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Yesterday is Saskatoon, a housewife cut her finger whilst chopping vegetables. At EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENT in Surbiton, someone opened a bag of peanuts and spilt them all over the ground. What are the chances of that????? Eh? Eh?
BigBikeBash, could you watch your spelling please. That is a STW warning
I wont tell you who I was earlier this century
Proof if proof were needed that Hora is in fact 8 years old.
So tell us then, what famous person were you from early this century?
Yesterday is not Saskatoon.
Maybe Yesterday WAS Saskatoon but from memory it was Monday
Tuttle, Buttle.....
missingfrontallobe - what about all the people that DO die on their own with no-one to help them?
Are you suggesting that you are somehow more special than them?
I would suggest that perhaps you are just more fortunate than them. After all, they don't survive to make up bullsh*t theories and post about them on forums 🙂
I wont tell you who I was earlier this century
Proof if proof were needed that Hora is in fact 8 years old.So tell us then, what famous person were you from early this century?
FAIL 😆 I meant last century oops.
Yesterday is Saskatoon, a housewife cut her finger whilst chopping vegetables. At EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENT in Surbiton, someone opened a bag of peanuts and spilt them all over the ground. What are the chances of that????? Eh? Eh?
Strangely this reminds me of Amelie the film
People who claim to be reincarnated almost always claim to have been someone really famous.
Well your hardly going to be Missus Miggins from the local pieshop 😉
no, she's still alive, I saw her in the post office this morning
what a coincidence...
Absolutely everything is happening all at the same time. Without significance. 😉
I actually saw Craig Charles in Manchester city centre on Friday afternoon.
I didn't know if it was him playing him or Lister, or Lister pretending to be on earth....
I had to turn the programme off, not because it upset me but becasue of the way some people were describing the carnage and loss of life.
One guy who was cradling a woman, clearly overcome by shock and was unwilling to leave her as he believed that she was still alive was described by another woman on the scene that he should leave her alone and help her because "she was obviousley very, very dead"
Now i understand that people deal with things differently but It all came across a bit unfeeling and would hate for any of my family to be described like that
What program?
Our lives are full of these weird and wonderful chances. Some good some not so good. Each of us are full of things like, what if a particular ancestor didn't/did walk down that road, did/didn't catch that cold, go to the shop/not go to the shop etcetera? Times that by your life, your parents lives, and theirs and theirs and it's all a lottery of chances, it just depends more on how we view it.
[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hows-this-for-spooky ]My little story yesterday[/url] could have been interpreted as fate I guess by some. However I'm not that way inclined so it's just a coincidence to me 🙂
Orena - what part of that story is fate? I mean, it doesn't realyl have any bearing on your life, does it? I mean it's not like you met your life partner or something..
If there's some God up there manipulating things with amazing precision just so that we can go 'ooh look at that, I recognise that number' he's got a pretty weird sense of humour.
molgrips - I thought I would try being a God for a while so built an ants nest, well got some ants to do it. It was quite entertaining for a few weeks feeding and watering them and doing the occaisional ANGRY GOD destructive events.
I then got bored. I suspect that if there is a God he would have got bored by now too. This theory is possibly backed up by the fact most significant God stuff happened a long time ago.
the fact most significant God stuff happened a long time ago
Really? Presumably you have evidence of this. 🙄
God does exist. Not as man wants God to exist though.
Molgrips - God works in mysterious ways lol!
Ok admitedly not fate (but I did stay an extra couple of minutes at my mum's discussing this, so what if I avoided someone crashing into me on the way home?).
I just meant that it's also the kind of thing certain types of people might put down to there being a 'higher being'...like those who see Jesus in toast (actually, why doesn't anyone ever see Muhammad or Vishnu in food??!)
why doesn't anyone ever see Muhammad in food
Because you'd die.
I didn't see the programme, but surely believe in 'fate', is just belief in a deterministic universe, and no more or less rational than belief in a non-deterministic universe.
God does exist.
Thanks, i appreciate the recognition. 😉
Ok admitedly not fate (but I did stay an extra couple of minutes at my mum's discussing this, so what if I avoided someone crashing into me on the way home?).
Coincidence and luck aren't the same as fate- there's no sense of an inevitable event in these anecdotes.
Fate is not the same thing as determinism. Fate is meaningless in a deterministic environment. As is free will.... (discuss).
I obviously don't know what I'm taking about...think I'll go back to taking about bikes 😆
I thought about this on my way home last night. Many people see death as a bad thing, an end, whereas for a believer in reincarnation surely death should be viewed as a beginning.
So, looking at the deaths from eg the tsunami in Asia and asking where is the (good) god(s) in that, is possibly the wrong question. Perhaps a better question to ask as a challenge to the notion that there is a 'good' god/gods is why are the vulnerable allowed to suffer? and perhaps the answer to that is that they were bad in a previous life.
BTW, not preaching, just an interesting subject for discussion.
Incidentally, the early christians believed in reincarnation. The Roman emperor, I think, Constantine, and his mum decided that they couldn't use hell and damnation to subdue the population effectively when the aforesaid population believed in many lives (to get it right) - so he changed the bible.
I think (to put it very simplistically) that if you are honourable, brave, courteous, honest etc that you do affect your surroundings and other people and I believe that what goes around comes around.
I frigging hope so.
Fate is not the same thing as determinism. Fate is meaningless in a deterministic environment. As is free will.... (discuss).
It's the same as unusual or individual determinism though. Which it's why it's remarkable in a non-deterministic environment.
EDIT: It's remarkable because it (supposedly) happens [i]in spite[/i] of a non-deterministic environment.
petesgaff - When you do eventually die as we all with and if you are reincarnated you should come back as a dog with seven dicks* for the way you have behaved and the example you have set.
*to avoid any confusion, this is a good thing.
bear in mind the likelihood of something happening that has already happened is 100%
believing in reincarnation doesn't make it more likely to be true
Depends on what you consider fate to be. If it's some mysterious mechanical force innate to the universe, then perhaps. If it's the will of a god, then it's just the free will of some being.
Um, mysterious mechanical force innate to the universe/will of a god = kind of the same thing to me.
No, because one would be deterministic and one not.
I don't understand 'deterministic' - what is it please?
Gods/mechanical, to me means that everything is 'alive' (for a given value of alive) and that gods are people's personification of that... kind of. I've never really articulated what/how I believe before, it's quite good fun.
Actually, things are 'alive' - they have electrical charges don't they (like us and other animals)? And scientists say now that the observer can alter the outcome of an experiment by the way s/he thinks about the result (ie positive or negative).
And scientists say now
Now? Albert might have issues with that...
Ok, "scientists have said for a long time" - is that better?
Determinism means that something is predictable. Meaning, you can look at all the variables and predict what will happen in the future if you have enough data and know all the rules. It also means that if you rewind everything and set it up again, it'll do the same thing again.
So the movement of planets in the solar system is deterministic in that we can predict in advance what'll be happening.
The movement of balls on a pool table after the break should be deterministic because it follows simple rules, but tiny variations in initial positions get amplified so much so quickly that you don't know where the balls will go - you don't have accurate enough data to begin with. And if you re-set the balls, you can never get them exactly the same again and you'll get a different result. That's the definition of a chaotic system.. a bit like the weather systems in the atmosphere too.
Relating to people, we are sometimes deterministic, and sometimes not. For example, I bought my house shortly before the crash, which was perhaps a bad idea. But if you took me back to 2007, I'd have the same information to work with, the same values and experience, so I'd probly make the same decision again. However, some other decisions might be part of some random event in my brain that would be different if we repeated the whole thing.
If there is a god with free will, he might make a snap decision on something and alter the course of events... If however there's some kind of machine following simple laws, then given the same initial conditions the outcome woudl be the same.
I have to take issue with the 'things being alive' assertion though 🙂
Things have molecules and atoms (pardon my very sketchy knowledge here - I was so bad at chemistry they used to let me draw in classes) - and molecules and atoms have electrical charges. So do we. Or do we have a 'soul' too? Something else that is not tangible?
Ummmm.. electricity isn't life. Things can have charge, but they aren't alive. If you rub a balloon on your head you give it charge so it'll stick to the wall - but it doesn't come to life!
Life is hard to define, but the criteria include such things as self-sustaining behaviour, growth, the ability to reproduce and a few others.