GrahamS - Member
Christ, he just said "I think sometimes we can disagree with the facts".
Honestly there's more interesting stuff. And in context, what he actually said wasn't as controversial as your post sounds.
Interesting first press conference. First one I have ever watched all the way through.
Fascinating to see some of the spin headlines appearing (eg Independent) which differ from the tone of what I am hearing
Trade. Bilaterals are the focus hence cancelling Trans Pacific deal. Looking at NAFTA and has spoken to Canada and Mexico. German jounalist asked about the EU as the "largest trading block" got a bit of a non-answer but the bilateral point goes against focusing on a deal with the EU.
Fascinating to see some of the spin headlines appearing (eg Independent) which differ from the tone of what I am hearing
Watching it too - that type of nonsense pretty much proves his point doesn't it.
I see the President Trump inauguration audience count has been blown away now to be replaced by new headline:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38714459 ]iPhone maker Foxconn signals $7bn US investment[/url] 😆
That President Trump bloke must be very persuasive. 😛
jambalaya - Member
I think Trump is (quite rightly) unimpressed with the press coverage he got during the campaign. I do think he's going to sideline many traditional media outlets. If Zuckerberg does that he's part of the modern information and tech revolution. Twittr, Facebook and news websites, why not prioritise those.
I can't wait to see traditional press getting hammered in the digital interweb era. This will truly challenge the way information is consumed especially when President Trump starts to confront the traditional media head on his way.
The media did not do themselves favour by shooting themselves in their own feet when they gang-banged the President Trump during his campaign to be President. Those people feeding the information or researching the information who are they? They should all be fired tbh coz they just discredited their jobs. 😆 Now the media will just have to reap what they sow. The media has a fight on their hands and I bet they will fight to the end because they will soon be cornered. Both sides will hammer each other to the hilt and the winner takes all. Should be fun to see the media hammered because they are so "correct" ... 😆
Yes, those reporters need to work their socks off if they want to retain their jobs. If they try to be partisan etc they will get hit hard which they should. I have a feeling some news corporation will merge soon as the smaller ones will no longer be able to sustain themselves if their rating get hammered.
I also foresee individual reporter making their own news ... 😆
Moe - Member
Jonathan Pie has something to say on the event!
That angry bloke Pie is very angry innit. He should say something new coz he is not entertaining at all apart from delivering his views in British English ... 😆 Try the Ozzie bloke commenting on the weather report he is 100 times better.
Trade. Bilaterals are the focus hence cancelling Trans Pacific deal. Looking at NAFTA and has spoken to Canada and Mexico. German jounalist asked about the EU as the "largest trading block" got a bit of a non-answer but the bilateral point goes against focusing on a deal with the EU
and the dollar starts to fall as parochialism begins to grip ....
Watching it too - that type of nonsense pretty much proves his point doesn't it.
I think it's probably one of those situations where people will simply hear and believe what they want, irrespective of facts.
He certainly tried to be more friendly with the press but the content of his answers was very empty.
Fascinating to see some of the spin headlines appearing (e.g. Independent) which differ from the tone of what I am hearing
Perhaps because you are focusing on your perspective and hearing what you want to?
check out the New York times''s live comment stream and you might find another perspective
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/23/us/politics/spicer-white-house-briefing-live.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
and the dollar starts to fall as parochialism begins to grip ....
That's good for the US as like the UK they are a net importer. Look at US stock market it's been strong since Trump was elected. He will be good for US business. Ne wants to reduce imports and a lower $ helps that.
Kimbers you have got to get away from notion that a lower currency is necessarily bad. It depends.
Spicer, " Sometimes we disagree with the facts"
Enough said.
cchris2lou - Member
He certainly tried to be more friendly with the press but the content of his answers was very empty.
Not really tbh, I describe it as tentative tbh.. It's the first day, substance is likely to be thin. Governments are an evolving and reactionary thing, on that basis, I really do think people need to look at all this at face value(which will take longer than day 1) and then form opinion based on actions. Anything else is really just hysteria tbh.
teamhurtmore - Member
Spicer, " Sometimes we disagree with the facts"Enough said.
If you're a tabloid headline writer, perhaps.
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[i][b]“Now is the time to develop a new trade policy that helps working families, not just multinational corporations. If President Trump is serious about a new policy to help American workers then I would be delighted to work with him.”
“For the past 30 years, we have had a series of trade deals … which have cost us millions of decent-paying jobs and caused a ‘race to the bottom’ which has lowered wages for American workers”[/i][/b]
- Former Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders who quite rightly, and very loudly, denounced Trump as a bully and a demagogue.
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If Bernie Sanders can now publicly declare that he would be delighted to work with Trump to help ordinary American workers achieve a better quality of life, then some people should perhaps consider reassessing their determination to see Trump impeached in favour of a Mike Pence presidency - a truly horrific scenario imo.
Now Americans will simply have to pay more for lower quality goods. How does that help the low paid??
Protectionism is no panacea
teamhurtmore - Member
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He ment facts as people believed them, facts in that sense are often ambiguous.
It's lazy sensationalism to just jump on that.
"I really do think people need to look at all this at face value(which will take longer than day 1) and then form opinion based on actions. Anything else is really just hysteria tbh."
I agree. FFS, Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize on day 4. Premature? I think so. You can't judge these things so early.
...and the bar is pretty low for Trump. If he doesn't Nuke China he'll have far exceeded expectations.
It's lazy sensationalism to just jump on that.
Yeah I took it as meaning that not everyone necessarily agrees with what the facts are, a fair comment which I'm sure most people would agree with.
"Now Americans will simply have to pay more for lower quality goods. How does that help the low paid??"
...because they'll be paid to make the goods in the USA.
...if it works.
No wonder politics is in the mess its in Joe!
The post truth world summed up perfectly!
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Let's hope the poor believe that as "fact" ????
Sadly history suggests that they will be disappointed
Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize on day 4. Premature? I think so.
Why......because Obama then went on to approve US military action in Afghanistan, Iraq, ****stan, Libya, Somalia and Syria and backed Saudi Arabia’s intervention in Yemen?
Yeah, the Peace Prize was probably a little premature.
I was thinking of the Extra judicial killings on foreign soil, but either way I think Obama's Nobel Prize is a good example of the folly of judging Politicians at the very beginning of their term. That's why I mentioned it.
Bernie Sanders is probably very aware that in all likelihood the people who are going to benefit most from trump's presidency are billionaire white men. I'd love it if trump helped out the poor and the needy but unless he has a complete change of character then it seems unlikely.
Interesting first press conference. First one I have ever watched all the way through.Fascinating to see some of the spin headlines appearing (eg Independent) which differ from the tone of what I am hearing
Trade. Bilaterals are the focus hence cancelling Trans Pacific deal. Looking at NAFTA and has spoken to Canada and Mexico. German jounalist asked about the EU as the "largest trading block" got a bit of a non-answer but the bilateral point goes against focusing on a deal with the EU.
Jamby, honestly, I ask this as someone who doesn't think that you are wrong all the time - you actually make some decent points sometimes - and I don't particularly like the ridicule aimed at you sometimes.
But and this is a big but, how as a free marketeer and fellow libertarian meritocracist (I've got the distinct impression that you are) - how, just how, can you defend Trumps protectionism? Can you please enlighten me?
If you were truly principled on you anti-EU stance, that it discriminates against people from outside the EU and is protectionist/corrupt, then surely you should be arguing for the rights of the other 6 billion people on this planet to live in a true free market whereby they can compete with us.
Bernie Sanders is probably very aware that in all likelihood the people who are going to benefit most from trump's presidency are billionaire white men.
Well he should say so instead of praising Trump's decision to scrap TPP.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/23/tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-bernie-sanders-john-mccain ]Bernie Sanders supports Trump's TPP order while McCain criticizes opting out[/url]
I suspect Bernie Sanders will do the sensible thing and wait to see how things pan out. Perhaps a few other people should?
TPP was not even signed by the Congress , a lot of noise for nothing .
TPP was very dear to Obama's heart. Or does Obama's legacy count for nothing now?
A week certainly is a long time in politics, eh?
[url= http://time.com/3819537/ian-bremmer-trans-pacific-partnership-obama/ ]The Trans-Pacific Partnership Will Help Define President Obama’s Legacy[/url]
it is , lets see what next week is going to bring . 😆
Do we have to wait? Can't we prejudge?
I got a call from Tim Cook at Apple, and I said, "Tim, you know one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you're making your product right here."
He said, "I understand that."I said: "I think we'll create the incentives for you, and I think you’re going to do it. We're going for a very large tax cut for corporations, which you'll be happy about."
And then Tim said what?..... Trump doesn't go on to tell us nothing of what Tim said next. He didn't tell us what Bill Gates said when he asked him to switch off the internet either. 🙂
Do we have to wait? Can't we prejudge?
No need to wait, we can also judge him on his withdrawal of support for NGOs who provide abortion information. Silly women, getting all upset and marching at the weekend, eh?
I can't wait to see traditional press getting hammered in the digital interweb era. This will truly challenge the way information is consumed especially when President Trump starts to confront the traditional media head on his way.
Really? What percentage of Americans actually have Twitter accounts and rely on it for news? Trump will start off making out he can bypass the media, but after a while he will have to acknowledge reality.
Im not surprised he axed the womens health NGO funding, weve seen he likes to mock women for having periods
The largest ever global protest against anyone?? seem to have been right hes not just a sexit bigot, he is dangerous to women
childbirth is after all the biggest cause of death for women of child bearing, especially adolescent girls, in the developing world
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs348/en/
Some Epic trolling of Trump around. really making me laugh.
ON a more serious note he had a court action raised against him today as he is in breach of the constitution by taking money from foreign governments as his buisnesses have government contracts form other countries and he is still the beneficiary. I suspect he will spend so much time and energy tioed up in lawsuits that he won't actually be ableto do much
But and this is a big but, how as a free marketeer and fellow libertarian meritocracist (I've got the distinct impression that you are) - how, just how, can you defend Trumps protectionism? Can you please enlighten me?
isn't it obvious? Lunatic Brexiters are one the most hypocritical bunch around, they are DESPERATE to sign a deal. They would sell the UK down the river, and like with the trump supporters, will ignore stuff like "protectionism" if the President promises one thing: Any kind of trade deal.
The most ominous word being "ANY" in that sentence.
I seem to remember that TPP ranged from vaguely disliked to outright hated on this site (views from the whole political spectrum seemed to agree). Regardless of who killed it, surely it's just a good thing that it's dead?
Seems to me (I don't give a stuff about brexit) that the most hypocritical bunch around are those who like democracy until it doesn't give them the result they want, then proceed to blame anything and everything on "thick" people who don't agree with them.
wrecker - Member
I seem to remember that TPP ranged from vaguely disliked to outright hated on this site (views from the whole political spectrum seemed to agree). Regardless of who killed it, surely it's just a good thing that it's dead?
I think thatd be TTIP you are thinking of, doubt weve discussed TPP
but principles are similar
Looks like the TTIP is next on the menu!
I would think so. It's already on shaky ground so another easy win early on
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/23/reported-putin-journalists-trump-media ]Some tips for journalists dealing with Trump[/url]
A comparison with Putin.
Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?
For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete. The working arrangement with the Far Eastern companies is more like a partnership that's mutually beneficial. But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?
"For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete."
I'm not sure I completely buy this - it's true for some consumer electronics but also untrue for others.
If we take the example of apple - their profit margin is enormous. On a $600-$900 iPhone the factory gate cost is below $225 and that includes labour - so even if labour costs changed from $10 to $40 per unit the profit margin is still massively out of line with other industries, and then we have to allow to apple's well proven tax avoidance structures which has led to them having $220b in cash on their books - google, Microsoft and apple have over $1.6 trillion in cash between them.
So (through gritted teeth), fair play to Trump - if he forces companies like Apple to create jobs and invest in the market that provides so much of their profit then good on him.
But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?
Maybe by making a product that is good? Remember the German minister when asked why the Americans lived bmw/Mercedes not good old American cars and he pointed out that the US models were just crap on comparison.
molgrips - Member
Is there a way in which Trump can encourage companies to manufacture in the US without damaging the consumer economy?
Incentives or sanctions you choose. First, try the incentive but they don't play ball hit them hard. Very hard, after all when is the next chance to do so with the support of the Merican people?
Of course they can if they have a will. Look at the Far East they have the will so they can compete. Without the will nothing happens. As for mutual benefits yes of course there are so long as the approach is balanced on both sides. The far east will not go head on with trade disagreement so will work a way out. Give and take. Forget about full blown war coz that is not going to happen. If there is a war rhetoric it is there to wind up the press only ... give them some rating back. 😆For things like consumer electronics, there's no way that the US can compete. The working arrangement with the Far Eastern companies is more like a partnership that's mutually beneficial. But are there other areas of industry where US industry needs that kind of protection? Cars maybe?
