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Brothers ,we must fight male dress code oppression.
It's just completely ****ing stupid.
To the op and others when interviews, best of luck!
a short-sleeved shirt
Unless you're interviewing to be a bus driver or to fix photocopiers for the love of God, no.
Brothers ,we must fight male dress code oppression.
To be fair, this is only for an interview. I'm sat working today in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt.
I wore a suit on a really bloody hot day a few years back. To a job interview at Wiggle. The interviewer was wearing shorts and a Star Wars t-shirt.
Brothers ,we must fight male dress code oppression.
I'm not really a fan of suits, but TBH, I've been in offices where there's no dress policy either and frankly it's worse. Men, and the subset of men that have shall we say; a better working relationship with machines than people, are really really bad at decoding what's suitable for working alongside other people.
At the very least, suits take away the tyranny of decision making, and mean that I won't have to have a conversation with people about why sandals/stained beach-shorts/tee-shirts with the words "**** Da Police" on them, are not (repeat, underlined, not) suitable choices of business attire
a short-sleeved shirt
Unless you’re interviewing to be a bus driver or to fix photocopiers for the love of God, no.
Odd. If I did you wouldn't see me and nobody I know or have ever known actually gives a shit what other people wear at work, so yeah... odd
I love a stw "what should I wear" thread. A threads thread if you will... (Shoot me.)
Research Institute?
Assuming you're comfortable wearing suits, then ightweight summer suit, white shirt, no tie. Definitely no tie. Only Mog, Johnson and Trump wear ties these days. The coffin lid needs nailing down. (Shame in a way as I've some nice ones.)
As someone who still wears suits now and again for the most formal work things, I think things have swung to the point that it looks a bit odd to see someone wearing a tie with one.
Weird how even I’m these globally warmed days it’s hard to find light smart clothes, and don’t even mention linen.
That's because we live closer to the North Pole than to the tropics, and it's only properly warm for about 3 weeks a year. I drove home from work 2 weeks ago with the thermometer telling me that it was 14 degrees as I shivered in T-shirt and shorts. I have given myself hypothermia trying to celebrate my birthday sitting outside a cafe in August! Give it a week or two and normal service will resume and we'll be able to wear our hats and scarves again and forget this ridiculous talk of lightweight suits. 😀
No, for the love of God, no.
Yet shorts at an interview is OK? Weird. What would you suggest instead, tie and dress shirt, Bermuda shorts and flip-flops? It'd probably look fine once you'd sat down. Dress code: Microsoft Teams.
My point, which you've (both) just reinforced, was "bollocks to convention." A short-sleeved shirt is viewed as a poor choice for an interview but why? It's a sensible choice in this heat even if you're not going to win any fashion awards. I'd prefer to turn up comfortable and relaxed, rather than trussed up, wet through and smelling like a high-school gym locker room.
I was going to say similar and bit my tongue, so I’m glad someone else did.
Interviews aside, it’s just bloody silly in this day and age. “It’s 30′ outside, best put my coat on.” They’re uncomfortable, impractical, and we really shouldn’t be in a place where (say) a politician wearing an open-necked shirt is considered rebellious or edgy. They’re a legacy of the class system and of the patriarchy, both of which can get in the sea. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of our upper tiers of Manglement wear a tie in forever, up to and including the CEO. It’s just unnecessary.
This - But I would wear a suit and sweat my balls off just in case.
My point, which you’ve (both) just reinforced, was “bollocks to convention.”
Depends if you want the job or not. No harm in fighting against convention, you've just got to decide if you mind that the fight might cost you a job.
Should it cost you a job? Of course not. But it might, so depends if that's a risk/fight you want to take.
There's no way I'd ever wear a short sleeve shirt in the sector I work as I know certain people would look down on it. The same applies if wearing a tie and no jacket, just not the done thing. Suit and no tie would be fine though.
A short-sleeved shirt is viewed as a poor choice for an interview but why?
Because short sleeved is casual, not formal, and casual shirts ought not to be tucked in. Suits are by their nature formal wear. You see where this madness ends?
Dogs and Cats living together...
My current boss congratulated me on being the only one they interviewed to wear a tie on what was the hottest day of the year.
For my current Job I had a phone interview, yes phone, not teams, not skype, not zoom. I double checked and yes it was a phone interview.
I still wore a suit!
Because that's what you wear for an interview, I did rebel a bit and have short sleeves underneath the jacket
Eh! You wore a suit for a telephone interview? That’s just, nope, can’t even think of a descriptive term for that. I hate long sleeved clothing in general, too restrictive and just end up rolling the sleeves up. Suits can **** off.
That's next level. I mean, I wore a shirt and tie for a Teams interview when I was in the US and the interviewers were in the UK.
Ok, it was shorts, shirt and tie, but they did not need to know that and it was 5am my time and I was jetlagged beyond belief, so only to be expected really.
Most companies or recruiters will tell you if its a no suit situation, baring this I would go suited as you will not piss anyone off this way. if there is a second you might have a feel for the place then
I still wore a suit!
Amazing!
Shirley a linen mankini would be the nest compromise - just don't forget the bowtie
Never ever wear a suit without a tie unless you are wearing a t shirt and auditioning for Miami vice. It looks sloppy.
For an interview always a suit and tie.
Jacket no tie. If they don’t offer the job because you didn’t wear a tie that’s a bullet dodged.
Depends if you want the job or not.
If they're going to judge me for not wearing a business suit in the middle of a heatwave then no, I don't want it. Dodged a bullet there.
Might be different as a manager in London, but the only time you'll catch a hacker in a suit is during a physical penetration scenario.
Because short sleeved is casual, not formal, and casual shirts ought not to be tucked in. Suits are by their nature formal wear. You see where this madness ends?
By being employed on merit rather than how expensive your clothing is?
I cannot believe you bunch of slobs! Jacket no tie? Slovenly
Put it this way. If Clarkson wears it the do not copy him
See also sports jacket and jeans. Untucked shirts. Brown shoes unless brogues and the job is on a farm
Its not difficult
If you don't want to wear a tie a cravat may be acceptable
There’s no way I’d ever wear a short sleeve shirt in the sector I work as I know certain people would look down on it.
I would look down on anyone that looked down on someone wearing a short sleeve shirt. Do I win?
As for short sleeved shirts. Only if you have a breast pocket full of pens to identify you as a neurodivergent nerd.
Ffs guys.
Grandad TJ strikes again!
Ties are exceptionally rare in my line of work (usually older senior managers or wannabes), unless you’re visiting clients in which case a suit and tie is expected (banking / finance).
I work in IT, it was suits no tie for a while before covid but now it’s just whatever you fancy, bosses are just happy you’ve come to the office!
Check out cost of bespoke shorts, short sleeved shirt, hand made crocodile skin belt.
You could get 10, or more, of Moss Bros or M&S 'finest' sartorial efforts for the same outlay- but why would you for clothes that only fit where they touch, don't hold their shape and are made from cheap fabrics.
It's for the interviewing company to determine appropriate standards; if an interviewee has a problem they should go elsewhere.
If you don’t want to wear a tie a cravat may be acceptable
Just checking, are you posting from the past? It’s 2022 FFS. Idiotic dress standards need to die. Cravats are for old, eccentric men who get cold necks. Hang on…
You could get 10, or more, of Moss Bros or M&S ‘finest’ sartorial efforts for the same outlay- but why would you for clothes that only fit where they touch, don’t hold their shape and are made from cheap fabrics.
Sounds great for the one instance every few years when I’ll need to wear a formal shirt for interview, death, wedding etc.
You either have style or you dont.
Being a sloppy dressed dork is not style
Wearing a suit is the opposite of style. It’s following a dress code. Also I’ve seen you give thumbs up to chinos and polo shirts on previous threads. You should stop posting now before you get in too deep. Plus kicking dogs is the most uncool thing ever and negates any style points gained from clothing 😉 p
As for short sleeved shirts. Only if you have a breast pocket full of pens to identify you as a neurodivergent nerd.
I don't need pens for that.
Being a sloppy dressed dork is not style
Correct, it's the rejection of conformity.
TJ, you've got a fan - or stalker - in funkmaster!
Congrats!
Well made, properly fitted suits in a range of fabrics are the epitome of style; light colours in lightweight fabrics for warm weather, darker colours inc stripes or checks for cooler weather.
Raggy shorts and band t-shirts are for working in garden.
Raggy shorts and band t-shirts are for working in
gardentechnology.
Tl; Dr - it's entirely dependent on the role, employer and the culture
The Bank of England is not the same as Sami's Shawarma palace.
The interviewer was wearing shorts and a Star Wars t-shirt.
I wear pretty much the same at our place when interviewing and wouldn't care if they wore a suit or not.
Last role I interviewed for was in lockdown so all over Teams. We chose the one chap who never switched his webcam on in any of the videos. When we finally met, I was expecting a facial scar or something, but no, very normal looking. He got the job as he was the best fit / technical knowledge to the role.
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Well made, properly fitted suits in a range of fabrics are the epitome of style; light colours in lightweight fabrics for warm weather, darker colours inc stripes or checks for cooler weather.
Meanwhile, whilst you're togged up like Professor Elemental because "style" the rest of us are in shorts and laughing our tits off at you.
Raggy shorts and band t-shirts are for working in
gardentechnology.
I think Frank is Frank the tailor and that’s why he’s taking like a paragraph from GQ.
No need for GQ.
Cougar, you really are thin skinned aren't you.
Middle aged blokes wandering around in raggy shorts and band t-shirts are providing all the laughs.
No doubt you'll be back soon with another attempted sneer.
Carry on as I can't be arsed with someone who always wants the last word.
Middle aged blokes wandering around in raggy shorts and band t-shirts are providing all the
laughsmicroservices
FTFY (again) 😛
This has been fun to read but the simple answer is ask the recruiter what the dress code is.
I work in Advisory for a tier one bank and if you turned up in a suit you would be remembered as ‘the suit guy’. The world has moved on but love the perceived stereotypes being displayed.
Cougar, you really are thin skinned aren’t you.
Quite the opposite. You're the one sneering, I couldn't care less. I stopped worrying what other people thought about what I was wearing somewhere around the time I had the wrong brand of trainers in high school.
Frank. Remember who cougar is. I suspect a type 2
"Van was a type-two sysadmin, over six feet tall, long pony-tail, bobbing Adam’s apple. Over his toast-rack chest, his tee said CHOOSE YOUR WEAPON and featured a row of polyhedral RPG dice.
Felix was a type-one admin, with an extra seventy or eighty pounds all around the middle, and a neat but full beard that he wore over his extra chins. His tee said HELLO CTHULHU and featured a cute, mouthless, Hello-Kitty-style Cthulhu. "
From when sysadmins ruled the earth by Cory Docterow
Bullshit.
I'm only 5'10".