[Closed] Dog Attacked - legalities regarding vet bills? Are there any?

might be covered on her home insurance? third party liability maybe, only guessing. yes she should pay

I think it's goodwill only, so tread carefully. Public place, neither dog on a lead, scrap ensues, your dog comes off worse. You would have trouble proving that your dog was completely passive during the episode if she decides to describe the incident on those terms.

Hopefully the other owner is a decent sort who will make a contribution at the very least.

Is she fit?

Vet fees for your dog being attacked should be covered by your insurance. One of the many reasons to have insurance. I would phone your local dog warden to report it and make sure the dog hasn't done something like this before.

There is no law for dog on dog attack. Just goodwill only.

Your witness is a retriever? 😀

Seriously, no idea what the law is, seems reasonable that the owner has a duty of care - there must be one to people.

I'd be upfront that you expect her to cough up and see what happens.

Public place, neither dog on a lead, scrap ensues, your dog comes off worse. You would have trouble proving that your dog was completely passive during the episode if she decides to describe the incident on those terms.

Exactly my thoughts. I [i]know[/i] what happened because I saw it. However, when it comes down to it, she could easily say that Molly turned and tried to bite her dog first. There's very little that I could say to disprove it.

Oh no, poor Molly. 🙁 Not wishing to be harsh but don't think it was a good idea to mention that you have a vet as a friend.

I have heard of this happening before, a friend's dog was attacked and she did give the bill to other owner and saying she did not want to report it. Think this other dog was known for attacking.

If it was me, I would make it clear that you're not happy and what is she going to about the bill as well as the behaviour of her dog.

Vet fees for your dog being attacked should be covered by your insurance.

We have insurance. Yes, it's covered but I'll be trying to recover it from her first before claiming.

Your witness is a retriever?

Indeed. I thought I hadn't worded that very well. 🙂

Is she fit?

You need to check for a shiny coat and wet nose if you want to find that out.

Not wishing to be harsh but don't think it was a good idea to mention that you have a vet as a friend.

Aye, true. I suppose I was trying to let her know that I wasn't going to try and fleece her. The first surgery we took her to are known as being very expensive in the area, which is why we use our friend's. His isn't as fancy-dan and paying for the flash new hospital recently added.

Happened to my business partner's dog recently - he had to cover all the costs himself (dog so badly attacked that she almost didn't see it through the night and it was two weeks before they got her through the worst).

The other owner refused to accept any part of blame (although it was a much bigger dog and it was his dog doing the attacking). The police didn't want to know - said they get several calls like that every day.

#pray4molly

#pray4jamie

With respect, I doubt it'd be as cut and dried as "your dog bit my dog, here's the bill." Both animals were off leash and, well, animals. What legal redress you'd have I don't know, but I'd expect it's not much.

OTOH of course, next time it could be a baby robin's face. The ones you see in headlines after mauling the family's newborn always have the owners going "well, he's never done it before..." If nothing else, I'd hope that in future the owner thinks twice about letting a bitey dog roam free in public places.

Very sorry to hear this, really hope that Molly is OK and does not get frightened off other, nice, dogs as a result.

This is not a dissimilar situation from the one in which my wife and I are in with our spaniel, albeit that no harm has yet come to our dog. On one of her runs there is a cross cross (the first a state of mind, the second meaning cross-breed) who runs aggressively at our dog and has received a boot for its pains.

Speaking to the police, and subsequently to the control officer, they will do little for dog on dog aggression. The only point at which they start to act is if you claim that you are fearful for your own safety, and would then back that up. They would then be duty-bound to follow up and contact the dog owner.

Up to you if you feel that this is a legitimate way to respond....

Dog off lead is not a good starting point, think you're on very shaky ground trying to get anything off the other dog owner, however nice it would be or 'morally right' it seems.

Hope she recovers well.

[quote=deadlydarcy said]
"Hi ****, this is Ciaran, the owner of Molly who was bitten by your dog this morning. We took her to Highcroft to be checked over but we decided to take her to our vet which is Fernlea in Hanham as our best friend is her vet there, it was safe for her to travel and they are much cheaper than Highcroft. She has quite a bad wound to her shoulder which will need to be treated and stitched under GA. She was in shock and has been given painkillers. Our friend Matt will be operating on her. She should be home this evening but may well have to stay overnight depending on how bad the wound is when she is clipped back and they can have a better look. She was quite shaken up but seemed ok overall. We'll keep you updated as soon as we know more."

That's a big SMS, they should bring back the 160 char limit or whatever it was.

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That's a big SMS, they should bring back the 160 char limit or whatever it was.

I blame tariffs with heaps of free texts, this could easily hv bn dn in 160.

I blame tariffs with heaps of free texts, this could easily hv bn dn in 160.

Prob snt wiv imssage or wotzap.

Hi ****, DIS iz Ciaran, d onr of Molly hu wz bitten by yor K9 DIS morn. We t%k her 2 Highcroft 2 b checked Ovr bt we decided 2 tAk her 2 our vet whch iz Fernlea n Hanham az our best frNd iz her vet there, it wz sAf 4 her 2 travL & dey R much cheaper thN Highcroft. She hz quite a bad wound 2 her sholdR whch wiL nEd 2 b treated & stitched undR GA. She wz n shock & hz Bin given painkillers. Our frNd Matt wiL b opr8n on her. She shud b om DIS evNg bt mA weL hav 2 stA overnight depeNdN on how bad d wound iz wen she iz clipped bak & dey cn hav a BetA L%k. She wz quite shaken ^ bt seemed k overall. We'll kEp U updated az s%n az we knO mo.

Still waaaay too long.

"HI DIS CIAREN UR DOG BIET MY DOG U PAY NOW KKTHXBI"

Easy money, you're just not trying.

Sorry to hear about this dd hope Molly heals quickly!
Nowt much to add other I'd let the insurance sort it out, including handing over all the details to them and let them consider trying to recoup the cash from her themselves.

If both dogs are off lead the police wont care. If she is insured you may get some money. I would loose your insurance company on her and see what happens. Mine were very keen for a name and address when my dog got bitten but seeing as how it was just a play accident I didnt tell them owt.

Oh no, poor Molly! D:

I think as they were both off a lead, and she did make an effort to recall her dog, you'll only be relying on her goodwill. I think people with dog-aggressive dogs can only be forced to act if there are repeated attacks, or if they make no effort/can't stop their dog (as it'd be classed as being dangerously out of control).

Every time Benny's been attacked (always with the other dog running free with Benny on the lead as we were going down the road) I've reported it to the dog warden. The one guy was utterly mortified and apologetic and not had any trouble with his dog since, the other obviously didn't pay much attention as the same dog attacked Benny six months later...).

should have thought the other owner liable, but i'd just let the insurer handle it. dogs are property. one person's property damaged yours

Why have insurance then pay the bill yourself then have the hassle of getting cash from a 3rd party?

If you want to avoid premium increases next year bear in mind that the injury may have to be reported anyway at renewal so might still affect future premiums.

Sorry to hear this DD and hope it all works out ok. Re ref to the vet being a friend and any confusion that may cause, you have another opinion from the vet you originally saw who will I am sure be impartial..

As I said, hope Molly gets well quickly..

DD if you are ever in a situation were you are stuck for seeing a vet give me a shout as the OH is one.

In the last few months there have been quite a few dog on dog attacks on the wirral,along with some muppet leaving poisoined food for peoples pets on the wirral way.

Animals really do have a tough life, hope Molly makes a good recovery.

along with some muppet leaving poisoined food for peoples pets on the wirral way.

dafuq 😯

not only is the txt way too long and goes to incredible unrequired depth - really wgaf if you know the vet, you are just making it sound dodgy.....

but...

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Hi ****,

bit harsh mate, not surprised she is on the defensive.

😆

You take molgrips round on a lead with you and he got bitten? 😯

Get well soon molly.

If her pet is insured then it will (probably) cover 3rd party stuff. Check your policy for this clause and then ask them. What the bill btw? - not wanting to start a vet fees deabte but it's likely to be mostly excess?

not only is the txt way too long and goes to incredible unrequired depth - really wgaf if you know the vet, you are just making it sound dodgy.....

I thought it only fair to give her a full appraisal of the situation. She seemed pretty upset after the whole incident herself. I know of her through friends that take her classes and she is supposedly a nice person. If it's a bit too much detail, then fair enough, but I'd rather that than not enough.

What the bill btw?

Just short of £390. That's after the 15% discount that we always get from our friend. Can't recall our excess off hand, but yes, you're most likely correct, a good chunk of that will be excess.

I get this quite regularly. Our standard policy is that as the owner you are responsible for the bill. I dont get involved in deciding who was at fault. Many times the owner of the aggressor dog denies any responsibility and as stated before the Police are not interested in dog on dog aggression.

Best scenario is to look for your Excess from your insurance to be covered by the other owner.

However depending on your insurance cover you may have legal cover (if not look at your home insurance) and they may be willing to try and pursue the other dog owner for costs.

Every now and again you meet a genuine person who will just pay your bill no questions asked.

Our standard policy is that as the owner you are responsible for the bill.

Nothing wrong with that. Which is why I paid up when I picked her up this evening. I'll be emailing the other owner a copy of the bill and hope she does the decent thing I suppose.

If it had been a injury from playing, or something that escalated from messing around, I'd honestly just take it as one of those things that happens as a pet owner. If she did something similar to anybody else's dog, I'd pay up, no questions asked.

Good to hear you are one of those responsible owners.

I would call them to advise them how much the bill was and ask them how they want to respond rather than send them the bill directly.

Good luck.

Seen many cases with severe injuries where the other dog owner denies all responsibility and refuses to pay the bill. Not so bad when the owner is sensible and has insurance like yourself. Not so clever when they have nasty injuries and limited funds.

Oh well, she's home now. Still very groggy from the GA and feeling thoroughly sorry for herself. 🙁

But still in (more or less) one piece.

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Sorry to hear about your dog.

I think the first thing is to see if the other owner simply pays without question. If she does no problem.

If she doesn't, I may be able to offer some thoughts from my own similar experience. My dog was bitten by another dog which lunged at her as we passed on a path. She also required stitches and antibiotics. The bill wasn't as big as yours but I saw no reason that I should pay for something which was someone else's fault.

Having visited her house and being told she would not pay, I wrote to the other owner and asked them to pay my bills. After perhaps 28 days (there is a 'how to' guide on one of the Small Claims websites) I wrote again and said if they didn't pay I would take them to court to recover the cost. They didn't so I chose to take the other owner to small claims court. At court the judge listened to the facts as we both explained them, then referred to the law before finding in my favour. The other owner had to pay both my vets bills and the costs of going to small claims court.

As far as I remember there is a requirement for dog owners to keep their dog under reasonable control. I am afraid I don't remember precise details of the law.

I would write down the facts as you remember them and keep any paperwork such as the exchange of emails/texts.

Hope the dog recovers well.

Ooh that looks nasty! Healing vibes to Molly.

Time to upgrade the wardrobe, Darcy....

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Our Westie, who was on his lead, was run into by an off the lead labrador. He hit our dog so hard he literally flipped him upside down, breaking his leg. The woman who owned the Labrador didn't even apologise and instead decided to snub me explaining that her dog had been hurt previously in a similar incident (her logic was that because it had once happened to her dog, it was only fair it should randomly happen to someone else, somehow restoring balance to the universe).

I threatened to call the police unless she left me some contact details. Once our dog was fixed up I insisted she pay the bills and advised that she hadn't kept her dog under control and was therefore liable ( i was just making it up as i went along but i thought it sounded reasonable). She backed down after numerous calls and paid up.

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Hi ****,
bit harsh mate, not surprised she is on the defensive.