Donald! Trump!

are you actually agreeing with me that the comparison between Switzerland and the US on the basis of gun ownership is spurious, hence that Dilbert Adams is talking cobblers? (don't worry, I'm not expecting a coherent reply - like all my questions to you it's effectively to make a point rather than elicit an answer)

Surely saying that there is a comparison is completely the opposite to what Adams was suggesting, that Trump making the USA [b]more[/b] like Switzerland would be a good thing.

will the n-word tapes finish him or just excite his base even more?

Lots of hints and suggestions, not a lot of proof. Imagine if someone just put the allegation out there because they were trying to damage his campaign?

Ah, so you think that Adams is suggesting that Switzerland is nothing like the US?

[quote=ninfan ]Imagine if someone just put the allegation out there because they were trying to damage his campaign?

Yeah - making allegations without any evidence would be a very low way to run a campaign.

Imagine if someone just put the allegation out there because they were trying to damage his campaign?

Meeting fire with fire - arguably q appropriate in this debased world

Why does a man with so much money wear such nasty ill-fitting suits?

The suits fit fine, it's just that he's shaped like a chimpanzee ****ing a doorknob

Lots of hints and suggestions, not a lot of proof. Imagine if someone just put the allegation out there because they were trying to damage his campaign?

maybe its all just smoke and no fire

but a man who happily brags about sexual assault (corroborating exactly what his alleged victim described him doing to her) doesnt seem likely to hold back on anything really

sitting with some doctors at lunch today, they all agreed that his latest tweets were sounding more and more like a psychotic break of some sort

IF the n-word tapes exist and are released I think he could end up having a very public meltdown

will the n-word tapes finish him or just excite his base even more?

It's not his base that is the problem. They will still vote for him.

The moderate middle-class Republicans that would have voted for him now find it hard to justify after his sexual assault "bantz" because they all have mothers, or wives or daughters. An easy excuse for them to cast their vote elsewhere.

I predict that any tape that emerging with any racial slurs will have a minor impact on black voters as he wasn't favourable anyway, although he will obviously lose more. Its biggest impact will be on the much more racially integrated millennials.

I'm sure another tape will emerge to lose him another demographic, but what and when I won't guess.

[quote=kimbers ]sitting with some doctors at lunch today, they all agreed that his latest tweets were sounding more and more like a psychotic break of some sort

I presume they were all made from an Android device 😉

I think Trump is doing great, and will surely win. Give the guy a break.

Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!

Watching Newsnight, I was filled with a genuinely deep sadness. People who feel let down by politics are placing their misplaced hopes on a narcissist who will surely fail them,Why? Because other than representing a path to power they are of no consequence to him.

If blacks felt let down by a lame Obama, this is nothing compared to the crushing hangover that could descend on middle America if Trump wins.

Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll)

Donald may have told you that but its just not true is it.

Missed the smiley oldnpastit? Would be interesting to see his path to victory? Which states can he win?

I thought I would directly quote his twitter feed. It's really rather exhilarating to spout complete tosh. I can see why he does it.

Still they have had the first black president most likely a women next. When the inevitable, it makes little difference dawns on them, maybe they go all in for the nutter next time!

Well Casey Neistat has taken a stance and urged other popular YouTubers to get off the fence and do likewise to get the younger generation voting.

If you don't think that is a big deal, bear in mind the guy has over 5.3 million subscribers. This video is less than 12 hours old and has 1.3 million views.

(LOTS of angry comments from Trumpettes too 😆 )

, maybe they go all in for the nutter next time

trump has so many heart disease red flags that he'll not be around for the next one

Make of this what you will:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

Where is JHJ when you need him?

@ kimbers - Whilst the plebs and shills continue to play silly buggers/stitching each other up, there will always be unscrupulous manipulators who will take full advantage and people who will choose to **** things up as a result.

So I'd expect to see many more of these nutters both here and around the world.

Make of this what you will:

Given his free and liberal option on facts who cares really. He has made his bed and that is that.
However...
[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37639839 ]Trump Groped Woman Like an Octopus[/url]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/12/former-miss-teen-usa-contestants-claim-donald-trump-walked-in-on/

Proving that if you fling enough mud people will start looking a bit more closely at your work

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-12/un-human-rights-chief-trump-would-be-dangerous-if-elected/7927310

This one is worth it for the tweets 🙂
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-13/eric-trump-claims-donald-momentum-with-map-of-only-male-voters/7928526

Playing the odds which candidate is more likely to be touring the inside of a courtroom first?

Clinton will not see the inside of a courtroom for the simple reason despite numerous politically motivated investigations nothing illegal has ever been found

@tj she's releatedly lied about emails / Beghazi to the Senate Commitee, deliberately destroyed evidence and conducted security sensitive Government business on insecure personal server

@tj she's releatedly lied about emails / Beghazi to the Senate Commitee, deliberately destroyed evidence and conducted security sensitive Government business on insecure personal server

Dear lord how can you keep spouting drivel like this. She has been investigated for all of these issues and at no point has anyone who actually knows what they are talking about come to the conclusion that she has acted illegally.

That is not to say that she is whiter than white not that some of those things were sensible or that she shouldn't be criticised but they were not illegal.

Lets contrast that with the statement that Trumps said about sending a political opponent to jail.

I'm getting the feeling that it won't be Hilary in jail

Trump is sounding more Jimmy Saville by the day

The holiday show was filmed at Trump Tower and includes a group of 10-year-old girls. Trump asks one if she is going up the escalator. When she tells him she is, he looks at the camera and says to the home audience: “I’m am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

Trump is sounding more Jimmy Saville by the day

From that Snopes article above, Trump is friends with convicted billionaire paedo Jeffrey Epstein and in [url= http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/ ]a 2002 magazine story about Epstein[/url] he said:

...if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that [b]he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side[/b]. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

😯

[b]Jamba[/b] But the FBI said regarding the emails there were no grounds to proceed...

Watch the John Oliver analysis from last week - Was she silly in the way she dealt with her e mails? Yes.

Has she refused to be open about her personal finances, called all mexicans rapists, been physically inappropriate towards lots of people, demonstrated a contempt for legitmate process and suggested her supporters should kill her opponent? Has she been involved in launching over a hundred failed and often intimidatory lawsuits and taken lots of peoples money. No.

She is the least worst perhaps, but she does actually know something about the world and has a track record of delivering something other than grade A BS.

Been through that Stoatsbrother. Apparently they just didn't look hard enough.

Was it a typo all along?

Was the Trump campaign slogan supposed to be 'Making America Grope Again?'

tj she's releatedly lied about emails / Beghazi to the Senate Commitee, deliberately destroyed evidence and conducted security sensitive Government business on insecure personal server

Ohh FFS, you do know over 200 Marines died when the embassy in Kenya was bombed in '93? (or whenever it was) People in Public Service who volunteer to go abroad to dangerous locations KNOW the risk they take.

Emails...Her telling Bono that the State Dept won't support his request to get U2 songs played on the ISS isn't email traffic I'm particularity bothered about. If Donald Trump is an alternative because of careless "paperwork" (because that's essentially all the year long FBI report amounted to) then you really are dumber than you appear on here.

Donald Trump is a list of hateful statements about Muslims and Walls and Mexicans and a blithe refusal to offer anything approaching sensible policy proposals on how any of this neo-Nazi bullshit wish list could possibly be achieved. And all the while still finding the time to be rude, nasty, loud, mean, cruel, hateful and boorish.

That a presidential nominee considers it a valid debating tactic to tell his opponent that he is going to investigate her husband for rape shows what sort of man he is (alongside the putting her in jail thing). No policies, no idea, just a hate filled bag of piss with an orange mop on top.

Trump is changing the party name from GOP to GROPE 😉

[quote=jambalaya ]@tj she's releatedly lied about emails / Beghazi to the Senate Commitee, deliberately destroyed evidence and conducted security sensitive Government business on insecure personal server
Most would agree, her record is clouded

Given this there really is no need to make shit up as it weakens your position not strengthens it

Furthermore when the alternative is a a hate filled bag of piss with an orange mop on top then lord only knows what sort of person would continue to support the sexual assaulting bigotted racist

She has been investigated for all of these issues and at no point has anyone who actually knows what they are talking about come to the conclusion that she has acted illegally.

Trump is a bawbag and nothing is going to change his most zealous supporters mind. Not facts, not even the hateful lies that spew from his mouth. There is a video of one of his supporters saying that even if he admitted raping women they would still consider supporting him, so against that attitude how can reason or logic or the truth have any chance.

I thought I would have a browse of the New York Times - it has Clinton 89% chance of winning which is good news. Lots of stories about Trump and his lies and behaviour.

I wonder what he will do after his loss? Will he scream "I was robbed" ? He cannot accept being beaten or wrong in any way but how will he cope with losing the election?

@tjagain
"how will he cope with losing the election?"

The same way he is dealing with supposedly winning all the poles at present - simply tell any one that will listen that the dodgy trending poles after every TV appearance are the most accurate, can't be fudged and show he is winning/won.

[quote=Rusty Mac ]@tjagain
"how will he cope with losing the election?"
The same way he is dealing with supposedly winning all the poles at present - simply tell any one that will listen that the dodgy trending poles after every TV appearance are the most accurate, can't be fudged and show he is winning/won.

you mean he'll pretend he's actually won?

I wonder what he will do after his loss? Will he scream "I was robbed" ?

how will he cope with losing the election?

[url= http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo ]Fivethirtyeight have been calling it for Hilary for ages now [/url]

It's all about the college votes in US elections after all.

I wonder what he will do after his loss? Will he scream "I was robbed" ?

I think his ego will be hurt so he will spout shit then try and make money out of it all

I heard a suggestion somewhere that they should just tell Trump he won, set him up in a dummy White House and make it a reality TV show. Would be epic.

I heard a suggestion somewhere that they should just tell Trump he won, set him up in a dummy White House and make it a reality TV show. Would be epic.

wow, thatd be amazing, until he invited a load of 13 year old girls round for a victory party

I thought I would have a browse of the New York Times

One interesting thing about this election is that the NYT is now branding outright falsehoods as lies when a candidate (mostly Trump) says them. Previously they were loathe to call politicians liars but now they're all over it.

I think his ego will be hurt so he will spout shit then try and make money out of it all

Certainly, Fox isn't extreme enough but luckily, the majority of his ventures go tits up so there's no real worry. A host on RT I can certainly see though 🙂

Previously they were loathe to call politicians liars but now they're all over it.

I thought I would have a browse of the New York Times - it has Clinton 89% chance of winning which is good news.

If you publish polls that suggest a skew too far towards one candidate to be believable (and remember, despite how much of a buffoon he is there appears to be A LOT of people willing to vote for Trump) and "sensible" people on the other side, above and beyond the usual loonies, are going to start asking questions re: polling machine fraud etc.
Better to stick to the close, but believable to the losing side, leading by 10-15 points type polls.

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@tjagain
"how will he cope with losing the election?"

*I have not seen his tax returns but thought it fair to make shit up anyway

I'd also suggest he will be inundated with meeting requests from lawyers, courts, the IRS and a few law enforcement people to deal with some very serious allegations that have been made about him.

it has Clinton 89% chance of winning

As mentioned earlier though, it's amazing just how direct the press are getting though. It's as if everyone has recognised that subtlety is just to risky now. The Australian New South Wales parliament motion [url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/13/nsw-parliament-passes-motion-saying-donald-trump-is-a-revolting-slug ]to declare him a slug[/url] was amusing. It's also reassuring now though that they appear to be going after the folks lower down the list which suggests that they are confident of the win

Is there an argument for it being better if he does win?
If you were a Yank I think it would be a trainwreck, but for us in the UK....?

Will America under Trump just give up on the middle east and pull out, leaving them to their own devices?
Would it become a very insular nation in general and leave the rest of the world to fill the vacuum it has left?
Would that assuage the Russians and Chinese and defuse the tensions there?

Would American society crumble and fail and stand as a warning to the rest of the world not to vote for these nutters/populists? Would it change the political conversation?

I have no idea, it's very complex, but worth thinking about???

Is there an argument for it being better if he does win?

[u][i][b]NO[/b][/i][/u]

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and remember, despite how much of a buffoon he is there appears to be A LOT of people willing to vote for Trump

Yes there are. There are states where he'll probably win the popular vote by so close to 100% as makes no difference, and yet those stupid folk will still worry about "voter fraud" in places so far away from them that FoxNews will have to pin the name to a map...

However it means nothing if 100% of the folk of Dogshit, Wisconsin or Mianus Connecticut vote for you if the state only has 3 electoral college votes...

There's no way around it. He really is a bumhole.

However it means nothing if 100% of the folk of Dogshit, Wisconsin or Mianus Connecticut vote for you if the state only has 3 electoral college votes...

tjagain - Member
I wonder what he will do after his loss?

Will he scream "I was robbed"? He cannot accept being beaten or wrong in any way but how will he cope with losing the election?

p/s: Good to see you back TJ.

found this a interesting read about why some will vote from Trump
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

I wonder what he will do after his loss?

Probably buy up half of the "independent" Scotland because SNP will welcome him with group hug to encourage investment.

That would be the same SNP from which Alex Salmond said of Trump: "If he wins, I'm moving to Antarctica because it's the only place the radiation won't reach."

Have you anything pertinent to say about anything, chewkw? I mean, at all?

Mr Woppit - Member

Probably buy up half of the "independent" Scotland because SNP will welcome him with group hug to encourage investment.

That would be the same SNP from which Alex Salmond said of Trump: "If he wins, I'm moving to Antarctica because it's the only place the radiation won't reach."

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Have you anything pertinent to say about anything, chewkw? I mean, at all?

[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/donald-trump-vs-alex-salmond-its-a-shame-they-cant-both-lose/ ]Some news bloke wrote this article. [/url]

[i][b]It is always sad when friends fall out like this. If only we could instead preserve the sweet memory of happier times. [u]Like when the Scottish government – presided over by one Alexander Salmond – did its very best to ensure Trump’s grandiose golf project on the Menie estate went ahead.[/u][/b][/i]

Gay Pee-Wee Herman is back:

I almost can't be bothered, but - Salmond has admitted how he and the SNP were hoodwinked by Trump and have said that they will never again give him the time of day.

Stop posting old news and trying to support your drivelling.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's hear it for the New York Times:

[url= http://www.nytco.com/the-new-york-timess-response-to-donald-trumps-retraction-letter/ ]http://www.nytco.com/the-new-york-timess-response-to-donald-trumps-retraction-letter/[/url]

I love the idea of the owners, lawyers and editors sitting round a table. "Well, what should our response to Mr Trump's threat of legal action be?"
"Let's call him a ****"

It is a great piece of work and was quite clear from the start that they new what he would do. Bluff called

It's good, but it's no Arkell vs Pressdram

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2013/08/arkell-v-pressdram.html?m=1

Although the mood has changed now they were mates before so no I don't say anything as the proof is in that photo above. Aren't they happy in that photo?

So let's get this right, the SNP gets hoodwinked (they kissed his ass for money) and then they are aloud to run a country. Same stupid politicians, same stupid political party. What Salmond allowed Trump to do is disgusting.

That's a great response from the NYT 🙂

I almost can't be bothered, but - Salmond has admitted how he and the SNP were hoodwinked by Trump and have said that they will never again give him the time of day.

Well that's OK then.

I mean Trump, bankrupt strip club owner and reality TV star, came across as such an honest and pleasant character with that golf course development. 🙄

Missing the point.

According to the maggotty one, Scotland would do the same again.

Clearly, they won't be doing anything of the sort.

To be fair the SNP and Salmond are just like any other political party ( often the centre left). They love a bit of money sucking up to those that have it. A fine example of this would be Blair and his mate Mandelson, Brown to a less extent.
Trump of course knows this and uses it to get his own way as always. They'll let you do anything when you promise money.

Dear lord how can you keep spouting drivel like this. She has been investigated for all of these issues and at no point has anyone who actually knows what they are talking about come to the conclusion that she has acted illegally.

@gonefishing she has been ordered to appear before a Federal Judge under threat of Pergury - she has repeatedly said, including to Senate Committee, she did not know that using a personal email server for Government business was illegal / breach of security. That's a lie under oath in my and may ofher peoples opinion. Remember her defence to FBI for not knowing what constituted a government secret was she fell over and hit her head and forgot everything.

Salmond. Remember he wrote to RBS encouraging them to press ahead with their acquisition on ABN Amro inckuding their large US Subprime operation, it was this deal that killed the bank. As for Trump they where only too keen to take his money and grant him the planning per ission he wanted. Salmond and the SNP weren't hoodwinked by anyone, they knew what they where doing and encouraged him to invest in Scotland

I wonder what the Economist thinks of Trump?

'The debasing of American politics'
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/tracking-trump-presidential-candidate

Is not everyone who appears before a judge under threat of perjury as you do have to tell the truth - is there really a judge you are allowed to lie to? Your statement is to make it look "worse" or more severe than just having to answer some questions in court

That's a lie under oath in my and may other peoples opinion

the FBI stated that Clinton was "extremely careless" in handling her email system but recommended that no charges be filed against Clinton. On July 6, 2016, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced that no charges would be filed. On July 7, the State Department reopened its probe into the email controversy. On September 2, 2016, the FBI published a 58 page report on the investigation into her server

According to Clinton's spokesperson Nick Merrill, a number of government officials have used private email accounts for official business, including secretaries of state before Clinton.[37] State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said that: "For some historical context, Secretary Kerry is the first secretary of state to rely primarily on a state.gov email account."[30]

@gonefishing she has been ordered to appear before a Federal Judge under threat of Pergury

Firstly 😆

A right wing group has brought a nuisance lawsuit and made a freedom of information request, a judge has ordered her to answer some questions.

Pergury (sic) is not a threat, it is the act of making intentionally false statements in legally binding situations. Committing perjury is against the law in that it is a normal point of procedure in law, stating it as a threat is just hysterical hyperbole.

That's a lie under oath in my and may other peoples opinion.

I was going to reply to this but Junky and MSP have it pretty much covered.

What does amaze me though is that with there being plenty of policy from Clinton available why do people not concentrate on criticising that rather than relying on made up garbage like the emails and the "rape defender"

That's a great response from the NYT

I always enjoy it when they skip straight over 'the story is true' to the 'you had no reputation left for us to ruin anyway' in response to libel action threats. 🙂

under threat of Pergury

Looks like Hillary is going full on for the Reagan Iran-Contra Alzheimer's defence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37651858

cut n paste for reps trying to save their party

Well, this is embarrassing.

It appears that Donald Trump is not the man I thought he was at all.

I must withdraw my support. I cannot in good conscience endorse this man. Not in light of the tape of him speaking cavalierly to Billy Bush of taking advantage of his powerful position to assault women, or the allegations that he did exactly what he boasted about.

Truly, I never saw this coming. Not when he said that Megyn Kelly was crazy and had “blood coming out of her … wherever.” Not when he retweeted that meme about Heidi Cruz. Not with all those decades of footage of him boasting on the radio about how dodging sexually transmitted diseases was his Vietnam, a totally normal thing that people of course say all the time, respected people whom I feel fine electing president.

Not when he called a former Miss Universe “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping.” Not when the female employee who testified that he was a perfectly fine boss also said that he kept a “fat picture” of her in a drawer to motivate her.

Not when he supported Howard Stern calling his daughter Ivanka a “piece of a*sterisk” and said on “The View” that he’d date her, AS THOUGH THAT WERE A COMPLIMENT AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WALDER FREY OR AN OEDIPAL NIGHTMARE PERSON WOULD SAY.

Not when he was on TV looking at his baby daughter Tiffany and wondering about when she would have breasts like her mother.

“Yes,” I said to myself then, “a man who looks at a baby and says, ‘Ah, what a shame that I cannot sexualize this infant yet’ — that is a man who I bet does not have a problem with women. That is a man who should be president. He will certainly be different, and different is what I want!”

All of these remarks that Donald Trump made when he knew his microphone was on did not appall me. They seemed normal and fine, and I stood by them.

So I was BLINDSIDED by the remarks that Trump made when he did not know his microphone was on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/10/13/well-of-course-i-disavow-donald-trump-now/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.974def8071b7

Looks like Hillary is going full on for the Reagan Iran-Contra Alzheimer's defence:

Yup. Plus the blood clot on the brain was definitely not a stroke, no not at all. She fell, she hit her head, she forgot, she couldn't work for weeks / months ? All while Secretary of State.

If she repeats the lies under oath in front of the judge she'll be toast. If she says something different (ie I forgot) she'll be asked why.

She used a personal server to cover things up and to enable her to delete messages in a way that they could not be traced.

As Trump and his increasingly small band of republican backers spin into anti-illuminati teritory
Clinton is now confident enough to talk about other stuff too

“We haven’t had a chance to talk about how we’re going to fix what doesn’t work with the Affordable Care Act,” she continued. “We haven’t gotten a chance to talk about how we’re going to defend women’s rights and Planned Parenthood, gay rights ... voter rights ... disability rights … workers’ rights … And we haven’t had much of a chance to talk about how I intend to take on the gun lobby.”

a post Trump rep party will be punished in the senate by disgruntled reps who blame them for backing/not backing Trump

Theyve been courting this madness for years with their endorsements of the Tea Party movenment

Except, you know, the FBI said there was no crime committed.

Plus the blood clot on the brain was definitely not a stroke, no not at all. She fell, she hit her head, she forgot, she couldn't work for weeks / months ? All while Secretary of State.

appear before a Federal Judge under threat of Pergury