[Closed] Dog exercisers, do you actually care about other peoples safety

So, given the circumstances of [s]Samuri's fantasy
[/s] the situation posted above, would you rather:

A: Spend the next 15 years picking up dogshit two or three times a day.

or

B: Be anally violated?

Bear in mind that the type of dog that could stand up to these bum-loving criminals would have to be a hefty beast, and that the total amount of excrement could be very large indeed.

The situation isn't relevant to me as I don't watch EastEnders, but perhaps we could have a front page poll for those that do?

Bag it and bin it. If in the middle of nowhere stick and flick out of the way where it'll decompose. Hanging it in trees is nasty.

Surely samurai's scenario just demonstrates that dogs can't understand human speach.

i dont know where the OP is based but i've never seen a single bag of dog poo hanging from a tree round these parts, and there are a LOT of dogs. there's also a LOT of cyclists. as a general rule everyone's very considerate of each other 🙂

personally i like to collect all the dog poo and throw it at children's faces from my bike, thus ensuring a swift getaway.

If in the middle of nowhere stick and flick out of the way where it'll decompose

where it will be a biohazard to humans still, and will additionally cause soil enrichment and loss of habitat for native fauna due to number of antisocial pet owners doing the same

double win for those who CBA to bag it and bin it everytime

Phil +1. Anyway just off to take my dogs out. Bags ready, treats/whistle ready to ensure complete control. Only ever seen two bags in the trees near me. Oddly in the same tree???

I think samurai's dellusional scenario should be at the forefront of the next rspca adopt a dog campaign. It could end with the pooch stood next to the broken violated body of a dog owner, tenderly licking their face or having a good old sniff of their bottom.

They suggest that more than one person in the house is going to get raped. And you're the only person in the house.

Yeah, but most dogs on hearing this will think 'mmmm, I'm the only other person in here, sod that, I'm outta here' and whooosh, cartoon like profile of dog with tail firmly between its legs through back door panel... 😯

Surely samurai's scenario just demonstrates that dogs can't understand human speach.

There is a field of linguistic study that supposes that speech actually developed at about the same time that the wild dogs were being domesticated, as humans needed a way to communicate with them. Two cavemen could communicate using signs and pointing, etc, but dogs, especially when used as hunting animals, rely on sound for communication.

where it will be a biohazard to humans still, and will additionally cause soil enrichment and loss of habitat for native fauna due to number of antisocial pet owners doing the same

You are aware that this is recommended at Llandegla and also along Dovedale, by the landowner/manager to give but 2 examples?

Are there any non-bum-rapey burglery related reasons for keeping a massive, daft, shitting-machine in your house?

I wouldn't dismiss cats as protection so quickly either. You should get a withering stare off our new little sod. It could freeze your blood 😯

Many of the housing estates I work on have large european and asian communities and these are ALWAYS the ones I see letting the dogs foul and not picking it up.

Probably just a combination of xenophobia and confirmation bias.

These posts are at best an absolute waste of time or alternatively just trolling.

There seems to be a daily stream of "Why are car drivers / dogs / bin men / little green men / bus drivers so inconsiderate blah blah blah" on STW.

These are the same people who then moan when people stereotype cyclists as the anti-christ, running redlights and riding down the pavement knocking over small children and grannies as they go.

Can't we all just accept that in any 'group' of people there are going to be responsible and irresponsible people. Get over it.

Can't we all just accept that in any 'group' of people there are going to be responsible and irresponsible people. Get over it.

I think that, largely, most people here do accept that. Doesn't mean it's not interesting to discuss, or cathartic to moan about, occasionally.

I quite like dogs. Wouldn't have one myself as I don't want the responsibility.

Samurai's otherwise great post misses one point, which is the conclusion of his little scenario. To wit, the hypothetical burglar with the large knife and the equally large erection is going to dice the loyal family pet into bite-sized chunks before violating the family anyway. So, without a dog, you're left with no possessions and a sore bum; with a dog, you've no possessions and a sore bum and have also to deal with the tragic, brutal death of a loved pet. You'll probably need a new carpet too. Better off without, then.

You are aware that this is recommended at Llandegla and also along Dovedale, by the landowner/manager to give but 2 examples?

if you google (other search engines are available) habitat degradation and dog fouling you will come across a plethora of earnest reports by professionals describing the damage done to fragile habitats and the fact they can't do anything about it due to the dog owners inability to bag it and bin it

This thread reaffirms my belief that a well kept dog is way better than some so called humans.

What about a badly kept dog, compared to... erm... Cheeky scouse occasional radio 2 DJ Lisa Tarbuck?

now I know why we so many chavs with Staffies, they are protecting there speed bumps 😉

Binners, no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners who dont or dont know how to train them, which strengthens my belief in my comment 🙂

And i'd "do" tarbuck... IF she could keep her gob shut for 2.3 mins 😉 Lol

if you google (other search engines are available) habitat degradation and dog fouling you will come across a plethora of earnest reports by professionals describing the damage done to fragile habitats

I did try googling it. Wasn't quite as easy as you made out. Loads of pdfs with th odd mention as an aside. It does seem that its an issue in nutrient poor habitats of enviromental concern

As llangella is a plantation that will be ripped out in time, then I'm sure the impact is zero. The same is of course true for anywhere with domesticated animals. The idea that upland Britain is getting more nutrients from dogs than sheep is laughable

However I take that flicking away isn't appropiate on Heathland

if you google (other search engines are available) habitat degradation and dog fouling you will come across a plethora of earnest reports by professionals describing the damage done to fragile habitats and the fact they can't do anything about it due to the dog owners inability to bag it and bin it

Ah, the ironing. A post about damage to fragile habitats posted on a forum inhabited by people who ride bikes in the countryside and probably follow and partake in other outdoor activities. All of which cause some damage.

What's not to like
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It's so pretty. Took me years to get it so good .. 8) and it'll be there forever.

Sadly, it is the minority spoiling it for the majority again (as with most things in life).

In this case, I do think it is a sizeable minority, though. I see a lot of dog owners demonstrably doing the right thing when people are around, but see the same people not bothering to clear up the crap if they think they've 'got away with it'.

A lot of dog owners want a dog for kudos, or companionship or something but don't want to deal with the downside.

Took me rears to get it so good

Typo du jour! 🙂

Four canine rears to be precise 😀

They're not all good news you know. Fall asleep and they'll eat yer face:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20493572 ]Face chomping lab[/url]

That's no suprise, our lab'll eat owt, even her own shit, it's a bugger to bag up for the tree before she gets into it!

I did try googling it. Wasn't quite as easy as you made out. Loads of pdfs with th odd mention as an aside.

It does seem that its an issue in nutrient poor habitats of enviromental concern

As llangella is a plantation that will be ripped out in time, then I'm sure the impact is zero.

The same is of course true for anywhere with domesticated animals. The idea that upland Britain is getting more nutrients from dogs than sheep is laughable

However I take that flicking away isn't appropiate on Heathland

thanks, please extend the same courtesy to everywhere else

I too have nearly been taken out by the old extending dog lead trick. However, if the worst was to happen, the dog walker the innocent dog (unfortunately) would not escape unscathed. I'm not sure if this would make me feel better but at least they would share my pain!

why aren't cyclists riding at a safe speed where they can stop if there's a dog or human in the way? you know... considerately 😉

I too have nearly been taken out by the old extending dog lead trick. However, if the worst was to happen, the dog walker the innocent dog (unfortunately) would not escape unscathed. I'm not sure if this would make me feel better but at least they would share my pain!

Just how fast are you lot going when you are flying past people and their dogs? If I approach a dog walker I excercise the correct amount of caution... 😯

I like the Delamere forest 'stick and flick' ethos, must remember to 'flick' more often as some of you guys are passing.....

I obviously work for a wind form company!!!!

Well that saves me the bother of trying to pursue a rational debate!!!!

Well off for a bike ride, with the dog. We should have a vote button as to which of us will cause more damage to Woburn.

sheep have a completely different diet to dogs

Very true and the nutrients are more accessible from herbivorous animal pooh than omnivorous/carnivorous animals. Why else would we use farm manure on our gardens/fields?

Very true and the nutrients are more accessible from herbivorous animal pooh than omnivorous/carnivorous animals.

Really? I thought manure had to be rotted down a bit first?

Why else would we use farm manure on our gardens/fields?

I guess not many farms rear carnivourous animals (except some of those pig stories you hear about occassionally!). Also, carnivour manure harbours a lot nastier bugs and beasties than herbivore, hence it being a bit less dangerous riding in horse droppings than dog poo. There's probably official guidance on what can and can't be used as fertiliser somewhere, I'm sure if you Google it you'll find out some more info.

Well that saves me the bother of trying to pursue a rational debate!!!!

would rational debate would stop you leaving the poo next to the trail? 🙄

I cannot imagine, in a million years, why someone would not love dogs.

How about if a dog runs up and sinks its teeth into your leg when you are minding your own business? Owner: "Oh, he's never done that before".

Or the dog that ran up and bit my Dad's leg while we were out for a walk. Owner just shrugged, looked uninterested and didn't bother to apologise.

Not a big fan of dogs or irresponsible owners myself.

Well that saves me the bother of trying to pursue a rational debate!!!!

would rational debate would stop you leaving the poo next to the trail?

Who said I left poo by the trail?

Rational evidence based debate has often changed my behaviour

Who said I left poo by the trail?

you bag it and bin it everytime? even when on the bike?

Rational evidence based debate has often changed my behaviour

yet to see any evidence from you that leaving poo on moorland has no impact, just general statements about herbivores and their poo

As per usual some good talking points, and not ONE DOG has bothered to offer an opinion. 😯

big n daft

Link me to this article on the impact of dog poo

you are right that I don't pick up after the dog at Woburn, but it wouldn't poop anywhere near the trail, its the only place I ride with the dog

Here is snap of mine showing the effect of sheep on upland Britain

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you are right that I don't pick up after the dog at Woburn, but it wouldn't poop anywhere near the trail, its the only place I ride with the dog

I'm sure the other users thanks you for not bagging it and binning it

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=dog+fouling+habitat+moorland&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CGIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.footprint-ecology.co.uk%2Fpublications_and_downloads%2Fdownloads_and_examples_of_our_work%2F%3Fdownload%3B20&ei=Gf3dUIaTNaPY0QXjyIGQBg&usg=AFQjCNGXWhfGD0lur4NGHOgVkW6RQLnVng&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.d2k

happy reading

wow,everydays a school day. i ride woburn daily and have often wondered why people hang poo bags from trees i genuinely didnt realise it was for the rangers to collect, no wonder they are too busy to check i have a license

Thanks that was intresting. My wife does most of the dog care and is very good on bagging, as am I.

I'd not come across the nutrient argument before and will take even more care in nutrient poor enviroments in the future