So the Mexican president has snubbed The Trumpet. Somewhat unsurprisingly.
Hope nobody has got any Holidays in Mexico booked....
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he cannot afford the cost due to having to pay for a wall
So the Mexican president has snubbed The Trumpet. Somewhat unsurprisingly.
More #fakenews? - Trump told him that if he wasn't going to pay then cancel the meeting.
won't they pay through a reduction of aid that goes to Mexico?
US gives about 50million dollars in aid to Mexico annually. Cancelling that entirely means the wall should be paid for in about 80 years. Assuming the estimates of a 4bn bill are correct. Sad!
Lefties: (sweary warning)
There we go - it wasn't really a ninfan afternoon without at least one hilarious picture, was it?
Wall will cost $20bn+ accordingly to a few building experts. So it'll be paid for in about 400 years.
Are you including the increased maintenance and staffing costs, plus the boosted Coast Guard resource needed to stem the Carribean migrant route?
There we go - it wasn't really a ninfan afternoon without at least one hilarious picture, was it?
It wasn't a picture...
Despite what ninfan claims torture is completely illegal under US law. Which of course is precisely why torture has taken place in Guantanamo Bay Cuba away from the jurisdiction of US courts - they don't take prisoners to Cuba for the sunshine and the beaches.
Or else they kidnap them and torture them in another country which is friendly with the US, [i]extraordinary rendition[/i] is a fancy term which sounds harmless and means exactly that.
I can't say I've noticed anyone mentioning the International Court of Justice btw, we really need to move from this mindset which thinks that such things don't apply to the US governments/presidents.
If the Unites States isn't complying with international law then we should be talking about sanctions, including sanctions targeted at individuals with their overseas assets frozen.
Sure, there's no realistic likelihood of sanctions being imposed on the US and Trump, but we should at least be talking about it. It's only by talking about things that even the vaguest possibility can be considered.
US governments/presidents are not God's chosen people, their belief that they can do whatever they like with complete impunity is not acceptable.
EDIT : Just to be clear UK governments, including so-called 'Labour governments', don't have a blemish free record when it comes to torture. And I don't think the fact that George Bush was a bit more secretive than Trump about his fondness for torture somehow makes it more acceptable.
Quite a few vacancies in the State Department now after the entire senior management team resigned.
would be cheaper to mine the border lol
Quite a few vacancies in the State Department now after the entire senior management team resigned.
Were they part of the swamp?
How is the remodelling of Mt Trumpmore going?
So, the media pettiness continues.Do you wave when you get on a plane? I am sure Washington and Adams didn't either.Bother you?
Loving this from a pro trump Twitter dude.
@poah amd @akira I posted an example earlier of how it might be paid for.
Mexicans (I assume) send $25bn per anum back to Mexico from the US, the vast majority in smaller cash amounts and often through money senders like Western Union that do not require ID. A charge of 5% (no more than money transfers already charge) would yield $1.25bn pa. Wall estimate is $14bn. A daily visa charge to enter the US, 1 million Mexicans cross daily. Renegotiation / cancelling NAFTA with tarifs used for wall.
kerley - MemberWere they part of the swamp?
A side story to watch- CNN reports they were fired, officials quoted as saying it's part of "clearing house".
Quite a few vacancies in the State Department now after the entire senior management team resigned.
US system is different to ours, they are not civil service but political appointees, a new President would expect to make 5000 appointments. Trump fired all tye Ambassadors which in of itself isn't unusual, just normally replacements are lined up first. Trump just didn't bother except for Israel, UK and UN
One for science fans…
https://twitter.com/ap/status/824374557893083146
BREAKING: Trump administration mandating EPA scientific studies, data undergo review by political staff before public release.
Jambalaya, does trump have the ability to do that though. Most of the orders he's been flinging out haven't had any research behind them, Obama had a few weeks of changes and lawyers going over stuff to make sure the orders he did were legal and possible. These details seem not to bother trump though
EPA, national parks, NASA and more have set up 'alt' twitter accounts, refusing to be silenced or screened.
Atempts to control and censor scientific thought would be hilarious, Americans turning their country into Soviet Russia etc, if it wasnt so worrying.
If the left did this, Ninfan and Jamby would be on here screaming their heads off.
Trump trying to censor science is a tragic indictment of trump and his administration, I see the hand of alt-right scumbag Gannon in this.
Still at least May isn't walking into a huge shitstorm as the Mexican president cancels his trip to America.
What a ludicrous situation!
bigjim - MemberEPA, national parks, NASA and more have set up 'alt' twitter accounts, refusing to be silenced or screened.
TBH it's not clear whether these are real or not
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that reads like a stw poll 🙂
Mexicans (I assume) send $25bn per anum back to Mexico from the US, the vast majority in smaller cash amounts and often through money senders like Western Union that do not require ID. A charge of 5% (no more than money transfers already charge) would yield $1.25bn pa. Wall estimate is $14bn
And then people change to pay pal... Etc the first problem is asking Congress for 14bn to build it, the republicans turned down something like a 4bn border security increase I read due to the costs being too high. They are not a spending party they hate spending money on things. It's going to be a fun debate when they have to ask to increase the budget they all campaigned to cut.
So what happens when he doesn't get his wall budget? A nasty tweet about the ones who objected?
And the shut down of science and information continues
he is proposing a 20% tax on mexican products to pay for the wall .
like that american get to pay for it . 😆
that's NAFTA torn up.
Informed, so well informed he is...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38763689
Trump 'will handle US-UK trade talks'
2 hours ago
US President Donald Trump has said he will handle trade discussions with the UK himself, ahead of a meeting with the British prime minister.
Which trade discussions? Can't be having those with individual EU member states can you.
but I can't face trawling back through the swamp.
No need, it's been drained. To make room for Donald's lizards.
[url= https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico ]that 20% trade tariff will get very painful for both nations[/url].
Hello! Where are all the Trumpettes? The supporters are very quiet tonight. 😛
Like this - A promise tracker
Invest in American infrastructure
Mr. Trump wants to spend a trillion dollars to rebuild sagging infrastructure. He faces opposition from Republicans and enthusiasm from Democrats.
This is one of my favourites 😉
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/us/politics/trump-agenda-tracker.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
busy celebrating on the EU thread . 😀
Which trade discussions? Can't be having those with individual EU member states can you.
What are they going to do? Chuck us out 😆
What are they going to do? Chuck us out
Not at all but it should show that these "talks" are nothing more than an actual meeting with a new president/pm the trade bit will be nothing more than a bit of PR/Spin so they can both declare they made progress and took steps etc.
Anyway the idea of 2 nations that claim to want to head into isolationism having trade talks is quite funny. If you don't agree we can do some friendly waterboarding until you do.
Well duh 🙄
Bad Lip reading does Donald Trump, quite funny
claim to want to head into isolationism
Really, where have May and Donald Trump that they want to be isolationist? Indeed, just look at what Trudeau has been saying the past couple of days, that discussions with the new US administration show they are perfectly happy to continue with the current trade deal, which they think is fair, balanced and mutually beneficial. Couldn't be further from 'isolationist'
we dont need to lip read
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Wall will cost $20bn+ accordingly to a few building experts. So it'll be paid for in about 400 years.
Are you including the increased maintenance and staffing costs, plus the boosted Coast Guard resource needed to stem the Carribean migrant route?
And the cost of taking it down again in 4 years time. 🙂