through those tweets and that Papadopoulos statement.
The investigation has been quietly gathering evidence for some time now, it's beyond question that Trump knew about collusion with Russians and that the timing of this was prior to the hacking of Clinton's emails, so it would appear that a quid pro quo agreement was in place before this happened (during the campaign, Trump alluded none too discretely that perhaps Russian hackers might like to dig dirt on Clinton).
We already have a GOP at war with itself. Sooner or later, the rank and file will have to make a choice as to whether to back Trump, or disavow him (and by extension Pence and the remnants of the Tea Party movement). Bannon appears to have planned for Trump's fall from office, no sane person would've bet the farm on Trump lasting in office a full term (in a recent interview, Bannon himself gave Trump a 30% chance of making it to January 2021 as president). It's certain to get very, very ugly.
102/ I want to make a perhaps obvious point: were Trump not a narcissist, we might expect him to resign the presidency this week. He's done.
I said about 3-4 months ago in this thread Drumpf would be done in 6 months. I honestly would still be surprised if I am right.
This is probably new thread worthy but a follow up from Peter Jukes on the Farage story I posted before
[url= https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/924563740778954752 ]https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/924563740778954752[/url]
Scary shit, if true (which I suspect it is)
this meeting at trump tower 1 month after the guy 3rd from left met with putins niece & russian ambassador (and later said hed not)
Are you jivebunny?
Ban on transgender troops also blocked today as it ‘does not appear to be supported by any facts’
Are you jivebunny?
Once Trump is out of the picture we can focus on that whole Farage/Putin/Brexit thing !!!
my predictions is that Trump will go down kicking and screaming
Trump is going no where. He’ll be President to the end of his term and then decide whether to run again.
We will see what else the FBI raise but so far it seems the Republicans have done much the same as did the Democrats - try and dig dirt on the opposition.
Jamba - he is patently unfit and in breach of various bits of the co0nstitution - and this investigation is nothing to do with the democrats its the dept of justice. Its the lying that will get him and now we have sworn testimony of at least one lie
BTW this guy was hired by Trump for less than two months and then quit/was fired
TJ I get most people think he’s nuts but for me and for most others it was two horrible candidates. The Americans decided he was the least bad. As above the Democrats and Clinton in particular where equally bad.
Anyway we shall see, IMO President Trump is going nowhere
the assertion concerns who they were digging with not whether other were also digging.so far it seems the Republicans have done much the same as did the Democrats - try and dig dirt on the opposition.
I very much doubt the trump supporters would be saying the same thing were the situation reversed and russian state agencies helped* him Hilary win with fewer votes.
they did not as he did not get the majority of votes of americans- imagine if he wont he vote and lost the presidency what he would be saying now still!The Americans decided he was the least bad
I think we all agree both candidates had weaknesses, massive ones.
* this is not in dispute the only dispute is on collusion which is not proven at this point.
Junkyrd - my reading of Popandopolous statement is that he has certainly admitted collusion with the Russians
Jamba - its the ignoring of the constitution - like foreign paymasters that will get him that and the repeated lies. the republicans will ditch him at some point - probably after the midterms
jambalaya - Member
TJ I get most people think he’s nuts but for me and for most others it was two horrible candidates. The Americans decided he was the least bad
😆 more voted for Hilary
Also he is not "nuts" - he has a narcissistic personality disorder. Its a mental defect not a mental illness
Sorry more clearly whether trump and his campaign team were actively engaged in it or whether they were ignorant of it - neither particularly paints them in a good light but the point is there is , as yet, no proof the president knew. Certainly some his family were happy to see if they could - not sure ineptitude is a defence- but the person was not up to their promises.he has certainly admitted collusion with the Russians
Yes campaign team actively involved - thats my reading of his statements / admission. NO direct link to Trump yet but Manafort is going to have to plea bargain or face a long time in jail - and I can see him spilling the beans in exchange for leniency
I think now it's not a case of whether Trump knew about it but whether it can be proved. If it comes anywhere near looking like he'll face charges then he'll scarper.
Papadopoulos attended a national security meeting [b]with Trump[/b] and other advisers, at which Papadopoulos stated that he “could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate Trump and President Putin”.
Anyway we shall see, IMO President Trump is going nowhere
I'll file that one along with predictions of May's 150 seat Tory landslide 😉
I think you will find the claim was 75 😉
jambalaya - Member
BTW this guy was hired by Trump for less than two months and then quit/was fired
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Hired in march, fired in august. Not two months. Fakenews.
He could have been hired for 2 hours for all it matters, it's what he did in those 2 hours / months that matters, and that looks very interesting.
ye what he did in those two months and why they hired him are the real questions
Still not enough to prove Trump knew but I agree that manafort may well start throwing folk under a bus to protect himself - though I assume Donny will promise him a pardon for silence - at the end of his only term.
Interesting times ahead but o think we have all largely understood what has happened and dug into our trenches so the only real issue is whether the Republicans do anything. I think it harms them long term to ignore this personally as its just not a party political issue its a sovereignty of the nation issue and putting party before country will be a long term grave mistake.
President Trump will remain the President of USA for two terms easy because people will continue to support him.
Not one term but Two.
The people know that DemOncrat will only bring hardship to them, hence DemOncrat is out for a long time, very long time.
Hilary Clinton should remain in the media to lead DemOncrats to insult the President of USA.
All the current media circus will have No impact whatsoever on President Trump remaining as the President of USA.
wrong thread !
jambalaya - Member .Anyway we shall see, IMO President Trump is going nowhere
This post make me happy.
‘Why?!’ I hear you ask.
I point you to page 1 of this thread....
jambalaya - Member
Novelty value only, he has no chance of being elected
President Trump will remain the President of USA for two terms easy because people will continue to support him
It wouldn't surprise me, despite this, which kinda proves the point..
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No impact whatsoever for the supporters because the idea is to keep demOncrats out at all cost, the alternative to President Trump is worst. 🙂mattyfez - Member
It wouldn't surprise me, despite this, which kinda proves the point..
All those negative talks and scaremongering will have no impact whatsoever other media circus, because life goes on as normal. 😛
Hopefully karma catches up with trump and he gets what he deserves for all the people he's swindled, sexually assaulted, ruined, bankrupted and generally been a bawbag.
Akira - I think he is toast and will end up in jail. Too many powerful enemies made and too many laws broken
chewk the american people have had their say, its the american legal system thats now calling the shots and Trump has colluded with a foreign power to sway the election
he is the swamp
as for this guy only working for him for a few months, parroting the trump teams press releases isnt very smart as theyve already been shown as lies... according to seth abramson-
Papadopoulos had a "limited" campaign role. FALSE. He was a top adviser and a primary liaison to other nations on Trump's Russia policy.Papadopoulos went overseas for Trump and was one of the *only* NatSec team members kept on when the team disbanded in late July of 2016.
Papadopoulos was giving interviews on Trump's Russia policy to Russian media as late—possibly later—than *late September of 2016*.
All told, George Papadopoulos worked for Trump for *at least* seven months of the eleven-month campaign primary/general "voting" season.
Papadopoulos' outreach on the Kremlin's behalf was "repeatedly denied." FALSE. At all turns he was openly, clearly encouraged by emails.
Papadopoulos had no role in extra-campaign outreach. FALSE—he went to Israel for Trump, talked to Russian media for Trump and much else.
And of course we know from his sworn plea docs that "high-ranking campaign officials" authorized him to speak to (other) Kremlin agents.
[quote=chewkw ]the alternative to President Trump is worst.
Yeah, that's why he hasn't been impeached yet. I'll let you think about it...
We don't seem to have covered this - it seems to have only just popped up on the news:
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/925029460142944258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Papadopoulos is described as "proactive cooperator." Former prosecutor tells me that sometimes means "wore a wire."
akira - Member
Hopefully karma catches up with trump and he gets what he deserves for all the people he's swindled, sexually assaulted, ruined, bankrupted and generally been a bawbag.
Karma is heading to Hollywood ... 😛
kimbers - Member
chewk the american people have had their say, its the american legal system thats now calling the shots and Trump has colluded with a foreign power to sway the election
Nothing will come out of it as it's just another unnecessary hurdle in the life of politician. No big deal.
Colluded with foreign power that is so funny. 😆
If the American people don't like what President Trump is doing no amount of colluding in this world can make him a President. Nothing.
Make friends with Russia ... the world ... who cares. 😆
How many times do people have to keep talking about impeachment? Bring it on. 😆aracer - Member
Yeah, that's why he hasn't been impeached yet. I'll let you think about it...
Manafort bail set at $10m
Seeing as Russia paid him $75m (brought to America thru offshore dodginess) is that about right?
He & Gates gonna be sweating in the pen wondering who's gonna grass first and what popadopolous has already said....
On the potentially wearing a wire people are saying that's why this article came way out of left field [url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.43efe630ec25 ]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.43efe630ec25[/url]
The train of thought is he met up/called people to say he was arrested so they tried to throw him under the bus