[Closed] David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

JHJ,

Thanks.

Like a lot of folk here, I know my western reality is manufactured, I've read my Noam, been to Robert Fisk lectures and Patrick Cockburn Lectures I'm part way through Jeremy Scahill's Dirty Wars, I've got any number of DVDs...

I understand that Govts (and the people in them) do shitty things, and as I said, the fact there are people in positions of power who have abused children and then covered that up...not a surprise, wouldn't bet on it not being true. However, that's a world away from "They're all at it, and they routinely abuse of kids to maintain power, covered up by shadowy govt. forces in league with the church and the Masons"

It seems I'm being a touch misunderstood; I don't for a moment think they're all at it, but there is no doubt that some are and that they are in sufficient positions of power to have it covered up.

David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

This is what you said do you still maintain it is true?

Yep, David Icke has been saying that 😉

I tried so hard not to get involved in this but...

It seems I'm being a touch misunderstood; I don't for a moment think they're all at it,

Really? Because that seems like a pretty massive step away from your original tenet that [i]"child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite."[/i]

there is no doubt that some are and that they are in sufficient positions of power to have it covered up.

I don't think anyone has ever disputed that [i]some[/i] people have used positions of power to abuse children.

Almost every case of child abuse involves some kind of "abuse of power", be that parent, relation, babysitter, teacher, celebrity or MP. That's the nature of that particular evil.

But that's pretty far from saying it is a worldwide shadowy conspiracy involving tens of thousands of co-conspirators.

To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Given that the Jersey cover up and the network surrounding it implicates multiple governments and the Monarchy, with links to several other countries as well, you have to wonder

OK, lets take another look at this diagram, which would fit in with some of David Icke's theories (and which many people all over the world have researched)

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As you can see, the majority of the white bricks are mostly just getting on with their lives and probably don't have a clue what that bunch of purple nasties are up to.

In a similar way to how we all live on the surface of the planet, but no-one really knows what's at the centre...

Given the 5 pages of challenges to you on this it is interesting you change tact

Of course. It's Monday morning. The nurse will have been round with his meds. 😆

Edit: oh, looks like he spat them out again.

JHJ, i don't think anyone would disagree with you about the fact that there are people in power abusing that power, but to go back over ground you seem to want to ignore. You need to show how the routine abuse of children is part of a "central control structure"... (whatever that might be)

It seems I'm being a touch misunderstood; I don't for a moment think they're all at it

That's a misuse of language; as already stated a single claimant was prosecuted, which is not grounds to disregard all the others.

Well, that's not quite right is it....

Because they [b]were [/b]all disregarded weren't they.

Because the claims were all judged to be false, and all thrown out as a hoax.

Which resulted in one of the claimants being found guilty of perjury.

Because they were all disregarded weren't they.

What, like the victims of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Nicholas Fairbairn amongst others?

Yes, [i]that[/i] Jimmy Savile:

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Anyone remember 'The White March' ?
In 1996 over a quarter of a million Belgians took the streets of Brussels in protest of the Dutroux paedophile scandal .. It would be pretty hard to argue that the state wasn't complicit in some sort of cover up .. Folk can engage in back and forth mudslinging all day but that won't make the elephant in the room disappear ..

What, like the victims of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Nicholas Fairbairn amongst others?

Nope.

Because those would be entirely different cases wouldn't they.

As in, not the one that was being discussed.

You know, the one that you brought up, where it was found to be a massive hoax and the claimant got found guilty of perjury.

You brought it up, we just looked at some facts and found out it wasn't true.

Do try and keep up.

Well, thank goodness there is the "Martial Arts Council for the protection of children against government child abuse". Where would we be without them?

Anyone remember 'The White March' ?
In 1996 over a quarter of a million Belgians took the streets of Brussels in protest of the Dutroux paedophile scandal .. It would be pretty hard to argue that the state wasn't complicit in some sort of cover up .. Folk can engage in back and forth mudslinging all day but that won't make the elephant in the room disappear ..

Bang on Noltae... The Dutroux affair is very intriguing, with several claims of links to prominent politicians and Belgian and Dutch Royalty.

You know, the one that you brought up, where it was found to be a massive hoax and the claimant got found guilty of perjury.

2 sides to every story though isn't there; funny how one of the victims got $1,000,000 in compensation if it was a hoax...

Next you'll be telling me that MK-ULTRA is a hoax

Wow,

I never knew Princess Diana was a nonce! But there she is, in the same room as Jimmy Savile, so it must be true.

several claims of links

See Cougar's post above. Pretty much anyone can claim anything. Doesn't make it true.

[quote=Cougar ]Wow,
I never knew Princess Diana was a nonce! But there she is, in the same room as Jimmy Savile, so it must be true.

and the Queen Mum, God bless her. Nonce.

I never knew Princess Diana was a nonce! But there she is, in the same room as Jimmy Savile, so it must be true.

For what it's worth, I cast no judgement on Diana, but it is a bit weird that Jimmy Savile acted as an intermediary between both Charles and Diana and Andrew and Fergie, don't you think?

There's no doubt he was a close confidant of the Palace.

Ah the old [i]"they met once so they [b]must[/b] be part of a shadowy conspiracy"[/i] photo. Always a good one:

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Anyone remember 'The White March' ?
In 1996 over a quarter of a million Belgians took the streets of Brussels in protest of the Dutroux paedophile scandal .. It would be pretty hard to argue that the state wasn't complicit in some sort of cover up ..

Never heard of it, so I looked it up.

At first, the anger amongst the Belgian people was directed mainly at Dutroux himself, but it quickly targeted the police, the justice department and the politicians as well. Many Belgians [b]denounced the police and government for botching the investigation[/b] into the earlier kidnappings and failing to arrest Dutroux earlier, allowing him to kill off the first four victims.

(emphasis mine)

There's a world of difference between "botching the investigation" and a state-sanctioned cover-up campaign. Not that I'm saying there wasn't, I've no idea, but rather than being "pretty hard to argue" it'd appear that it's actually quite easy.

The White March and subsequent activist groups, as far as I can gather, were pushing for Parliamentary reform rather than on a nonce-hunt.

There's no doubt he was a close confidant of the Palace.

Are you saying Neil Warnock is involved somehow?

Try again Graham:

For what it's worth, I cast no judgement on Diana, but it is a bit weird that Jimmy Savile acted as an intermediary between both Charles and Diana and Andrew and Fergie, don't you think?

There's no doubt he was a close confidant of the Palace.

Apparently he was 1st introduced to the Royals in the 60s by Lord Mountbatten, who it seems was involved in the Kincora Scandal

it is a bit weird that Jimmy Savile acted as an intermediary between both Charles and Diana and Andrew and Fergie, don't you think?

I don't know; did he?

There's no doubt he was a close confidant of the Palace.

And? He didn't have his [s]Jim'll Fix It[/s] I'm a Dirty Great Big Nonce badge on so it's entirely possible, likely even, that like the rest of the country they thought he was a nice old man who was good with children.

Put it this way. Say you find out one day that someone you knew, who is now deceased, was involved in some form of criminal activity. Does that automatically make you complicit?

There is a huge difference between "people knew each other" and "they were all in it together." Don't you see that? It might be the case that they were all in it together, but that's a tremendous leap of logic.

Apparently...seems....

Can't you see it yet?

I don't need to try again - you're still at it, casting vague [i]"it is a bit weird don't you think"[/i] accusations with no actual evidence.

Is it weird that royals met a prominent celebrity who (at the time) was known for popular family entertainment and raising money for charity?

No.

Is it weird that some people in positions of power, like Saville, have abused that power?

No.

Does that mean there is a secret global nonce conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people, including the Illuminati, the Vatican, the British Royal family, satanist paedos, the CIA, the police, the courts, child protection, psychiatrists, religious leaders, the media, the lizard people and Dan Brown?

Erm... no.

.

(and it is a bit weird that "psychiatrists" are named as part of the conspiracy, don't you think? 😉 )

There is a huge difference between "people knew each other" and "they were all in it together." Don't you see that? It might be the case that they were all in it together, but that's a tremendous leap of logic.

That's a very fair point. However when you find how close he was to the Royals (having had a mysterious falling out with Prince Philip, but remaining close to Charles) and how many other abusers are in the close circles of the Royals, things become clearer.

On that note, just why are our noble Monarchy so coy?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-family-granted-new-right-of-secrecy-2179148.html

Is it weird that royals met a prominent celebrity who (at the time) was known for popular family entertainment and raising money for charity?

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

The evidence he was close and central was he fell out with one of them.
Please say that was satire.

The evidence he was close and central was he fell out with one of them.
Please say that was satire.

Poor interpretation there, keep reading:

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

There is a huge difference between "people knew each other" and "they were all in it together."

having had a mysterious falling out with Prince Philip, but remaining close to Charles

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

I don't think it is weird no.

If you think it is, then please explain why ?

And also what it has to do with global peadophile conspiracy theories.

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

I'm sure you have some compelling evidence of this (?) but no, I don't think it is particularly weird that people trusted him.

Not sure a lifelong bachelor would have been my first choice of marriage counsellor, but it takes all sorts.

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I'm not saying anything in case the lizards get me but isn't it obvious?

Bloody hell. I just realised that I have a friend who met the pope. I think there may be a pic on fb of it. She's part of it!!!!! 😯

And further, I've realised that her mum knew Posh Spice (before she was famous) who is clearly part of a global conspiracy to keep women insecure and feeling fat and therefore subservient!!!!

ZOMG!!!!!!

I need to go dark!

nemesis,

pah, I was on Crackerjack, where they told me that I would lose the final game as they did boy-girl rotations and it was a girl due to win, so she got board games and easy questions and I got blown up beach balls and harder questions. It was quite literally a conspiracy... duh duh duuuuuuuhhh.

and next door they were filming Jim'll fix it.

ZOMG i'm part of the control sctucture 😯

Poor interpretation there

I hope the irony of me selectively quoting and cheery picking my evidence does not go unnoticed and of course WOOSH to the first point and I suspect this one hence i made it explicit.

I hope the irony of me selectively quoting and cheery picking my evidence does not go unnoticed

Oh, you're one of [i]them[/i] 😉

Oh god!

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...and it gets worse

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But that means ALL cyclists are part of the global conspiracy!!!!!

The Daily Mail was right all along!

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

He clearly wasn't very good at it, though.

[url= http://road.cc/content/news/62676-planet-x-bid-and-win-four-jimmy-saville-bikes-auction ]OH NOES! Brant is (or at least was!) a lizard overlord![/url]

I've worked it out. Since we've established that all cyclists are part of the conspiracy, Jivehoney is actually a plant, peddling the truth in a deliberately flaky way to hide the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH NOES! Brant is (or at least was!) a lizard overlord!

.. and he is obviously close to STW's ruling class, and by extension the MODS. Cougar, named after an animal, just like lizards are animals 😯