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Done.
I've added my name to the UK one Dame Prue Leith has on the Dignity website
Ta chaps - every bit helps! We are winning thew arguement - but we need to get our politicians to be brave and to support this. Its not easy for them especially given the concerted campaign from the religious right funded by american evangelicals so letting the politic ans know of your support is important
One of the folk making bogus objections is a paralegal and has the law firm on their facebook page. Would I be wrong to out them to their employer for lying on facebook? i am so angry my judgement is clouded.
One of the folk making bogus objections is a paralegal and has the law firm on their facebook page. Would I be wrong to out them to their employer for lying on facebook? i am so angry my judgement is clouded.
That seems a perfectly legitimate thong to bring to their employers attention
Don’t see why not- I’ve had a few jobs where they had a social media policy so that they don’t get tarred by a numpty posting shite.
They've made their employer public knowledge so you could ask the law firm if they share the beliefs?
Sad story in the news of a desperate man in Cyprus who euthanized his suffering wife. I speak to so many people now who face that dilemma.
Ta
I was “lucky” my Dad got done by a heart attack with no prior ill health big shock & a lot for Mum to deal with, whereas my wife & her family had her Dad deteriorating with dementia for 9 months until he died last month.
Seeing what he & the family went through (even in the year or so before the last 9 months) makes me believe there has to be a better way.
Fully support you in this still TJ, but as I'm in Wales I don't know how I can support your efforts u there as there's no discussion going on about it here.
There is also a UK wide proposal as well in a much earlier stage. https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/latest/
so you can lobby your MP over it and also lobby the welsh government
Have signed both the Scottish and UK petitions.
Will also write to my MP, the dis-honourable robert jenrick.
Definitely out the paralegal to their employer as they appear to be attempting to establish 'legitimacy' for their personal views by quoting their employer's name.
Keep up the good work TJ.
Signed, Pru Leith's letter. My mother turned her face to the wall to ensure she died as quickly as possible. That took a week and was particularly horrific for my dad (I dissociated from it all and have paid the mental health price since, worth the admittance fee but still crap).
Scottish survey as posted above
The first question is a bit weird.
Should someone with a terminal illness be forced to suffer against their wishes?
Why use the word "force" in the question? Can a person be forced to have terminal illness?
Assuming the person has Not been inflicted by someone with the terminal illness like slow poisoning etc (my part of the world they do that), the illness is either inherited in their own DNA or through their own individual consumption like eating loads and tonnes of unhealthy or contaminated or parasites infected food.
Although I am not an advocate of "suicide" (my belief of karma etc), I have No objection to anyone who wishes to end their own life as they see fit. Their body, do as they like.
If I had terminal illness (I don't want treatment btw) and someone says die you silly person, I would happily accept that but if they wish to prolong my suffering that too I am fine as I just want to feel the severity of the suffering (repay my karma etc). End result is the same - death. No, my organs are Not for donation and living beings don't deserve to have mine. Just cremate me and use me as fertiliser I don't care.
I also find the notion that someone would misuse it to "murder" someone with terminal illness is rather weird. I mean, if that's the case then either you have too many enemies, unloved or just unfortunate to meet someone who want you dead, either way why continue living or avoid the inevitable?
I get what you are saying chewkw but this is a sensitive subject that requires fairly careful terminology to avoid offending folk. Engage carefully!
I was on the telly! OK only STV borders but even so I got a chance to make Julies story heard.
Very interesting event at Holyrood as well - one fascinating thing from Canada is that the richest folk have the best access to palliative care - but are also most likely to take advantage of assisted dying - so unlike the lies from the anti side that proves that its not poor access to services or poverty that drives assisted dying requests!
7.50 in this one
https://www.itv.com/news/border/2023-09-19/catch-up-on-representing-border-19th-sept-2023
13.40 in this one
https://www.itv.com/news/border/2023-09-19/catch-up-on-representing-border-19th-sept-2023
Interesting programmes overall
A piece in the guardian that could do with a rebuttal or two if anyone fancies doing so. and yes I am on my soapbox again
@tjagain - not sure if you'll have seen this?
BBC News - Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68674769
It's a bill that's been bouncing around for a while, and by the sounds of it, is not really up to much now after the input from members who've discussed it with the churches, pressure groups, etc. The recent assisted suicide of Caroline March shows that this type of bill still leaves many without hope.
Very personal to me, being a motor neurone disease sufferer.
I am fully in favour of dignity in dying.
Argee
That really is not so. The bill has not been weakened at all. Indeed strengthened in one areas. Religous groups have not been given the opportunity to water it down and its not been kicking about for ages.
Liam McCarthys bill is a completely new attempt and has little to do with earlier bills
Its now heading to committee for detailed scrutiny.
We have 85% of the population in favour and a majority of MSPs. All parties have agreeda free vote not whipped
I think it will go thru this time
We'll see, free vote sounded more about allowing MSPs to vote within their personal religious / other beliefs, so that majority of MSPs i don't think will be as big as you think.
Yes. Thats what a free / conscience vote is. I didnt say a big majority did I?
Ive talked to a good few MSPs over this. A fair few are waiting to see the details as it comes out of committee befre the decide for sure but all the signs look hopeful.
Sturgeon going and Sarwar taking over was a blow. Sturgeon had gone from a firm no to " mebees aye" following debate and listening to the personal testionies. Sarwar is a no as he is scared of his mosque backlashing
I meant Yousaf of course not Sarwar. Sarwar has not made his position public as far as I know
However its all a bit moot as it will be vetoed by Westminster if we get it thru. Can't have Scotland being more progressive and democratic than England
Well folks - here is the links to the consultation
Short form and if you want to there is a link to the longer consultation document on the first pge of the short one. Anyone in Scot;land please fill it in - even if you have some doubts as there is space to fit these in ( don't fill it in if totally opposed tho - ta 🙂 )
https://yourviews.parliament.scot/health/assisted-dying-for-terminally-ill-adults-bill/
Info on the bill
Please fill it in - the4 antis are well mobilised and will be flooding this with their replies
Just a bump. Please fill it in - only takes 2 mins - this is important and the antis are well mobilized to object so every person filling this in will help
Done. I hope I never need it but if I do, I'd wish for the option to be there
Done. Literally takes minutes but could (hopefully not) have a huge impact on my life, whether me or family.
Anyone in Scotland please fill it in
You don’t need to live in Scotland to fill this in so short form submitted.
Does it ask for address, as a southerner do i degrade the survey by spamming it with inadmissable responses?
No just name and email
You have to tick a box as to where you live and they do track IP addresses. They reserve the right to ignore non valid responses to stop spamming 🙂
Here is a link to a petition for England and wales
https://www.mydeath-mydecision.org.uk/get-involved-sign-the-petition/
There's a very relevant article up on the BBC News site currently - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn33z53pv3vo
Just read that - heartbreaking...
Be very wary of a Sue Ryder petition going round. they are totally against assisted dying from a religious perspective but have a petition going around about prioritizing end of life care - this will be used to claim that all those conned into supporting the petition oppose assisted dying.
She said: "On Hamish's last night, when he said he was in a lot of pain, I said: 'Would you like me to remove the pain?' and he said: 'Yes please, mama.'
From the BBC article. As a parent, the air was not dusty, I properly blubbed when I read that. How can anybody fail to be moved by the very real and painful testimony of somebody who has lived the decision in its rawest form.
I only hope that I never have to make that decision about a child of mine.
My father died of pancreatic cancer 3 years ago. 8 days from diagnosis to death. Brutal. In the in end the palliative nurses knowingly increased his morphine to unsurvivable levels with a nod and a wink. A grey area for sure, but it wasn't their first rodeo. Nobody in the room objected. He was in a lot of pain after a good innings. He had made his peace with the world and the balance of cruelty swung heavily against keeping him going. He wasn't going to get better or wake up from his coma.
It might be worth getting this thread going again as it looks like an Assisted Dying bill will be put before Parliament next month (the Health Secretary Wes Streeting has already come forward to say he'll vote against).
Terry Pratchett's 2010 Richard Dimbleby Lecture on assisted dying, "Shaking Hands with Death" is well worth a watch, it's an incredible piece in my view (I don't think it's been linked before). I've only just come across it.
Terry Pratchett’s 2010 Richard Dimbleby Lecture on assisted dying, “Shaking Hands with Death” is well worth a watch, it’s an incredible piece in my view (I don’t think it’s been linked before). I’ve only just come across it.
I have lonked to it ona number of threads over the years but its always worth a refresh. Cheers.
Hi
i am back to bore you all again with this. 🙂 Anyone on here who is a supporter that lives in the Kilmarnock constituency?
Your MP, Lilian Jones, is holding an event to discuss Kim Leadbeater MP's assisted dying bill on Friday 22nd November (1 week before 2nd Reading).
Anti choice campaigners have already alerted their membership so please contact Lilian to attend her event, to make sure she hears from the majority of her constituents who support a change in the law. You can email her at lillian.jones.mp@parliament.uk