[Closed] Donald! Trump!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/in-that-moment-i-loathed-america-i-loathed-the-entire-country

Sums it up, remember everyone is out to get you, don't trust anyone then you will make yourself safe...
or is it treat others as you wish to be treated. I can't imagine the scene if a bunch of Americans were subjected to that in a foireign country.

Do you get Ibuprofen on prescription?
Do you know the cost they pay? Or are we back to make an accusation and then declare it fact until somebody goes and disproves you.
We alredy established that all drugs have patents just some are expired.
If you insist that drugs are sold at manufacturing cost from day 1 how do you fund the research and development costs?

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SAME WAY WE FUND WAR! 💡 and yes i ment to shout.

There was an Iranian woman in a wheelchair, she was about 80, wearing a little mauve cardigan, and they were yelling at her – “Arabic? Arabic?”. They screamed at her “ARABIC?” at the top of their voices, and finally she intuited what they wanted and I heard her say “Farsi”. And I thought heaven help her, she’s Iranian, what’s going to happen?

To be fair even an 80 year old woman in a wheelchair could be a threat to the United States, and after all this is all about keeping America safe - I know because I've heard Donald Trump say so. It's definitely not about whipping up fear, mistrust, and hatred of Muslims.

SAME WAY WE FUND WAR! and yes i ment to shout.

Is confused

Does "is working on" rank higher than "calling for" in the continuum of

Doing stuff <---------------> not doing stuff and then laughing at lefties for falling for it?

'calling for' means someone else will do it and ' working on' means it's only three days till golf so I can stall till then.

"Is confused
Does "is working on" rank higher than "calling for" in the continuum of
Doing stuff <---------------> not doing stuff and then laughing at lefties for falling for it?"

"Minded" is my favourite one.

"working on" is also the new way of taking the credit for something multiple times by using carefully staged announcements - with the obvious difference to the usual announcements which involve actually doing something.

In other news (it's CNN so presumably #fakenews) even one of his supporters has said he's wrong about the tapping business
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/wiretap-congress-sean-spicer-response/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/wiretap-congress-sean-spicer-response/

How exactly do you, as a Republican, politely explain that POTUS doesn't have a clue what he's doing?

Ford patented the heated windscreen which is arguably a very effective safety device.

Think about that.

I have thought about it, and I think you're conflating two very different things.

A heated windscreen is not an effective safety device, it is a VERY effective time and effort saving device which could reduce the chance of someone doing something unsafe, but it does not improve the outcome of a incident if it does happen. An effective safety device must either substantially reduce the chance of an incident, and/or reduce the severity of outcome. A heated windscreen does little to reduce the chance of a collision and nothing to lessen the severity of injury in a collision, but a seatbelt does.

Some other safety systems are similar, for example airbags, they have no impact* on the chance of an incident, but do have a big impact on the outcome. Some safety devices arguably cross the border of both, like ABS which can lessen both the chance of collision and severity of impact if it allows you to reduce collision speed more than non-ABS equipped car, but even that is borderline.

It's the difference between something that reduces the chance of incident, versus reducing the impact, and a heated screen is tenuous even in that, as you'd have to assume that without one the vehicle operator would choose not to clear the screen another way, although judging by a lot of idiots in winter this is sadly close to the truth 🙁

I think a key point here is that the screen must be cleared before you drive the car, and at this point the is no chance of collision, it's only once you choose to drive a car without a clear screen that it can have an effect, hence it's a [i]labour saving device[/i] not a safety device, an equivalent related [i]safety device[/i] would refuse to allow the car to move if the screen was not clear.

I see where you're coming form though, in that the heated windscreen may help to lessen the likelyhood of a collision, but that's only if the operator would otherwise choose not to clear the screen properly.

The same cannot be said for the seatbelt, if the operator chooses not to use it it has no impact on the likelyhood of a collision, only the severity of injury if one should occur.

Your general point is sound, but I still think it's not a good analogy, a better one would be other safety systems like ABS, side impact bars, or airbags (I don't know the patent status of any of them). However none of that really relates to drugs patents as the entire industry is different and the way the patents system works for drugs is different as it's more time dependant and the bulk of the cost is up front in R+D and testing and licensing with no guaranteed marketable end product, unlike a car manufacturer.

Anyway, back on topic...

* ignoring any psychological influence on how safely you drive in a car you feel is unsafe in a collision.

Just to clarify mattyfez:
I just looked on the clinical system at work. Cost to the NHS of 84 400mg ibuprofen (this is what is usually prescribed) is £1.52. Plus the dispensing fee paid to the pharmacist. I'm a gp not a pharmacist so don't know what they get per prescription. 30p probably gets you 16 200mg tablets so it's roughly double the cost per mg in Tesco. Remember that the fees paid to the pharmacy are to provide a service you don't get in Tesco, like advice on interactions, collection delivery etc.
I'm not sure where you get £7 from. Are you thinking of the NHS prescription charge? That's £8.40 now I think. Per item, regardless of whether that item is £1.50 worth of ibuprofen, a £40 asthma inhaler, or £400 cancer drug. Guess what, prescription charges don't cover the full costs of all prescribing. Also has nothing to do with GPs pay. Separate budget etc. Look it up.
Not sure what your beef is about part time gps. My wife works 2 1/2 days. So that's 11 hours on a Monday. 11 hours on a Tuesday and 8 hours on a Wednesday (catching up with paperwork in her own time unpaid every week.) 30 hours a week. Lazy.

However as a gp I do feel that big pharma is not as Lilly white as some posters would make out.
We've recently had Pfizer taking NHS England to court over pregabalin in a desperate attempt to squeeze profit out of the NHS, and we get plenty of cynical attempts to invent new drugs our of old ones just as they go off patent. Loratadine becomes desloratadine, citalopram becomes escitalopram. Etc etc. If the cap fits you end up wearing it.

chewkw - Member
Remember " ... no boom & burst ..." from one of our ex-PM ... he must be telling the "truth".

Now I know you're a fake Chewkw.

If you aren't English why would describe TB as "our ex-pm"?

How exactly do you, as a Republican, politely explain that POTUS doesn't have a clue what he's doing?

Several more senior Reps have had to say that they have not no idea where he got this nugget of (fake) news from.

The ACA repeal and Trumpcare look to be a toxic shambles, cutting millions off from their healthcare, sticky times for the Reps who have spent years whining about Obamacare, but never bothered to think what could replace it. We all know that it's just too complicated for Trump himself

[quote=kimbers ]Several more senior Reps have had to say that they have not no idea where he got this nugget of (fake) news from.

Whatever the daft fanbois might claim, I really do now think that Republicans might be persuaded to support impeachment if (when?) a sufficiently robust case can be made for that. I've no doubt that plenty of clever people are working on it - though they're probably busy working out how to get rid of Pence as well before striking.

We all know that it's just too complicated for Trump himself

Well nobody knew that it could be so complicated.

Several more senior Reps have had to say that they have not no idea where he got this nugget of (fake) news from.

Eh? You think it's somehow surprising that the President of the United States has access to information that other politicians don't?

gobuchul - Member

chewkw - Member
Remember " ... no boom & burst ..." from one of our ex-PM ... he must be telling the "truth".

Now I know you're a fake Chewkw.

If you aren't English why would describe TB as "our ex-pm"?

Okay "Your ex-PM" (I keep thinking about someone else) and it's GB not TB. 😆

Eh? You think it's somehow surprising that the President of the United States has access to information that other politicians don't?

oh no its not surprising, I doubt they subscribe to whatever crackpot conspiracy youtube channel Trump was watching at 1am 😀

Eh? You think it's somehow surprising that the President of the United States has access to information that other politicians don't?

looks like they are cutting the coast guard and airport security to help fund the wall 🙂

[quote=ninfan ]Eh? You think it's somehow surprising that the President of the United States has access to information that other politicians don't?

It's surprising that he has access to information that his security advisors don't.

Maybe he leaked the info only he had to the crackpot hate preacher so he could use it on his show and then Trump could tweet it.

looks like they are cutting the coast guard and airport security to help fund the wall

I thought Mexico was paying for that?

shhhhh, with the wall in place who needs the coastguard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/08/china-gives-green-light-trump-branded-massage-parlors-bars-escort/

Outstanding - God bless America

Classy!

How far out to sea does the wall go? Or will it go up the coasts to Canada? I quite fancy a bigger version of Escape From New York.

I think it's more a Motte and Bailey job.

[I]Well I pay 30p at tesco, compared to about £7 so the extra costs of the prescription are going somewhere, maybe ask your local GP how he can afford to work part-time. [/I]

I really don't know where to start with answering the above, it's almost like something Trump would say, and call it a FACT!

I thought Mexico was paying for that?

They are. Through an import tarrif, paid when you buy a Mexican import.
No, hang on, that cannot be right.
This means the US tax take pays for the wall, then the taxpayer pays a second time when buying Mexican goods.
Surely no-one is stupid enough to believe that one.
More fake news.

Trump is set to appoint an openly gay diplomat as his Ambassador to the UN. The Trump haters will think of something negative to say.

Trump is set to appoint an openly gay diplomat as his Ambassador to the UN. The Trump haters will think of something negative to say.

The Trump haters will think of something negative to say.

Fake news, You mean US NATO ambassador

Trump is set to appoint an openly gay diplomat as his Ambassador to the UN. The Trump haters will think of something negative to say.

It tends to be easy to find something true but negative to say about all of Trump's appointees so it seems likely that all but his fanbois will. I'm not sure what the sexuality of any of them has to do with that, or why you think that's significant.

Trump is set to appoint an openly gay diplomat as his Ambassador to the UN. The Trump haters will think of something negative to say.

Only if its Milo Yiannopoulos 😉

this may come as a surprise jamby but just because someone is gay doesnt mean they're automatically a leftie idol, taking Trumps buddy Milo as an example you can be gay and a horrible bigoted right wing troll.

i was struggling to work out WTF his point was as well and why he seemed to think his sexuality meant he was beyond criticism to "haterz"

I think jambalaya's point is that it is particularly remarkable that Donald Trump should give an openly gay person a job.

In more shocking news here's Donald Trump shaking hands with a black man

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Remember the kid at school who was so desperate to say something and just had to say it, then every one just gives the look that they are so far from the point it's ridiculous...

I wonder what the appointee thinks of the rolling back of transgender bathroom laws. Or the scheduled meetings with the Russian ambassador

did he give him a job though and are we able to criticise him or is he immune as well due to skin colour?

did he give him a job though

Well I don't know, I think jambalaya would have told us whether Donald Trump has given any black person a job.

Since jambalaya hasn't told us yet we have to assume that he hasn't. Jambalaya will let us know just as soon as he has.

I wonder what the appointee thinks of the rolling back of transgender bathroom laws

Probably thinks they were ridiculous (ps. It was a guideline on the application of a law, not a law, more leftie #fakenews)

Funnily enough, one of the best comments about the entire US election outcome was on that issue

"If the democrats had spent half as much time talking about jobs than they did about transgender bathrooms, they would still be in power."

and meanwhile your hero is busy making a fool of himself again

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I have tremendous respect for women and the many roles they serve that are vital to the fabric of our society and our economy.

Sounds like you're just jealous that he knobbed Carla Bruni really 😆

No ninfan, not really. Guess if that is the way you think then you and the Don are made for each other. If you can't see the irony in having your own words quoted back at you when you make a "virtue signalling" post pretneding to care about womens rights having decimated Womens health provisions, threatened planned parenthood etc. then have people having to decide which quote/clip to use to show his abosultly pathetic level of respect for women (and girls - rember the Miss Teen USA comments) but guess when it's that obvious deflection is your only option.

Yet, once again, all these things were known, but still the American people voted for him 😀

yes you keep banging on about it, which part of it makes you think he is a great all round human being? Want to actually spend time with him? Think he is making clear judgements? Believe anything he says?

They are not going to let Russia go
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/us/politics/mark-warner-faces-a-stand-and-deliver-moment-in-russian-inquiry.html
Bad news for air quality, water quality and climate
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html
Make China Great - Put China First
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/business/china-trademark-donald-trump.html
on the plus side with these toilets you can take a Dump on a Trump
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yes you keep banging on about it, which part of it makes you think he is a great all round human being? Want to actually spend time with him? Think he is making clear judgements? Believe anything he says?

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So, we are left with two possibilities, Either:

i) all the 63 million people who voted for him are stupid

Or

ii) [b]you[/b] are stupid

Tell me, which of those outcomes do you think you have the greater personal interest in denying?

why feed him mike?
He does not believe what he says he just want a reaction ...any reaction and any reply just fuels him even this one .

See I'm not sure Junkyard I think he does actually believe a lot of it. He does come across as a very right wing bigot a lot of the time and like Trump it seems like trying to offend people gives him pleasure despite just making him look like an idiot most of the time trying to defend (well make up ridiculous circumstances of how Trump is right)
Like the out of date cartoon - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I'm really stil waiting to see who cracks first and drops the evidence that Trump knew all about the Russian contacts and it was a strategy.

In the day to day stuff it's getting hard to see which releases are the distraction and which ones need distracting from was the Exec order to take the heat out of the bugging tweets or overshadow healthcare, was healthcare to divert attention from the exec order?
Anyway keep scrolling down the IWD tweet comments some great ones in there

Of course he'll keep "feeding" me

He has to keep up the pretence in his internal dialogue that option i) rather than option ii) is the only possible outcome, because to accept the alternative would fracture his world.

If it turns out that Trump isn't #literallyhitler then it means that Mike got taken in by the hype - that he wasn't as clever as he thought he was - his personal investment in that is just too big to admit to himself that he might have been wrong.

fivethirtyeight.com

Oh, my sides, oh my word, I think I'll have to go and have a little lie down after that one

Of course, you'll remember how five thirty eight was being touted as the next big thing in polling before the election, won't you 😀

Did you invent #literallyhitler?
Lets check though
Racist - Yes
Xenophobic - Yes
Low respect of Women - Yes
Hatred of a Religion - Yes
Inventing Problems to Create Solutions - Yes

On so called Policy -
Climate Science Denier - Appoints Denier who appoint more people who deny science to head up the EPA
Appoints National Security Advisor who manages illegal contact with Russian diplomats illegally discussing sanctions (all without his knowledge) LOL
Attourney General ready to go
Several cabinet members who have walked away
Exec orders getting blocked in courts for being unconstitutional
Only praise so far was for managing to read a teleprompter.

That is not opinion.
Given he has very low approval ratings it doesn't really sho he has wide ranging support, that was shown by how he lost the popular vote. He has just split the Republicans on HC and will find he has no way to keep both sides happy.

I'm not sure where all this Trump is awesome is really coming from, is there any actual evidence yet?

Of course, you'll remember how five thirty eight was being touted as the next big thing in polling before the election, won't you

And just imagine if it turns out that he isn't #literallyhitler - it would mean that everything you said and believed was wrong

Like I said, who has more investment in continuing to believe it? You or the millions who voted for him?

Given he has very low approval ratings it doesn't really sho he has wide ranging support, that was shown by how he lost the popular vote. He has just split the Republicans on HC and will find he has no way to keep both sides happy.

Ah, more justification of your position via polls and approval ratings, brilliant 😀

It gave Trump a 25% chance of winning the election. It was accurate,

Liar, liar pants on fire - I'll remind you of some great quotes from your favoured fivethirtyeight source on the issue:

[list][i]For my money, that adds up to Trump’s chances being higher than 0 but (considerably) less than 20 percent
Trump has a better chance of cameoing in another “Home Alone” movie with Macaulay Culkin — or playing in the NBA Finals — than winning the Republican nomination.[/i]
[i]Trump’s support will probably fade. Or at least, given his high unfavorable ratings, it will plateau, and other candidates will surpass him as the rest of the field consolidates.
Our emphatic prediction is simply that Trump will not win the nomination. It’s not even clear that he’s trying to do so.
But Trump looks more and more like, at best, a factional candidate — he may have a core of supporters, but he lacks the appeal to build a coalition broad enough to win the nomination.[/i][/list]

Still, keep on relying on the polls and favourability ratings if they give you some comfort Mike, much better than facing reality and admitting that you were wrong 😀

Yep another fact laden Ninfan post. I see you ar now adding #literallyhitler to you alt-right repitoire, I expect to see it in at least every 3rd post from now on but don't forget snowflake it was a good one.

Still think he got a "special intellegence briefing" on the Wire Taps? Or did he just wake up with late night TV on?

Still think he got a "special intellegence briefing" on the Wire Taps? Or did he just wake up with late night TV on?

Hmm, we find ourself in an amusing situation don't we?

[list]In the blue box, President Trump is the world’s biggest liar (according to his foes).

And...

In the red box, President Trump now has direct access to more national secrets than any other living human being.[/list]

Of course, once again, which of those scenarios do you have a greater emotional investment in Mike? #cognitivedissonance

Of course, once again, which of those scenarios do you have a greater emotional investment in Mike? #cognitivedissonance

He has access to stuff the FBI don't? his national security advisor doesn't?

Maybe he does #russia

Personally I think it would be a pretty poor national security service that didn't surveil and investigate [i]all[/i] the presidential candidates. I would imagine that part is standard practise. And probably even more so when there are suggestions of foreign influence.

He has access to stuff the FBI don't?

Of course he bloody does - what do you think they invented the CIA and NSA for?

Of course he bloody does - what do you think they invented the CIA and NSA for?

Investigating Russian collaborators ?

Welcome back Nifan. Time to start following this thread again... 😀

So it's all a leftie anti-democratic conspiracory now, Ninfan?

I see you haven't responded or even listened to my accusation that it is the right, that is the historically undemocratic force in the west.

Well I can't compete with the reasoned arguments put forward by the big hitters above. I just think Trump is a ****.

- his personal investment in that is just too big to admit to himself that he might have been wrong.

Same can be said for yourself ninfan

I see you haven't responded

He doesn't tend to respond to reasoned arguments. You can take it as a point conceded by him if he ignores the bulk of your argument and picks a minor side point to score a cheap point on and put in a laughy face.

See his response to mike's "Lets check though" post.

"Xenophobic" - was Hitler Xenophobic? Part of his hierarchy of races theory gave credit to under-races who had their own countries. He considered Jews all the worse for lack of a State. So that's the opposite of Zenophobia. That's valuing Foreign Nations.

outofbreath - Member
"Xenophobic" - was Hitler Xenophobic? Part of his hierarchy of races theory gave credit to under-races who had their own countries. He considered Jews all the worse for lack of a State. So that's the opposite of Zenophobia. That's valuing Foreign Nations.

Being a racist isn't a bad defence against Xenophobia. If Trump hates Mexican because they're Hispanic, he can offer that as a defence against the charge of hating Mexicans because they're Mexican.

In Hitler's case his outlook was so utterly based on race, with such elaborate theories of race worth I can't see much room for Xenophobia. Now Stalin was deffo Xenophobic. Simply having been abroad tainted you in his opinion. (Who was the aircraft designer who ended up in the Gulab because he once went to an airshow in Paris?!)

Trump's miserable failures so far:

Resignations from his team.
Still not having a full staff at the WH.
Making claims on Twitter without any evidence to back them up.
Instituting immigration policies that reduce the situation in the ports to complete chaos.
Trying to do this failed action for a second time that already seems to be going the same way due to a Judicial challenge.
Continuing to exhibit only the very slimmest of grasp on issues of the day (ie: International Women's Day) and making himself look ignorant and foolish.
Obsessing over trivia that has absolutely nothing to do with the job he's SUPPOSED to be doing (the arguing with Arnold Shwarzenegger about "You're Fired" or whatever the stupid thing is called).
Making claims for successful outcomes that were initiated BEFORE he became President.
Lauding a "Day of Action" to demonstrate his popularity with national demonstrations, at which three people and a dog turned up.
Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.
Still not having a clue about what he's going to replace "Obamacare" with, leaving millions of Americans suddenly without health insurance.
I could go on.

Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?

Anybody?

"Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?"

What supporters? He's got the lowest ratings ever. Even the people who voted for him don't rate him.

I was hoping that the In House Trumpettes might respond...

Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?

He's draining the swamp, bigly.

Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.

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😀

"Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing."

It hadn't struck me 'till now but as a campaign message "It's not possible to bring manufacturing jobs to the USA because Robots do them all" is not going to play well with voters.

I can see why people might vote for the guy who's going to try, over the candidate who thinks it's already a lost cause.

Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.

Not all of them use robots - some still use human fleshbags because they cost less than robots. Production line jobs, working long hours for a fraction of the US minimum wage, living on site in factory dormitories, with pretty "relaxed" approaches to H&S and employee rights.

I'm sure those are exactly the kind of jobs that Trump supporters want. 🙄

@ninfan

You will note that this rise in employment is the latest growth figure going back to the 2009 crash.

It therefore has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with Obama's administration and policies.

Trump has been telling everybody that the economy is a disaster and that his insistence on bringing back American firms (who's workforce is mainly robotic) to relocate inside the USA is faulty in two instances. 1: According to your own link, the problem does not exist and 2: is another example of his habit of claiming to fix problems caused by the previous administration where there are none.

I do wish you'd do just a [i]little[/i] deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.

"Not all of them use robots - some still use human fleshbags because they cost less than robots. Production line jobs, working long hours for a fraction of the US minimum wage, living on site in factory dormitories, with pretty "relaxed" approaches to H&S and employee rights."

...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic. There's something cultural they get right and we get wrong.

"It therefore has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with Obama's administration and policies."

5 minutes ago you were saying manufacturing job growth was impossible because robots. Now you're saying it's already been done.