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This topic does get people frothing a bit doesn't it :->
Anyway as a tangent / PSA, but one that's relevant for the home swappers I've just had a halfords email with a trolley jack for £24
If it's warm and raining, summers should perform as well as winters unless it's a monsoon.
If it's cold and raining, i'd agree that winters should be better.
Thisisnotaspoon… If your winters are down to 4mm you might as well use the remaining legal tread through the summer. At 4mm they would not qualify as winter tyres in some northern European countries…the sipes in the tread are not normally full depth so they’ve probably gone.
Yep I agree they're past the point of providing a substantial benefit. Although not all countries have a 4mm limit, just as many seem to have the same limits as summer tires, or say things like legal limit on winter tyres or 4mm on summer tires in winter.
The downsides were they were noisier so given a choice I swapped (My summer tyres are goodyear efficient grip so they're about as quiet as they come).
TBH I do so few miles I suspect 2 sets of tires will either see me past the life of the car or they will perish!
If it’s warm and raining, summers should perform as well as winters unless it’s a monsoon.
I dunno, the sipes should still have an effect.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that the only scenario that summers outperform winter tires (in straight line braking at least) was on a warm dry road and then only by a fraction. In every other scenario the winters were beating them by much more substantial margins. That and they make more noise and may not suit driving gods cornering on the limits of grip rather than based on what they can see coming or on a track day because they'd probably overheat.
Daffy, I didn't say bin the winters at 4mm, just use them in summer 🙂 (although many here claim they would never dare run their tyres down to 4mm)
The less aggressive all-seasons should not wear faster, the rubber is different but not necessarily softer. The Nokians did wear a little faster but the Cross Climates seem comparable. Also I find winter and all season tyres no noisier than summers (driving a car with noticeable tyre noise intrusion from the rear).
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Also I find winter and all season tyres no noisier than summers (driving a car with noticeable tyre noise intrusion from the rear).
I was just going off the decibel ratings on the tyre sites, I have no personal experience of All Season tyres. I guess it also depends on how well insulated your car is. Tyre noise may be less of a factor for someone in a Mercedes S-Class with double glazing and more soundproofing than my house.
I was just going off the decibel ratings on the tyre sites,
Is that like buying an audi off its emissions figures?
I’ve just had a halfords email with a trolley jack for £24
Ooooh - timely