[Closed] Diet and Nutritional Advice ???

I just had a look on wiki because I couldn't remember which morph was which. Hadn't realised that these classifications were originally part of a theory that body shape was linked to personality type though.

im happy to be one of those MrSmith, i dont know which one tho

Your point is an interesting one - it would suggest that a holistic approach to training and even weight loss is far better than doing/eating X will have Y effect. That's what I try to achieve by experimenting and listening to my body. I'm sure I'm wrong about my assumptions but overall the idea is to find what works.

Exactly 😉

Change one thing at a time and see what works for you, not some geezer on the internet ! Sure, some common basic principles apply, but it's one area where 'anecdotal evidence' outweighs 'peer reviewed papers' every time.

Most conventional biochemistry (Krebs cycle etc) is based on mashed up bits of animal (aka 'cell free system') in a buffer system providing conditions far from those found in your body - it's all they had in the 50's and at the time it was blo**dy good science done by gifted imaginative individuals.

To understand the fine detail you need to look deeper (in both senses of the word) and most of the peers who review find that unsettling to their established heirachy so it's going to take a while before a new way of thinking is fully expressed....

so it's going to take a while before a new way of thinking is fully expressed....

in the mean time we take comfort from the 'I ride my mtb up hill and down dale then sup on a pint and nosh a pie. never did me any harm.' comments that we read on the internet somewhere.

simonfbarnes - Member
because that's what I had read...

That reminds me of something a student once told me after i told him his essay was wrong - "But it was in a book, so must be right."

Change one thing at a time and see what works for you, not some geezer on the internet ! Sure, some common basic principles apply

Are you referring to me as some geezer on the internet? 🙂

I would suggest though that you need a fairly basic grounding in sports physiology rather than starting from scratch. It seems to help provide a framework within which experiments can work.

Sorry DB 😉

I was just hanging onto this thread to see if anyone else is actually going to/is trying this.

Its only a few weeks, or, if you like it, for the rest of your life.

My challenge is finding up enough recipes that meet the requirement.
I wont be eating the eggs, nor drinking the coffee, but thats still loads of different dishes/meals to try.

S

in the mean time we take comfort from the 'I ride my mtb up hill and down dale then sup on a pint and nosh a pie. never did me any harm.' comments that we read on the internet somewhere.

Of course, enjoy life/cycling how you wish - just don't quote 1950's textbook science to justify it 😉

Gowrie wrote

Well explain the science. Even just describe it briefly. Let's see if he knows something the rest of the medical community doesn't.

It is not true to say that it is unknown in the medical community. The consultant (diabetes specialist) who advised a member of my family on diet, recommended a very similar regime.

I didn't buy the Oz programme BTW as I have taken a consensus of similar ideas and applied them to what suits me and my lifestyle. I would guess that my calorie intake is approx. the same as before as I am eating more but have cut out the crap and am eating more regulary.

I would suggest though that you need a fairly basic grounding in sports physiology rather than starting from scratch. It seems to help provide a framework within which experiments can work.

Possibly, but you run the risk of just doing the same old same old !

Honestly, unless you have access to blood, respiratory, electrophysiological and vascular analysis you're better off keeping a simple food/activity diary and being honest with yourself about what you want to achieve and what lifestyle you're prepared to live to get there.

Many western leisure athletes have access to far more sports physiology based training aids than Olympic standard athletes from less well financed countries and Alf Tupper won races on a bag of chips.............

Ruddy hell hilldodger - I have to agree with your last post.

What about a nice chicken salad sandwich and a bottle of Lucozade? Maybe some regular sips of water? A handful of dried fruit or some sweets? A slice of cake? That kind of formula can keep me going strong all day long..

Any good?

Not very scientific I guess so probably not...

EDIT: a nice bit of granary bread in the sandwich natch...

I've just had a big pile of bacon and egg sarnies with coffee and a fag and feel great.

But it was in a book, so must be right.

not one book, everything I've ever read about digestion - so if you're going to advance a different theory you have to punt some evidence.

I think you need to at least know the difference between base training and speed training, since they are pretty relevant for cyclists who want to do anything other than just ride.

As for the developing nation training thing - sure.. I think it's universally accepted that the best thing for any kind of training is time. All the fancy stuff is just to optimise the training you do, either because you need the elite edge or you want to get the most out of the meagre time you have.

TandemJeremy - Member
Ruddy hell hilldodger - I have to agree with your last post.

:blows kisses to new buddy: 😉

Hilldodger, how come you know the stuff you appear to? 🙂

Hilldodger, how come you know the stuff you appear to?

Educational background and 25+ years of career related knowledge/experience as postdoc biological scientist....

Sweet.

Barnes, a polymer made up of a molecule is COMPLETELY different to the molecule on its own!

yes different while it's being a polymer, but obviously not for long in your stomach if its GI is nearly 100

Maltodextrin as it happens is easily broken down but this is not true of all polysaccharides.

I've just started a topic for all of iDave diet followers... I started today, if anyone else has or wants to know the outcomes its here

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/idaves-diet-plan-members

Just for hilldodger

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is there any evidence for this ? I was under the impression they were all broken down into glucose and fructose in the stomach (or mouth - if you suck a piece of bread a little it will become sweet)

Saliva does contain an enzyme specific for starch hydrolysis (amylase), but as little food these days is sucked it plays a minor role.

Most monosaccahrides are produced by the action of pancreatic enzymes in the duodenum, the stomach plays little or no role as it's low pH is not compatible with the action of the enzymes required.

but isn't that a "non answer" answer ? OK I was wrong about the exact location of the breakdown, as it's not in the stomach, but every reference I've located so far says the intestines only take in monosaccahrides, not disaccharides or polysaccharides...

jeesus. judging by the posts, sounds like you lot need a lot of advice. or just like bickering about advice.

sounds like you lot need a lot of advice

you think a wholesale change to the understanding of carbohydrate metabolism shouldn't be challenged ?

that is why all these 'blood sugar' and 'insulin spike' diatribes are just bullshine.....

in the past I've read that carb digestion is limited to around 300 kCal/h for the average person, which makes me wonder how quickly the blood sugar level could change in response to eating anyway, as it's likely to be rate limited, and moreover, since it's possible for the muscles to consume far more energy than that (300 kCal/h = 350W, or ~70W mechanical output), exercise will put a much heavier strain on sugar regulation than eating...