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but, what about the ones rightly convicted, of which there are many many more.
So as long as we hanged more guilty than innocent then thats OK?
No
it's cheaper to let 'em rot for life in prison, preferably in isolation.
surfer, what would you do with the ones in my list then...?
So Rob - you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?
So Rob - you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?
collateral damage init!
teej, what if you knew he was a paedo child killer?
I say yes.. Peter was my wifes' Brother in Law...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8355929.stm
He was stabbed 82 times.
The little scrote that did it, has refused to enter a plea.
We can not yet have the body to bury him, beacause the defence have asked for a 2nd opnion on the autopsy.
Same applies. I believe the death penalty is wrong.
1) I believe judicial killing is wrong on a philosophical basis
2) if you have the death penalty innocent people will be killed by it
3) it does not reduce murder rates.
TandemJeremy - MemberSo Rob - you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?
Not got a brother so it is purely hypothetical 😉
TandemJeremy - MemberSame applies. I believe the death penalty is wrong.
1) I believe judicial killing is wrong on a philosophical basis
2) if you have the death penalty innocent people will be killed by it
[b]3) it does not reduce murder rates. [/b]
Stops reoffending and serial killers
teej, what about justice for the families then??
NO
teej, lots of murderers get away with very soft sentances too mate.
They don't - it's just that those are the ones that get highlighted in the papers.
Very very few families of murder victims will ever be satisfied. All we can do is see that justice is done for all as best as we can.
Ton - you still haven't answered the question. How are you going to prevent miscarriages of justice as in the Guildford 4 - or are you prepared to accept innocent people being hung?
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Stops reoffending and serial killers
How does it stop serial killers?
Would it have stopped Fred West to name one? He killed 12 before he was arrested. The death sentence wouldnt have helped numbers 2 to 12 and the lack of it didnt stop the 13th. Being arrested and detained did.
[i]Cullen bay - what a load of twaddle. I have been inside prisons and they are extremely unpleasant places to be[/i]
Are you sure TJ?
[i]Stops reoffending and serial killer[/i]
Can't argue with that Rob.
(& yes.)
Teej, I think it's apparent from ton's wildly wavering posts that he's simply trolling to try and wind up enlightened liberals.
ton, that's enough now don't you think? It's not even clever anymore.
TJ - you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent...
TJ - you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent...
Of course. The "eyes too close together" test.
deadlydarcy -
sorry.......... 😳
teej............sorry 😳
No.
Blimey.
TJ - you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent...
again, blimey. 🙄
death does stop re-offending, there are cases of rapist going into prison, coming out and re-offending, so why can't that be the same for murderers? I just can't think of a case off the top of my head.
anyway, can we have another senario... (and this one has a basis in fact :?)
man walks into YOUR(hypothetical, dont worry 8O)childs school, kills children, and gets arrested.
Why waste resources in letting him live out a life in prison, when there is conclusive proof that he has murdered lots of people? Why not inject him with "the lethal injection" and do it the humane way.
TJ - you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent...
well when they were released , had their conviction quashed and we gave them vast sums of money in compensation it did get me thinking a bit 🙄
No worries Ton. entertained me for a bit.
esselgruntfuttock -I have been in Pentonville and Saughton ( as staff honest) and they are nasty places to be IMO.
Why not inject him with "the lethal injection" and do it the humane way.
killing people as revenge for a crime isn't humane, no matter how painless it is.
teej, and everyone......joking aside, it is a bit of a sticky one tho.
some people deserve it i think, some are not on this planet, and some are convicted when innocent.
a proper sticky one..
As a direct result of the Gilford 4 and Birmingham 6 cases the Police & Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) 1984 was brought in. This sets 'due process' for the police to follow at arrest, questioning and gathering evidence.
In both these cases the 'evidence' was falsified. They had confessions beaten out of them in police custody. 'Experts' told the court what they thought the court wanted to hear.
Look up the case of Stefan Kisko for an unbelievable miscarriage of justice and staggering incompetence of the police.
The answer to the OP is a resounding NO from me.
If I haven't voted already - yes from me.
No from me - but tougher conditions meted out in Her Majesties Hotels....
good lord I can't believe this is still going on. Can we have a post from kaesae about how he can execute a peado muderer in 5 minutes (using only a bench vice and a set of kona bearings) with a you tube vid to prove it followed by some surreal but ammusing insults just to round the evening off?
Lol @ tazzy.
Yes. But if that is not possible can we make sure life means life with no parole and not some 20 years term? Can we squeeze 10 per cell and one meal per day? Save money and space by the way so at least they are still alive.
Edit: Kill and be killed. Nothing to do with eye for an eye as we are not all blind.
no
Just make sure they do the correct time in prison
Noe early out.
Orange, sometimes purple.
No, no and thrice no.
The only person in the world remotely deserving the death penalty is on her way out anyway and suffering from Alzheimer's. Got my dancing shoes ready.
YES - who is going to count these and post the results???
No
AndyP - Member
No, no and thrice no.The only person in the world remotely deserving the death penalty is on her way out anyway and suffering from Alzheimer's. Got my dancing shoes ready.
i have got the balloons and bunting ready............... 😉
This morning - yes.
No No and No again.
The issue should be about what works and the guage of that should be what prevents reoffending. Not in respct of individual cases, but as a whole, (otherwise the Daily Mail brigade will inevitably discover the exceptions that prove the rule.)
Hanging people doesn't work. The level of crime that warranted a death sentence has not substantially changed capital punishment or no, and thats pretty much a worldwide experience not just in the UK (It is a given that dead person will not reoffend incidentally, but that is not the point here)
Locking people up does not generally lead to a reduction in reoffending. So its fairly obvious that we need to do something else.
Personally I'd fund the criminal justice system properly and judge outcomes and therefore salaries by recidivism rates, and simply leave it to the pros to resolve. I might even consider making it illegal to use it as a political football.
100% No.
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No, life means life though.