Why is the director of the FBI investigating the president over links with ****

Really? that's news - if you remember, It's been specifically denied that the president himself is under investigation, not though you'd likely know that if your main source of information was the independent or guardian.

oh gosh this is embarrassing ninfan...

the letter appointing the special counsel(sic)

says Trumps campaign and anything to do with it so .... id say that covers the tangerine racist

you can see it here
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/17/us/politics/document-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html?_r=0

I think the phrasing was more like there wasn't a specific investigation into Trump himself. But implication (and we know you like reading between the lines) that there was an investigation in general, and that Trump might well be implicated in that.

Dubitat, nisi qui nescit.

Insert jar of straws pic later...
What isn't under investigation?
The AG?
The former security advisor who had many security problems that were flagged before he was offered the job?
The cover up?
The fact really big issues were communicated and it had to be leaked before he was fired?
The attempts to stop an investigation?
Still must be nice to be so popular.

It's business the buck stops with the boss. In this case there is a bonus of some nice charges in there too, think jarred can throw the old man under the bus to save his own skin?

kimbers - Member

theres even a recording of senior reps in 2016 discussing whether Trump is in the pay of Putin

Did you see the response?
"McCarthy would never say that, this is ridiculous, flat denial"
"We have a recording of this thing that never happened"
"EDINBURGH DEFENCE!"

But implication

Ah, so now your case against Trump is falling down to what's is and was [i]implied,[/i] rather than what's actually happening 😆

in ninfanlandia is trumps approval rating actually at a record high?

That's about as good as having to call Vladimir as your character witness to tell everyone you didn't blurt out what you said you did that your press sec denied but was later contradicted by a tweet and by whatever else.....

If your investigation includes sessions and flynn then it includes the person who hired them.

"any links and/or coordination between the Russian Government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump"

so unless The Don wasn't involved in his own campaign...

Ah, so now your case against Trump is falling down to what's is and was implied, rather than what's actually happening

so are you suggesting his administration is being investigated but by implication he isn't?

Given the way you have sidestepped out of ambiguous phrasing in the past (calling for.... seems to stick in the mind) - pot and kettle?

[quote=ninfan ]Really? that's news - if you remember, It's been specifically denied that the president himself is under investigation

cite

It was a very good source
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39886496
Guess who said the FBI were not investigating him?
The FBI says it does not comment on ongoing investigations.

Well if Trump said it then it must be true, cos he's never lied, made stuff up, misunderstood stuff, quoted lies, been taken in by others lying to him or just generally bawbagged around. Any other people saying he's not being investigated? 7,505,409,010 to 1 then, busy I guess people will still side with Trump.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/11/trump-not-personally-under-investigation/

A week out of date though

As a special counsel, Mr. Mueller can choose whether to consult with or inform the Justice Department about his investigation. He is authorized to investigate “[b]any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump[/b],” according to Mr. Rosenstein’s order naming him to the post, as well as other matters that “may arise directly from the investigation.” He is empowered to press criminal charges, and he can request additional resources subject to the review of an assistant attorney general.

he was part of his campaign.

😆

Keep digging, while the rest of us watch your conspiracy theory gradually fall apart at the seams

And since you are dubious of the MSM sources ninfan:

According to his order of appointment, Mueller’s purview will include all FBI investigation into:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. §600.4(a).

Regulation 28 C.F.R. §600.4(a) is part of the federal regulations authorizing special counsels. It expands a special counsel’s jurisdiction to all crimes, such as perjury or obstruction of justice, that interfere with his original named responsibility.

Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/special-counsel-will-oversee-russia-investigation/

Keep digging, while the rest of us watch your conspiracy theory gradually fall apart at the seams

Keep digging, while the rest of us watch your conspiracy theory gradually fall apart at the seams

we dont have to dig- the orange f--knugget just tweets out something stupid and another judge fires up another investigation, cue trump wailing about how unfair it all is and tweeting off another crisis for his PR team to deal with 🙂

So already there is documented evidence showing concerns over Flynn's suitability were ignored before he was appointed.

And on whose watch was Flynn given security clearance under? 😆

We have possible evidence of pressuring the FBI to stop looking.

ah, [i]"possible"[/i] 😆 lets just slot that in the same big bag of big scary 'woo' words as "implied" and "potential" shall we 😉

Meanwhile, Ninfan's link that he claims proves Trump isn't under investigation actually says:

"two top senators — Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein — briefed last week by Mr. Comey on the broad scope of his investigation said he gave them no indication the president is a target.

“Sen. Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the president’s statement,” Mr. Grassley said."

implies, possible...

And on whose watch was Flynn given security clearance under?

FWIW I didn't say implied, I said implicated.

cant wait to see what the subpoenas dig up from this

tax returns anyone?

secret recordings?

comedy gold awaits us!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN18E106

[quote=ninfan ]And on whose watch was Flynn given security clearance under?

Let me guess - somebody who's campaign isn't under investigation?

Well if Trump said it then it must be true, cos he's never lied, made stuff up, misunderstood stuff, quoted lies, been taken in by others lying to him or just generally bawbagged around.

You are the ninfan/chewbot and I claim my 5 roubles

good summary here of how trump has managed to get himself in this mess and just seems to keep on digging

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/18/trump-is-totally-delusional-about-whats-happening-to-him-right-now/?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.a392e55ff820

and for ninfan, explains what and who is being investigated

Damnit bigbutslimmerbloke you caught me out. Think I was being too subtle. All Hails the Trump, he can do no wrong and will live forever and anyone who says anything against him is lying unless he then tweets an admission then he's allowed to do it and they're just jealous of his orangey, flabby, idiotic, fat headed.....nope can't even pretend he's not an idiot.

I'm stil not quite sure what you're trying to say ^^^^ 😉

Perfect ninfan facsimile then. My work here is done.

ninfan - Member

And on whose watch was Flynn given security clearance under?

He was encouraged to retire from the Defense Intelligence Agency under Obama's watch.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn#Defense_Intelligence_Agency ]He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency
...
Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with facts, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts".[/url]

To answer your question then, it was on Trump's watch that he was given security clearance.

“I respect the move, but the entire thing has been a witch hunt. There is no collusion – certainly myself and my campaign – but I can always speak for myself and the Russians – zero,” he said at a joint press conference with the Colombian president, Juan Manuel Santos.

The bus is rolling and the victims are being lined up...

I'm looking forward to DT being out of the country next week for several reasons:

1) He doesn't want to go.
2) The opportunities for him to f-up are enormous. I take no pleasure in this, only that with every balls-up, maybe that's a few more Americans having the scales fall from their eyes.
3) I have a feeling there might be a few well-timed "developments" while he's out of town.

I wonder how many people will point out that the hotel rooms might have hiddem cameras on the trip...
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-05-18/donald-trumps-first-foreign-trip-a-guided-tour
To be honest it reads like a list of places you wouldn't take Prince Phillip

3) I have a feeling there might be a few well-timed "developments" while he's out of town.

Reaches for the popcorn!

The last couple of weeks have been bizarre enough it'll be interesting to see what happens. I'm half expecting to see the nuclear football replaced with an actual football for safety reasons. In a not too dissimilar similar vein to the IT crowd and the internet. Just strap a big red button to it, he'll not know the difference.

He is a strange one everything that happens to him is the biggest the greatest the most EVER

Biggest witch hunt ever - after what he did to Obama with the birth certificate - the man is a shameless moron.

Biggest witch hunt ever - after JFK got killed to death for doing the same job [s]what he did to Obama with the birth certificate[/s] - the man is a shameless moron.

Clearly there are many example we could use - in fact Hilary faced a worse witch hunt as what she did was done by other before her- e-mails on a private server- but i picked the one where he DID the witch hunting based on a completely false fact...oh the irony

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39983257 ]seems like the pressures off[/url], yeah right.

Edit, date check

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"We said bow as a COURTESY Mr President."

this isn't weird...

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...best tweet is probably the one about if you're going to destroy the illuminati, best do it from the inside.

Why is his hair not sticking up?

because it's "alternative hair"

Is that the same as 'fake hair'?

Bigly hair, shirley?

johnx2 - Member

this isn't weird...

Reminds me of...

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http://newsthump.com/2017/05/22/saudi-arabia-criticises-donald-trump-over-his-treatment-of-women/

😆

Let's hope his core vote is so transfixed by shiny orbs that they're not keeping an eye out for for anything happening at home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-to-propose-big-cuts-to-safety-net-in-new-budget-this-week/2017/05/21/62c01f44-3e34-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html?utm_term=.9dd674963b1d

Women as slaves and to kill gays

Sounds like most of the southern US states...

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🙂 🙂 🙂

reverse robin hood budget from trump

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/22/news/economy/trump-budget-gift-to-rich/index.html?iid=surge-stack-intl

T w a t.

Man of the people, eh? There to fight for the little guy?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026413

Trumps Whitehouse really is a a liability

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said Ms Rudd's irritation stemmed from the fact "crucial information about the investigation" had been "leaked to the media in the US".
She had been concerned that this "might have compromised aspects of the investigation", namely that it may have "alerted associates" of the bomber "that the security forces here knew who they were looking for".
He added: "Ms Rudd, I'm told, got on the blower to US officials and gave them a piece of her mind. Officials say they are in no doubt about our views on that."

Strange reaction Kimbers, so far there doesn't appear to be any information linking the release of that information to the Whitehouse, and nothing in that article suggests it was

And it's not like there hasn't been a significant number of high level classified discussions and intelligence briefings leaked to the US media recently by people who don't work in the Whitehouse, is it?

As above, you can't blame the White House for being the source of the leak. The whole US security establishment has the qualities of a colander, as the orange fella is finding out. Clearly you don't even have to piss them off first, as he has done.

so far there doesn't appear to be any information linking the release of that information to the Whitehouse, and nothing in that article suggests it was

so far there doesn't appear to be any information linking the release of that information to the Whitehouse, and nothing in that article suggests it was

From the NY Times on Trump's meeting with the Pope.

At 8:20 a.m., under an azure sky, the president’s motorcade rolled into the courtyard of the Apostolic Palace. Ostrich-feather-plumed Swiss Guards stood at attention as Mr. Trump and his wife, Melania, stepped out of an armored Chevrolet sport utility vehicle — he in a dark suit, white shirt and black-and-white-stripe tie; she in a black dress with a veil on her hair. A few minutes earlier, the pope arrived in a lone blue Ford Focus. He stepped out and walked into a side entrance.

In his gifts, the pope seemed eager to impart a lesson. He gave the president a copy of his most recent World Day of Peace message (“I signed it personally for you,” Francis said), as well as three of his writings: on the family, the joy of the Gospel, and, most tellingly for a recipient who has called climate change a hoax, “Laudato Si’: On Care for Our Common Home.” Written in 2015, it is the first papal encyclical focused solely on the environment.

Manchester information Leaks. Most likley from someone trying to create a problem for Trump. Manning wasn't trying to do Obama a favour was he ?

Yes, the stuff thats been leaked is quite gobsmacking

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

😯

slowoldman - Member
In his gifts, the pope seemed eager to impart a lesson.

That's right, let's not try and educate the guy about the biggest issuing facing the world right now, how dare a spiritual leader try to use his influence to try to do the right thing.

Oh Christ. All three are posting at the same time!

Jeez, what the **** is the ny times doing - information about the ied should be highly classified.
Yanks release name of bomber and details of the weapon; do they not understand that this is prejudicial to a professional investigation?
Demonstrates a clear lack of care, consideration or concern.
Tossers.

@piemonster - that's STW's version of the holy trinity 😯

twistedpencil - Member
That's right, let's not try and educate the guy about the biggest issuing facing the world right now,

how dare a spiritual leader try to use his influence to try to do the right thing.

Oh Christ. All three are posting at the same time!

The Father. The Son and The Holy Ghost. ? 🙂

frankconway - Member
@piemonster - that's STW's version of the holy trinity

I saw that coming ... at least you noticed that ... so funny. 😆

Buggar too slow (@frank)

The Father. The Son and The Holy Ghost. ?

I'm not going to think that through!

Given Trump's relationship with the mainstream media its most definitely not him/Whitehouse giving them a worldwide scoop is it ?

piemonster - Member

The Father. The Son and The Holy Ghost. ?

I'm not going to think that through!

I prefer to be the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse – Death, Famine, War, and Conquest. You can join if you wish. 😈

What's the big issue that a President needs to be educated on?

slowoldman - Member

What's the big issue that a President needs to be educated on?

Are you taking the piss or really idiotic?

Do you think President of USA is void of advisers that he needs a foreign religious person to advise him on how to be a President?

How about asking the pope his rationale for contraception?

Again I ask you what is the big issue?

Religion? This issue has been with us for thousand of years.
Politics? The President is a politician.
Economy? The President has his own economic advisor and he also knows a thing or two about money.
Security? They are strongest in the world for now.
Social issues? The President is dealing with his own population.
Scientific? The last time I noticed NASA is still in Murica.
Health? They have more food than anyone else and he has his views on health care ...

So enlighten me with an issue that is new.

😛