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If a dog poops in the woods with no-one to hear it, is it still poop?
No. it's Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhite
Heads to landfill
Not where I live....goes to an Energy Recovery Facility and gets fed into the National Grid.
Ro5ey - thats what we used to do. Dog did its business in the garden, collected into a bucket and washed down the sewer using the hose.
not difficult to train the pooch to poop in one corner/area of the garden.
perchypanther
"You do realise that everyone says they pick up their dog’s poo…"It’s really not hard.
Dog’s are pretty simple minded creatures and pretty easy to train to do what you want.
I'm amazed, you can train dogs to pick up poo?
What I was saying, I thought it was obvious, sorry - is that what people SAY and what they DO when nobody is watching, are different things. so asking the question "Do you pick up after your dog" really won't achieve anything. Therefore, neither would - "If your dog pooed in the field would you pick it up or not?".
I’m amazed, you can train dogs to pick up poo?
They dont need training for that
I buy bright dog poo bags and often leave them behind trees or signposts if I know I’m walking back down that path on my way home and there isn’t a bin in the direction I’m traveling in as I’d rather no carry a bag of poo around. I’ve never forgotten to pick up a used dog poo bag.
not to pick on you specifically, but I hate this attitude. If I'm going for a walk or ride in the countryside, regardless of where it is, I simply don't want to see bags of shit hanging about - even if you are going to pick it up later. Visually, it's disgusting.
If you want to own a dog, then own it responsibly. That means picking its shit up, putting it in a bag, and carrying it to a bin. If you walk doesn't include a bin, then consider what walk your planning on doing, and if carrying a bag of your dogs shit is too arduous, consider whether you should really own the mutt.
I buy bright dog poo bags and often leave them behind trees or signposts if I know I’m walking back down that path on my way home and there isn’t a bin in the direction I’m traveling in as I’d rather no carry a bag of poo around. I’ve never forgotten to pick up a used dog poo bag.
I think quite a few entitled dog owners hold this opinion, by the number of bagged shits I see by the side of the trail. I've seen people do it and have mentioned it to a couple who have said they'll pick it up later. I don't want to see your animal's shit on the side of the trail and I don't want my kids getting it all over them. Take it with you.
OK what about down the toilet ?
We got a Puppy coming Sunday week and for back garen jobs do you bag n bin or down the toilet.
Now carrying the mutt’s biz through the house isn’t great obvs…. but what about if I’ve got access to the soil pipe outside ??
You can but you must put it down the toilet and flush. Drains rely on the water carrying solids down the pipes, you may inadvertently block the pipe without the water going down too.
Obviously don’t put the bag down the drain.
I have heard of people storing full dog poo bags in their dog's saddle bag. Seems like a good solution for those that don't want to use it as a hand warmer.
While we are at it, foxes and badgers... no one is calling for a cull of the ****ers are they?
Uh. Yes?
OK what about down the toilet ?
Huh. I do this with cat poo. It never even crossed my mind that it might be problematic. Is it?
I buy bright dog poo bags and often leave them behind trees or signposts
I simply don’t want to see bags of shit hanging about
I mean, I take your point and agree with you. Less of an eyesore issue for me but rather I always wonder, "are they coming back for that or have they just dumped it?" But the poster said they're hiding them, so the only way you'd see them is if you went crawling around behind trees looking for them. Which would be a bit weird.
On the other hand though, sucks if you're a geocacher.
At our old house, any 'garden' waste was scooped up in a shovel' lifted the sewer drain cover and away it went - quick blast of the hose for any remnants. We have a septic tank here, so it gets bagged in a compostable bag and goes in the wheelie bin. We clean up 99% of the time - the only exception is if I'm walking/running somewhere remote and the dog well off-track amongst the heather where it's difficult to fish it out. I will however clean-up in the local fields where there is livestock - interestingly all the local farmers/shootists don't. Don't start on cat crap - there was research that suggested that most toxicara infections in children were due to things like cats on domestic surfaces, not from dog poo in parks.
Just what is the point of bagging it in a biodegradable bag then either leaving it or chucking it?
... so passers-by don't tell them off for not bagging it.
That or they're just morons, anyway.
For the remote leavers, bush flickers and bag hiders; the locations your leaving these things aren't that remote, the bush your leaving it under isn't that out of the way, and the bag your hiding isn't that well hidden. Youre the reason there's a dog shiz literally everywhere and anywhere you step foot these days.
so everyone else is quite happy with tonnes of plastic bagged dog poop going into landfill?
What do you think happens with the millions of soiled disposable nappies every day...?
I once climbed up a huge wall and much to my surprise when I crested the top my hand landed on a massive dog turd. This was years ago and to this day I still can’t figure how it got there. The wall was about ten feet high. Proof that dog shit is everywhere! Seriously, how the **** did it get there?
If you have a dog, pick up the turds and take them with you.
This thread is good PR for cats.
Deals with its own poo. Buries it somewhere outside, maybe the garden, maybe someone elses.
This thread is good PR for cats.
Deals with its own poo. Buries it somewhere outside, maybe the garden, maybe someone elses.
YES, IN MY BLOODY GARDEN WHERE I DON'T WANT CAT TURDS.
I recently got two kittens to add to an existing cat. They are all indoor kitties for varying reasons so aren't trying to shit in anyone else's garden. Which is good because the neighbour on one side has variously laced the top of our dividing wall with barbed wire and concreted-in bottoms of broken milk bottles.
There's some sort of weird logic puzzle going on in the house currently around "if one cat can fill one litter tray in X time, how long will it take three of them to fill three trays?" Spoiler, it ain't X. I think I'm literally witnessing a pissing contest.
Bloody dog-shitting, log-burning, German car-driving, Seiko-wearing, Sonos-listening, Radio 6-loving, Leica-viewing, Ooni pizza-eating, On One-riding, 15 year old single malt-drinking, Motorola-talking, back in the day-boasting, winter tyre-using, craft/artisan/handmade-loving people. I salute you all...
You can but you must put it down the toilet and flush. Drains rely on the water carrying solids down the pipes, you may inadvertently block the pipe without the water going down too.
Never heard of anyone emptying their toilet of liquid before filling it with solids, so why the cautionary tail?
Well then Kerley and the other stick and flickers you are selfish beyond belief. Not everyone walks exactly on the path do they? But you've decided what's right for everyone.
Disgusting selfish behaviour. Just take it home with you.
why the cautionary tail?
When it's wagging it's usually happy rather than cautionary.
Oh and the "bags are bad for the environment so I just leave/spread dog muck around" argument. Jesus wept, if you are concerned about the environment don't get a dog in the first place.
Well then Kerley and the other stick and flickers you are selfish beyond belief. Not everyone walks exactly on the path do they? But you’ve decided what’s right for everyone.
I live in the New Forest, this one;
https://www.newforestdog.org.uk/article/202/working-together-for-a-cleaner-forest
You will note;
- On paths away from car parks or picnic areas, use a stick to flick poo into shrubby vegetation, where people cannot tread on it.
I would write to them if I were you. Remember to use green ink.
You will note;
– On paths away from car parks or picnic areas, use a stick to flick poo into shrubby vegetation, where people cannot tread on it.I would write to them if I were you. Remember to use green ink
Seems odd, that goes against their own code of practice which just says pick it up. You can imagine this in green ink if it helps 😉
– On paths away from car parks or picnic areas, use a stick to flick poo into shrubby vegetation, where people cannot tread on it.
The "cannot tread on it" bit is often confused with "in loose leaves or long grass where children will surely run or fall into it".
The stick and flick option isn’t the best option but a compromise.
Well then Kerley and the other stick and flickers you are selfish beyond belief. Not everyone walks exactly on the path do they? But you’ve decided what’s right for everyone.
Disgusting selfish behaviour. Just take it home with you.
+1
– On paths away from car parks or picnic areas, use a stick to flick poo into shrubby vegetation, where people cannot tread on it.
Is more about not wanting to empty dig poo bins and trying to avoid bags hanging off trees than accepting that spreading dog poo around is acceptable behaviour
It still doesn't stop those who flick being dicks
The stick and flick option isn’t the best option but a compromise.
The "don't stray from the path" strategy, it's not a compromise, it just allows dog owners to ignore their responsibilities and makes a space into a dog toilet
As I said previously, stick and flick can do more than just leave a little smelly landmine for someone to tread in, it can change the nutrients in the soils and in doing so impact the ecosystem in some fragile areas.
In some cases stick and flick is OK; in all cases bag and bin is OK, so if in any doubt, bag and bin.
As for the link in Kerley's email, that is interestingly a dog owners group and their opinion on whether S&F is OK. They say they are "working with the Forestry Commission and New Forest National Park Authority to improve the experience of local people and visitors to the forest" but that doesn't explicitly mention dog poo - just the experience of others in the forest. Although as it's on the page about it I think it's reasonable to assume poo is part of the agenda.
But i went a little deeper (being careful where to tread obviously) and looked at the websites of both the forestry commission and the New Forest to see if they say anything specifically.
FC: "Bag and bin your dog's waste. Or 'stick and flick' it when you're deeper in the woods"
https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code
NFDC: "Dog fouling is an offence. The council can issue a Fixed Penalty Notice of £50 to anyone who fails to clear up after their dog. The law states that being unaware a dog has fouled or not having a suitable bag is not a reasonable excuse.
You can use any plastic bag to pick up your dog's waste. It must be put in a public dog waste bin or a public litter bin for general waste"
I'd be interested to what extent therefore the Dog Owner page's advice is really that of NFDC. I'd also query whether the NFDC advice, which knows more about the ecology of the area specifically or the FC advice which covers all of England is more reliable.
Which brings me back to being unsure whether S&F is really acceptable in the New Forest but certain that bag and bin is.
On that basis, I'd really like it if Kerley would stop using stick and flick.
I bought a wee shoulder bag from Trespass for our Groo turds and bags. Saves having to carry the things everywhere. I seem to remember some sort of disbelief when I asked if something like that existed, seems I'm not the only one who's not partial to a hand warmer.
Oh and 100% attempt record here, can't do anything about the occasional runny one but do our best.
On that basis, I’d really like it if Kerley would stop using stick and flick.
You are going to be disappointed. I will continue to flick into hedgerows, bramble bushes etc,. where no one is ever going to walk. I will now take a picture each time I do it and post it on this thread as I love annoying people with zero sense of perspective.
I like to go for walks in the woods sometimes. I don't always stick to the trail, sometimes I go looking for something interesting (a bird? a nest? a fox hole? an edible plant? etc etc) and walk through the undergrowth.
Yes I have trodden in dog mess doing this. Multiple times.
I also have young children who like to run around and explore when walking in these places. I can only remember one time they've actually trodden in the stuff but I've had to warn them many times (granted the early warnings are only for the stuff flicked to/left at the edge of the path. I can't warn about the hidden ones that are properly and, erm, responsibly flicked).
I don't live anywhere near the New Forest but did go there on holiday once as a child. Great memories, mainly of how much fun it was to run around in the deep undergrowth.
You are going to be disappointed. I will continue to flick into hedgerows, bramble bushes etc,. where no one is ever going to walk. I will now take a picture each time I do it and post it on this thread as I love annoying people with zero sense of perspective.
Do whatever you like, it wont change the fact you're behaving in a selfish manner. This doesn't reflect well on you and your likeminded allies.
Oh and let's not hear a peep from you when other people behave in an anti-social way which negatively affects you.
I live in the New Forest, this one;> https://www.newforestdog.org.uk/article/202/working-together-for-a-cleaner-forest < You will note; – On paths away from car parks or picnic areas, use a stick to flick poo into shrubby vegetation, where people cannot tread on it. I would write to them if I were you. Remember to use green ink.
We'll I see your daft made-up-on the spot 'advice' has already been shown to have no weight at all, so I will save my green ink reserves.
However, the actual guidance notes this:
Dog waste is an offensive type of litter. It is unpleasant for everyone and can also be dangerous.
Contact with dog waste can cause toxocariasis in humans, a rare infection caused by roundworms in the digestive tract of dogs. Symptoms of toxocariasis can include dizziness, nausea, asthma and even blindness or seizures.
Visit the NHS website for more information on toxocariasis.
I suggest you wright to them with your green peen (or dog faeces, you decide) and tell them that they are wrong.
Well aware of the dangers of dog poo so I won't be needing to borrow your green pen, which I imagine is running low as you seem very angry.
However, a dog poo flicked into a hedge where nobody is ever going to come into contact with it is not causing a danger. Keep an eye out for upcoming photos.
It's not just about people walking in it, it's about the impact on the underlying ecology.
Don't you care about that part?
Cat owners on the thread:
Look the only way out of this is to tax and insure dogs and maybe have a numberplate on them....
Cat owners on the thread:
No, a true cat owner would know to look where they're stepping around garden borders.
You are going to be disappointed. I will continue to flick into hedgerows, bramble bushes etc,. where no one is ever going to walk. I will now take a picture each time I do it and post it on this thread as I
love annoying people with zero sense of perspective.am a dick
FIFY
However, a dog poo flicked into a hedge where nobody is ever going to come into contact with it is not causing a danger.
And probably a lot of other activities.
Cat owners on the thread:
Ours are kept indoors.
I suggest you wright to them with your green peen
I suggest a pencil and some antibiotics.
https://www.geocaching.com/
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*Dons flameproof coverall*
Just a posh version of littering! (As in needing an expensive gadget to find the litter).