[Closed] Developer inconviniences thousands and....

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Perhaps they have to pay the local authority for the lights so they're happy to leave them there as a generator of revenue.

Perhaps the local council leader has bought one of these pads, perhaps his mate is the developer.

Despite the pretence of just and fair procedures, councils pretty much March to the beat of their own drum.

 If it was a road resurfacing or even a large development of affordable homes I would be far less bothered but it seems very unfair for a private company or individual to make a huge profit whilst costing others time and money

Do you imagine that road surfacing contractors and affordable housing contractors don't make any profit?

If you have a grievance, it's with the council who granted permission for both the development and the road closure.

It could be that the local authority imposed traffic management conditions on them to allow them to do the development, so it may not be at the developer's behest.

Bloody cheeky gits building houses for people to live in!!!

If people didn't need or want houses to live in to live in, we would not have any of these pesky builder types inconveniencing good honest folk on the way to & from their houses.......

@piha - really, thats the best comment you can come up with?

@perchy, yes but the amount of people inconvinineced by road resurfacing is kind of proportional to those that will ultimately benefit from it!

the amount of people inconvinineced by road resurfacing is kind of proportional to those that will ultimately benefit from it!

So , it's the buyers of the houses that you're angry at now?

You need to decide who to be  upset with (Hint: It's the council)

erm, no. Why would you draw that conclusion?    I'm annoyed (note annoyed, not angry) that a developer and a farmer are allowed to disrupt a large number of people whilst benefitting a very few and making themselves a huge return without recompensing the large number of people inconvinienced in some way. I would be less annoyed (note annoyed, not angry) if the disruption was being caused by developers who were either repairing an asset we all use or providing a large number of people with somewhere affordable to live. What is hard to understand here?

What you're really saying is that you object to someone making a profit from an asset they own, and you'd rather an unsafe traffic release onto a busy road risking a serious accident, than wait a few minutes ensuring everyone is safe? Is that right?

I'm not usually this pedantic..but could you please learn how to spell inconvenience..if you are going to continue using the word ..

Otherwise just say you're pissed off ..please .

Speak to the highways department. The developer/contractor will have had to apply for permission to close the road which will have been granted probably for a particular time period. If this has now lapsed the council may be able to tell them to get a bloody move on and/or impose fines. But this depends on what the time period was and what the hold up is.....

You need to speak to the highways dept though.

If you have a grievance, it’s with the council who granted permission for both the development and the road closure.

Nope, the councils are only building because central government forces them too. ...and central govt forces them too because we all want to breed and import cheap quality labour and the extra people have to live somewhere.

So the grievance is with....    .....ourselves.

I hope we're all deeply ashamed of ourselves.

@ Winston - it sounds like your envious of the farmer and potential home owners. Sorry but I find your post a bit odd TBH.

Why does it matter what size the house is or isn't? When the house you live in was built did it inconvenience anyone at the time? What do you want, financial compensation? How much profit is the developer making? Is the farmer in financial difficulties?

I got held up by a truck full of expensive cars, where can I apply for a bit of compo?

Sounds like a reasonable complaint to me. You need to find out who owns the road and contact them. Probably the local council, might be Highways England.

Leave out all the "they are making loads of money" stuff though. Stick to the relevant facts here. Temporary traffic lights causing significant hold ups during rush hour over a number of weeks.

Presumably the OP had the opportunity to object when the planning application was lodged originally? If he didn't, the question is, why not? Becuase if planning has already been granted, the stable door is a long time shut.

Sounds like a reasonable complaint to me. You need to find out who owns the road and contact them. Probably the local council, might be Highways England.

The delays do sound like a reasonable cause for complaint, and perhaps the council would act and request the developer reduces the time the lights are in place to when actual work necessitates it.

Leave out all the “they are making loads of money” stuff though. Stick to the relevant facts here. Temporary traffic lights causing significant hold ups during rush hour over a number of weeks.

But very much this.  Talk about delays, talk about traffic issues but don't let your (fairly obvious) other biases show through in the complaint and I suspect you'll have a lot more luck.

Presumably the OP had the opportunity to object when the planning application was lodged originally?

Good point.

I must remember to check if there's anything planned along my 30 minute commute, just in case the same happens to me.

Who on earth does that??

I have a certain amount of sympathy with the OP, recently some 3 way lights were operating on my commute, fair enough during the day for workers safety & when work was being carried out, but the works were on the verge & the non road side of the path but the idle contractors couldn't be arsed to shift the lights out of the way after they finished. Cue 2 queue's at any one point!

‘zechootive’?

Not a term I'm familiar with.

What compensation are you expecting OP? Some cash thrown through your window as you pass through, fluffers to tug you off while you're waiting in the queue?   From the council's view if they needed compensation it would be delivered through a S106 and you can check the planning portal to see if one was applied/discharged.

If it's a big deal though find another route.

Not a term I’m familiar with.

Me too, so I Googled it.

@mrhoppy - You could have put it more politely but now I know what they are called I will look into S106's

Cheers

I’m going with troll. Was going to mark it 2/10 but actually it’s well presented argument with more or less correct punctuation, syntax, construct etc and hasn’t been called out until now so I’m upping to 4/10.

Still obvious 🙂

Presumably the OP had the opportunity to object when the planning application was lodged originally? If he didn’t, the question is, why not? 

I often find that developments on my commute are not normally communicated to me. Kind of depends how far from where I live they are. Pretty hard to keep track of everything going on.

Me too, so I Googled it.

Tried that and just got this thread.

Not about Windows/Android/IOS. I is disappoint.

OP where are these house?

Don't know about everyone else but I want to learn more about fluffers at traffic lights! 😁

I've sympathy on both sides.

Developer has to work safely and efficiently, and so needs space and restrictions on traffic to do so.

Commuters need to feel that the developer is aware of the inconvenience, perhaps stating an end date and making sure that the restrictions are in place for as little time as necessary.

Is the farmer paying for the fluffers?

Easy....

Cycle and jump the red light.

OP are you jealous of rich people?

As Brexit was an early entry I shall complete the set

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I have the same on my commute to work, although coming to an end now. The council turned down the application as the land was designated for residential housing in the Local Development Plan. The developer appealed to the government who basically said, 'screw the local plan, build what you like' so they're building managed student apartments. Same thing keeps happening at all the big sites in Cambridge as student flats are more profitable than houses / flats. So loads of disruption for zero benefit to the City (we have more than enough student accommodation already, to the point where prices are falling / HMOs aren't being let).

@funkydunc - I suspect your definition of rich people might differ to mine. But no, I am not.

Ironically Ro5ey, a developer much nearer to my home and building a large number of houses has agreed to put in some cycle infrastructure as part of his planning permission (I guess the S106 agreement) which will be really useful for kids getting to school. Clearly there are a large number of people on this thread who really don't get why this type of thing is important and why questioning what is going on around you in your community is a good idea.

Clearly there are a large number of people on this thread who don't understand why I'm complaining when I could just commute by bike and avoid it

FIFY

Ironically Ro5ey, a developer much nearer to my home and building a large number of houses has agreed to put in some cycle infrastructure as part of his planning permission

So...you are complaining about being stuck in a jam in your car, whilst at the same time implying that if the developer had any moral compass they would be putting in cycling infrastructure?

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Don't forget CallMeDave for the full Yahtzee!

And also because the door opening for these kind of developments was done under his government

several thousand cars

Wierd, I’ve not seen any temporary lights on the M1?

What compensation are you expecting OP? Some cash thrown through your window as you pass through, fluffers to tug you off while you’re waiting in the queue?

Chuck in a mirror full of nose candy and we're in business.

And a hot dog. WITH onions.

And one thousand brown M and Ms in a brandy glass or the show doesn't happen.

Wierd, I’ve not seen any temporary lights on the M1?

If you stay in the queue for a couple more months you’ll get to them.  If its the same roadworks I’m thinking about It will all be over by Christmas (allegedly).

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thatcher

corbyn

bankers

Don’t forget CallMeDave for the full Yahtzee!

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I really enjoy these 2 part threads.

What us the lane closure for? Can't see the hold up personally. Drainage, utilities is there a pavement?

I often find that developments on my commute are not normally communicated to me.

They are, but they’re usually confined to bits of green paper zip-tied to a nearby lamppost that you have to stop and read to see what development might be taking place that you might want to comment on. As the paper is usually A4, with ten-point text, it’s very, very difficult to read from the seat of your car twenty feet away.

Other side of the argument here. Either a spoof or stw coincidence.

https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/people-complaining-about-some-traffic-lights-ive-had-put-up/

If you think there's an unreasonable level of disruption to road traffic, lodge a complaint with the council. If enough people complain, they will have to investigate the situation and see if it can be improved.

Posting on a cycling forum is unlikely to make a difference to the problem.