whilst the rest of the world invests heavily in renewables, what happens when the coal runs out??
As said many times do you want to be the first or last low carbon economy, times are still relatively good so investing in the future makes a lot of sense.
And another day in court...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/01/judge-rejects-trump-defense-claim-incited-violence-protesters
Looks like he's found himself a war,to boost the economy.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39475178 ]Why not pick on someone your own size?[/url]
[url= http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/04/unpresidented.html ]Insight into the orange one's latest twitter rant about being under surveillance[/url]
Channel 4 Dispatches. Fill your boots all you Trump haters 🙂 30 mins of my life I won't get back
anything to do with this?
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/03/31/maddow-just-exposed-scandal-will-take-pence-trump/
Well as Trump haters now represent nearly 70% of Americans.Fill your boots all you Trump haters 30 mins of my life I won't get back
This Russian story won't die will it, going to be hard to escape from the backlash when more comes out isn't it. What a way to try and be president.
Well that nice Mr Trump has donated his first pay cheque of $78000 to the National Park Service.
Mind you, he's signed several orders cutting environmental protection budgets by $2.5billion.
I suspect that Trump and his administration are about to face their first proper test of their skills (or otherwise). With the recent Chemical weapons attack in Syria, do they act (they were very critical of Obama's lack of action under similar circumstances in 2012) to punish the Syrian Government? If they don't they will draw calls of "he doesn't want to annoy his Russian chums", if they do, then they risk pulling the US into another foreign war, which will probably not go down well with Trumps home grown voters.
He's probably about to find out, that in Politics, it's often a case of Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't........
when members of your own party start posting stuff like this you might start think you're out of your depth!
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when members of your own party
He's a Democrat. Rep stands for Representative. Still funny though. 🙂
oops 😳 🙂
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39508351
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was he even meant to be on there,
was he talking to the russians too or is does he just have other evil plots to focus on in the whitehouse?
will breitbart have the inside scoop?
He's a russian version of the guy from legion with camera and transmitter in his eye 😉
I agree it is weird that he has taken Steve Bannon off the NSC. Why would he do that? Is the Trumpster starting to give a shit??
Russia = Not Ally
Fyi: Clinton lost. That happened in the election that was five months ago.
Ninfan,jambalaya,chewkw,not a fact amongst them,all smokeand mirrors,and alt facts.
Made up facts aside, it feels weird to go after someone who lost an election nearly half a year ago. In fact it's been over four years since she was Secretary of State!
It's better than discussing the present ?
well they are certainly not going to start taking responsibility for the mess they are making so syria is still Obama fault, the health care the democrats fault etc. Anything to distract form their own failing
Whatever one wants to say about hilary being blackmailed by or colluding with the russians is not amongst the charges that can be levied and attacking her is just a distraction- its not even an imaginative troll and we are all better than this 😉
I agree it is weird that he has taken Steve Bannon off the NSC. Why would he do that? Is the Trumpster starting to give a shit??
No, but the McCain/Pence faction are starting the first of their pressure manoeuvres...
But emails!
Trump could shoot a child dead, in cold blood, on live telly and imbeciles like Nin would still say "but, Clinton lied" as if there were some sort of defence.
Perhaps we should try this ourselves?
Get caught speeding: "Ahh, yes your Honor, i was indeed doing 137mph down Clacton High street, but Hilary lied about her emails, your honor"
Not paid your Tax: "Dear HMRC, i indeed owe you £126,000, but if you remember correctly, 4 years ago Clinton said some stuff about someone, that might have not been entirely true"
Can't be bothered to pick your kids up from school: "Sorry dear, i haven't picked up the kids, so they have probably be abducted into Child Prostitution, but, i think you'll find Hilary was a bit of a war monger when she was in Government 5 years ago"
Wow, it works brilliantly. I shall call it the "But Clinton did" defence!!!
t feels weird to go after someone who lost an election nearly half a year ago
Yes, the performance of the former Democratic Party administration and their policies towards Russia as an ally bears absolutely no relevance to a Democratic Party representative criticising a republican administrations policies towards Russia and saying that they are not an ally
But it is a useful deflection from the constant pig's ear of the Trump White House.
Yes, the performance of the former Democratic Party administration and their policies towards Russia as an ally bears absolutely no relevance to a Democratic Party representative criticising a republican administrations policies towards Russia and saying that they are not an ally
I'm not even sure of what point is trying to be made here lol 🙂
But it is a useful deflection
But it was a Democrat who posted it, So you're saying that the democrats are attacking Trump about Russia as a deflection from other things?
Hell, you might even be right: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/susan-rice-speaks-out-unmasking-accusations-i-leaked-nothing-nobody-n742486
It's the same with Trumps response to the Syria gas attack
Do nothing, just blame Obama...
McCain/Pence faction are starting the first of their pressure manoeuvres
What's this all about? Are Pence and McCain in cahoots? I know that McCain has been critical of Trump, never thought of Pence being that way though..
It's the same with Trumps response to the Syria gas attackDo nothing, just blame Obama
Yeah this was particularly lame.
Trump: "This is all Obama's fault because he did nothing!"
Everyone else: "So what are you gonna do?"
Trump: *looks at floor and kicks an imaginary stone* "Ah, you know, nothing...."
ninfan - Member
But it is a useful deflection
But it was a Democrat who posted it, So you're saying that the democrats are attacking Trump about Russia as a deflection from other things
No, your jumping on the supposed hypocrisy of Hilary/Obama/the Democrats (does Ted Lieu speak for the administration?) is a useful deflection for you to ignore all the failings.
Another failure due to a mouth full of bullshit.
Is there no beginning to his talents?
And what great advert for the organising power of the capital markets. You know, the thing Chump is supposed to be so good at?
Fail. Yugely.
Is there no beginning to his talents?
He's actually very talented. Talented at garnering support from xenophobic bigots. Talented at selling lies. Talented at selling out the environment. The list goes on!
Just seen a bit of Fox News interviewing some bloke about The Russia connection and the unmasking. Fox should come clean and just call itself the Trump propaganda channel.
Well that escalated quickly.
Good, bad, foolish, the start of something bigger or just sending a message?
It's certainly a reversal of position
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/syria-donald-trump-tweets-170407041106339.html
There's nothing like a bit of war to distract from domestic failures
Sorry what's happened, there was this squirrel and I missed it!
Alex Jones won't be happy
[url= https://www.infowars.com/report-soros-linked-group-behind-chemical-attack-in-syria/ ]False flag[/url]
kimbers - Member
It's the same with Trumps response to the Syria gas attackDo nothing, just blame Obama...
Humble pie for breakfast this morning is it Kimbers? No,of course not, it's;
There's nothing like a bit of war to distract from domestic failures
And there you see the utter hypocrisy of the left wrapped up in one
Trump in 2012:
Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tailspin – watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.
Humble pie for breakfast this morning is it Kimbers? No,of course not, it's;
this may come as a surprise to someone with a militaria fetish but dropping 60 cruise missiles might not have been the only option open to him
hypocrisy?
its good to see all the right wingers have their usual war hard-on, Id like to take this time to recall that Tony Blair's war on Iraq which arguably started all this chaos, was scuppered by a labour rebellion, oh no wait thats right 9 out of 10 Tories supported by their usual chums in the press all voted for the war......... and here we are
"Alex Jones won't be happy"
Can someone tell me if Alex Jones and Infowars are reliable sources?
which arguably started all this chaos
Yep, definitely never any problems in the Middle East prior to 1997
Is this where chewkw shows up to remind us that Trump is a peaceful man and the US will be staying out of other countries business?
Or is he saving that one for when North Korea kicks off?
Yep, definitely never any problems in the Middle East prior to 1997
The problems in the Middle East were primarily wars/conflicts between states run by some rather dubious regimes - Saddam Hussein; Assad; IRC; etc. Plus in part they were part of the "war by proxy" that was the physical manifestation of the Cold War.
In removing or weakening the regimes what you have now are multiple factions with ever shifting allegiances. A reasonable example from the United Kingdom's past would be The War of the Roses where significant participants switched sides on several occasions.
Can someone tell me if Alex Jones and Infowars are reliable sources?
😀
Yes, they are*
*If you are the Commander in Chief of one of the world's most powerful countries, apparently.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/06/twitter-lawsuit-anonymous-account-trump-alt-uscis ]Trump seeks to silence Twitter accounts[/url]
There can be no fighting in the war room!!
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Some interesting stuff here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39486617
[url= http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-white-house-family-business-215002 ]Keeping it in the family[/url]
Interesting stuff! It does look like Kushner may be a moderating influence on Trump, which can only be good!! 🙂
interesting read but nor sure why you would cite Nixon as a good example of why having a bubble around the president is a good thing
More nepotism in the US White house than I had thought but no real argument - other than he trusts them - as to why its a good idea.
IMHO its quite unlikely that his own children and their spouses are the most talented in these roles hence it will always get criticism.
The root of conflict in the middle east is the war between Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims, all fighting each other over which is the proper fairy tale to follow.
600 years and still going strong.
All the "west" has done with it's adventurism is to stir up the hornets nest.
And here, as was said earlier, we are...
GrahamS - Member
Is this where chewkw shows up to remind us that Trump is a peaceful man and the US will be staying out of other countries business?
A few Tomahawks as goodwill gesture between superpowers is normal. Yes, Trump will remain peaceful with Russia vice versa. However, all of them will keep hammering their own political opponents especially those biased media and their supporters at home. That I am sure will be atomic. 😆
Or is he saving that one for when North Korea kicks off?
You want to grab Chinese territory? Go on try it grab some if you can.
Nobody is going to touch North Korea regardless. Nobody. 😆
Those stirring about human rights in North Korea that's a joke right? 😆
A few Tomahawks as goodwill gesture between superpowers is normal.
By a few you mean 59? Around $60 million worth of ordnance.
Nobody is going to touch North Korea regardless. Nobody.
[i]"If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will"[/i] - Donald Trump
GrahamS - Member
By a few you mean 59? Around $60 million worth of ordnance.
$60 million to America is peanuts. 😆
He is the President of USA so what do you expect him to say? 😆"If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will" - Donald Trump
This from The Spectator:
So if getting Russia and China to help doesn’t work, then what? Well, I understand that Trump’s Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was not bluffing when, speaking of military strikes, he said: ‘That option is on the table.’ Inside the Trump White House, they think that there can be a viable military solution to the North Korean problem. They are convinced that it is possible to take out the infrastructure behind Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons programme. In particular, they calculate that they can successfully target the regime’s ability to give these weapons greater range as well as destroy the weapons themselves.This approach might succeed, but it would do so at immense cost — much of the Korean peninsula could end up as collateral damage. Because however successful a US strike might be, there can be no certainty that it would deliver regime change. North Korea would almost certainly try to respond with a military attack against South Korea. If it still had the capability, Pyongyang’s response might well include a nuclear element. It is a sign of how concerned the US is about a North Korea with a long-range nuclear arsenal that despite this, the military option remains open.
We'll see I guess.
Better stock up on TVs, mobile phones and DRAM chips.... 😯
Having said that Tillerson [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rex-tillerson-north-korea-statement-state-department-asia-visit-reaction-23-words-response-a7667236.html ]rather bizarrely "no commented"[/url] on the most recent missile "test" in North Korea so maybe China have politely explained how things work to the Whitehouse?
GrahamS - Member
We'll see I guess.
Nothing will happen coz they all going to be trading pals whether you like it or not. 😆
You lot, the political opponents, will be very disappointed soon and you are more than welcome to argue until your face turn blue nothing much will happen. Trading yes. 😆
Most of the news are just shite stirring at best to drum up domestic sentiment otherwise no news ... The media is the giant troll. 😆
GrahamS - Member
Having said that Tillerson rather bizarrely "no commented" on the most recent missile "test" in North Korea so maybe China have politely explained how things work to the Whitehouse?
China is always about trade, diplomacy and minding own business. Yes, China will diffuse the situation with trade.
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A chance to find out if age and guile really will always beat youth and beauty.
You lot, the political opponents, will be very disappointed soon
I'll be quite happy to be "disappointed" chewkw, but so far Trump has done pretty much the polar opposite of everything you praised him for, so I'm not too reassured by your words.
What polar opposite? He behaves exactly as we expect him to be and exactly as who he is, hence the people like him.GrahamS - Member
You lot, the political opponents, will be very disappointed soon
I'll be quite happy to be "disappointed" chewkw, but so far Trump has done pretty much the polar opposite of everything you praised him for, so I'm not too reassured by your words.
Only you lot, political opponents, trying to fit a square peg into a round hole then complain about incompatibility ... silly goose. 😆
It's as much use pointing out chewkw's contradictory statements as it is pointing out Trump's.
What's really annoying is the use of all the emoticons on the internet in each post.
By a few you mean 59? Around $60 million worth of ordnance.
That did about $60 worth of damage, apparently. If they're going to rely on these things to take out N Korea's nuclear capability I really will be investing in some lead underpants.
Do you think Donald asked the Chinese Premier "What are you going to do if we attack north Korea?" and would he get a[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39542990 ] truthful answer [/url]?
That did about $60 worth of damage, apparently.
It is quite clear that the attack was a show of force, rather than designed to inflict major damage/inflict casualties. It was timed when there wouldn't be many people around, barracks were not targeted and the Russians and quite possibly the Syrians were given prior notification.
The Rex Tillerson response was super weird, but I'm not sure how much to read into it. The guy has had literally zero diplomatic experience, so maybe he's just being a bit crappy at his job?
It is quite clear that the attack was a show of force, rather than designed to inflict major damage/inflict casualties. It was timed when there wouldn't be many people around, barracks were not targeted and the Russians and quite possibly the Syrians were given prior notification.
I see - so sending 59 cruise missiles to do almost precisely nothing was a show of force? Not a show of impotence?
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Thank **** for that.Obama *should* have the deaths of very many people on his conscience for his utter lack of giving a damn when chemical weapons were first used against innocent civilians. And then the second time, and third time, and....
[b]Wiping out any military unit that has used WMD against a city is a suitable response[/b] - targeted, limited and proportionate. The next military unit will think twice, and probably decide to live.
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That did about $60 worth of damage, apparently.
[b]It is quite clear that the attack was a show of force, rather than designed to inflict major damage/inflict casualties.[/b] It was timed when there wouldn't be many people around, barracks were not targeted and the Russians and quite possibly the Syrians were given prior notification.POSTED 7 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Obama *should* have the deaths of very many people on his conscience for his utter lack of giving a damn when chemical weapons were first used against innocent civilians. And then the second time, and third time, and....
Obama wanted to strike Syrian military targets in 2013, republicans blocked him. They are now of course backtracking and bullshitting their way through excuses as to why that was.
Obama wanted to strike Syrian military targets in 2013, republicans blocked him.
Weird- I remember it differently! Was that definitley what happened?
Hmm- looks like you may be right! I says a lot about who won the media war when the assumption is made that it was Obama who didn't enforce the red line and not the Republicans...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/31/syrian-air-strikes-obama-congress
Actually, it looks like it never received a floor vote as Assad agreed to destroy Syria's chemical weapons instead
Obama wanted to strike Syrian military targets in 2013, republicans blocked him.
They couldn't block anything, Obama said at the time that he didn't need Permission from congress to take military action (hey, that's what being commander in chief is all about)
He didn't have to but he allowed congress to have their say, like trumpcare the Republican majority opposition held sway and it never reached a vote.
Didn't we (as in the UK House of Parliament) partially block it, because we refused to take action and Obama didn't want to take US-only unilateral action?
(I may be remembering the wrong conflict there though
chewkwA few Tomahawks as goodwill gesture between superpowers is normal
er, no, no it isn't.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9tente ]Detente[/url]
He didn't have to but...
Ah, pass the buck rather than show leadership, pretty much sums up Obamas time in office doesn't it!