Nope.
Damn, you're pretty sharp for a slowoldman, I bow my hat in your honour...
would the news be relating to [url= http://www.channel4.com/news/lord-leon-brittan-home-office-paedophile-dossier ]this[/url] perchance?
As ever, one's own research is the best practice, but is slowoldman alluding to the interviews this morning on the Today programme regarding missing files in connection with historic paedophilia cases?
Quite an intelligently balanced report of what is actually news, with qualified speculation; on the one hand, potentially incriminating files have disappeared,and too often, could this be a cover up? On the other hand, at the time they were only filed allegations without a linked case, and probably not given much regard/priority/importance/care.
I have to admit right away, I haven't heard the debate in question... of course, it's reasonable not to jump to conclusions, however, when the Home secretary responsible at the time, Leon Brittan, has been linked to Elm Guest House and a disturbing video seized by customs from a known paedophile and trafficker, it's not unreasonable to start investigating further. Furthermore, a name relating to Westland Helicopters also appears on the Elm Guest House list.
When both chairs so far assigned to the Child Abuse inquiry have been heavily conflicted (Fiona Woolf of course having links to both Leon Brittan and perhaps to a lesser extent Colin Tucker (of the Edinburgh 'Magic Circle' Scandal (also linked to Nicholas Fairbairn, who also attended Elm Guest House))), alarm bells start ringing.
of course, it's reasonable not to jump to conclusions
And it was all going so well up to that point.
But then obviously you started jumping to conclusions as always.
Neal, you're on the money as always, how dare I question just why it is that Home Office Files have gone missing and several conflicts of interest have been exposed in the relatively tight knit community of the ruling elite.
Of course, it's perfectly acceptable for MPs to abuse children from state run institutions, all paid for with public money.
Silly me.
What exactly do you mean by "linked"?
It's a weasel word, it could mean anything from "was running the place and orchestrated the whole thing" to "spoke to someone once."
What exactly do you mean by "linked"?
It's a weasel word, it could mean anything from "was running the place and orchestrated the whole thing" to "spoke to someone once."
Generally it means that he read it on PrisonPlanet or some other nutjob website, and he doesn't actually know how they are "linked"
But considering that simply being close enough to someone to be in the same photograph is somehow considered as "evidence" of something (never explicitly stated what though)
Then I would say when the word "linked" is used, it generally could mean as little as "being the same species as..."
It's a weasel word, it could mean anything from "was running the place and orchestrated the whole thing" to "spoke to someone once."
All of the instances I've used 'linked' have significant gravity; not merely that they have been photographed together, or spoken to someone once.
If you have any specific queries on links mentioned, fire away...
That's a non-answer. What do you mean by "significant gravity", it explains nothing. Are they on Jupiter?
If you have any specific queries on links mentioned, fire away...
Sure. [i]How[/i] are they linked?
What do you mean by "significant gravity"
"the ratio of the density of a substance to the density of a reference substance". Oh sorry, that's specific gravity.
If you have any specific queries on links mentioned, fire away...
Sure. How are they linked?
That's pretty specific.
Looking forward to the answers.
How and in what way is the triangular mi5 badge you posted linked to the real mi5 ?
Sure. How are they linked?
I'm guessing your referring to this:
when the Home secretary responsible at the time, Leon Brittan, has been linked to Elm Guest House and a disturbing video seized by customs from a known paedophile and trafficker, it's not unreasonable to start investigating further. Furthermore, a name relating to Westland Helicopters also appears on the Elm Guest House list.When both chairs so far assigned to the Child Abuse inquiry have been heavily conflicted (Fiona Woolf of course having links to both Leon Brittan and perhaps to a lesser extent Colin Tucker (of the Edinburgh 'Magic Circle' Scandal (also linked to Nicholas Fairbairn, who also attended Elm Guest House))), alarm bells start ringing.
Well, as stated (and has been widely circulated in the news) Leon Brittan was Home Secretary when Geoffry Dickens compiled and presented his dossier, which is said be a fairly comprehensive expose of a paedophile ring operating within Westminster.
This link goes into some detail as to how Leon Brittan changed his answers a number of times as the case progressed:
http://www.channel4.com/news/lord-leon-brittan-home-office-paedophile-dossier
This report from Feb 2013 covers some of the issues surrounding Elm Guest House, including an interview with Mary Moss, who was a care worker with NAYPIC:
The interview features Chris Fay (who was working with victims at NAYPIC a the time the Guest House was operating).
In addition to Chris's testimony, this article on the seizure of material by Dover Customs from Russell Howard Tricker in 1982 further backs claims made:
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This audio file features an interview with the customs officer mentioned:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1z48WVsd1M8
Russell Howard Tricker is a known paedophile a child trafficker, who used his job as a coach driver to traffic children between London and Europe. He's known within international paedophile networks and mentioned in this piece by Nick Davies:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/27/childprotection.uk
Fiona Woolf's links to Leon Brittan have been well publicized, but should you so desire, here is the full details of the various drafts compiled in collaboration with the home office (said by many to be a form of cover up in itself):
This also includes the link to Colin Tucker, who is a steward to Fiona Woolf and was involved in the Edinburgh 'Magic Circle' scandal.
Also involved in the Magic Circle Scandal was the Tory MP Nicholas Fairbairn (already mentioned in relation to Elm Guest House)
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/raped-aged-4-scots-tory-4047789
The father of the victim mentioned, Robert Henderson, was the defence counsel for Colin Tucker.
How and in what way is the triangular mi5 badge you posted linked to the real mi5 ?
Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in the thread...
apparently, it was used up until some time in the 1970s.
I can't conclusively prove this, if you can conclusively disprove it, I'd be interested to know.
Soooo...
You heard a rumour on a conspiracy website. We can't disprove it. Therefore it's true.
You're not a scientist are you?
A:Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in the thread...
B:apparently, it was used up until some time in the 1970s
A:Pretty sure it has not.
B:apparently it was not. The conclusive proof that it was not is the 100% absence of any evidence that it was. Please show any actual link that suggests it was.
You're not a scientist are you?
Are detectives scientists?
Funnily enough slowoldman, still not a peep out of you on yesterdays breaking news on child abuse... bit shy are we?
apparently, it was used up until some time in the 1970s
Pretty sure it has not.
Did I design the logo?
No
If you search for Mi5 logo, does it frequently appear?
Yes
Is this the entire basis of my argument regarding David Icke having said that child abuse is a control mechanism used by religious and political powerbrokers?
Not at all
When was the current logo adopted?
1981 it appears:
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/faqs-about-mi5/what-does-the-mi5-crest-represent.html
Is Mi5 well known for it's transparency?
Strangely not
So mi5 was formally acknowledged to exist in 1989 the current badge predates that , where is your evidence that there was a badge before that? I can show you an image of James Bonds mi6 swipe card that comes up on Google images it does not make him real.
So what is the basis of your argument?
Who are these power brokers who are so week they need to promote and then blackmail pedophiles to exert control?
Furthermore, a name relating to Westland Helicopters also appears on the Elm Guest House list.
Budgie the Helicopter? I knew there would be a royal connection.
If you search for Mi5 logo, does it frequently appear?
If I do an image search for "singletrackworld", I get this as the second image.
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What more proof do you need?
Sorry crankboy, you've failed to provide any evidence, therefore, I'm out
That said, CFH, we all know that STW is the place to pick up the hotties 😉
Su-ba-ru!!
Well well, convenient timing:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5399/revealed-peter-hayman-paedo-spy-tinker-tailor-soldier-pie
That is sort of the point jive old boy you are the one who makes the assertion the onus is upon you to provide the proof some thing you have conspicuously failed to do over 18 pages . Hence you are indeed out perhaps you should do some more research.
you are the one who makes the assertion
This is like turning two mirrors to face each other...
At the end of the day, the logo exists
Therefore, the onus is on you to prove it is a fabrication
can you provide us with details of the logo prior to the current one, which came into being in 1981?
I have spoken to my contacts there was no logo prior to 1981 can you prove unicorns don't exist ? Show one link that says your badge was the mi5 logo in the 70s . show one link that dates the badge to the 70s .
Who are your contacts?
Show a link that proves it doesn't?
All the links I've seen dating it back to the 70s are hearsay, as is the testimony of your contacts, or any evidence you have so far provided.
You're dwelling on a minor point and ignoring the wealth of other information.
What are your motives?
I gotta say, I love how much money this Ike guy has made selling crazy to idiots
I gotta say, I love how much money this Ike guy has made selling crazy to idiots
Aye, a bit like Rupert Murdoch
jivehoneyjive - MemberAye, a bit like Rupert Murdoch
There's crazy with people in it and there's crazy with space lizards. Are you trying to make Ike sound more legit?
A: you want me to name the people who investigate prosecute and defend terrorists on an internet forum ? Grow up.
B: Google mi5 badge find any image of anyone ever wearing that badge ? Any document that is genuine with that logo?
C: I'll take hearsay give me a link to some hearsay evidence that that badge is real. To be clear first or second hand hearsay not pure speculation.
D:I know but it is a minor point you asserted as true and it goes to the credibility of your overall case . You asserted it with confidence if it is wrong why should I trust the rest.
E: you make powerful accusations if you are right I should be doing something so I want you to demonstrate that you are right.
Truth seems to lay between the 2 extremes.
Icke has some interesting things to say, but lizards and whatnot a wee bit (a lot) bonkers
Murdoch balls deep with shady characters from global political, economic and oil spectrum.
2nd Largest stakeholder in Newscorp is a Saudi Prince
Saudi Arabia one of, if not the, largest client of UK Arms Trade.
Also key to Wahhabi Muslim Extremists; be-headings regular, but unreported.
Many more dodgy links.
Pretty sure David Icke doesn't profit from war.
you make powerful accusations if you are right I should be doing something so I want you to demonstrate that you are right.
If you are attempting to base my entire case on a simple badge, that neither of us can prove the providence of due to it's covert origins, you do both of us a disservice.
can you provide us with details of the logo prior to the current one, which came into being in 1981?
Go on jive just one link hearsay accepted.....
How about you provide a link with details of the logo prior to the current one, which came into being in 1981 first; after all, I've provided plenty of links so far and all you've done is whinge a bit 😉
*takes a massive bong hit* ok dude take me down that rabbit hole
2nd Largest stakeholder in Newscorp is a Saudi PrinceSaudi Arabia one of, if not the, largest client of UK Arms Trade.
Also key to Wahhabi Muslim Extremists; be-headings regular, but unreported.
1) the Wahhabis (and religious fundamentalists) are the primary source of political opposition to the House of Saud (of which al Waleed is part) within Saudi Arabia. The Saudi state buys arms to put down domestic political opposition, not to protect itself from outside. The real Wahhabis think that the Saudi royals are a bunch of corrupt degenerates that have sold out entirely to mammon and unholy American interests. (They are, I think, but I suspect my solution would be different to the Wahhabis'). There is, in other words, a link between al Waleed and the Wahhabis, but it's not in the way you suggest.
2) not only are the beheadings are reported, they're done in public in the main squares of town on a Friday (when there is someone to execute). Your suggestion that they are done in secret is entirely wrong.
the Wahhabis (and religious fundamentalists) are the primary source of political opposition to the House of Saud (of which al Waleed is part) within Saudi Arabia. The Saudi state buys arms to put down domestic political opposition, not to protect itself from outside. The real Wahhabis think that the Saudi royals are a bunch of corrupt degenerates that have sold out entirely to mammon and unholy American interests. (They are, I think, but I suspect my solution would be different to the Wahhabis'). There is, in other words, a link between al Waleed and the Wahhabis, but it's not in the way you suggest.
Fair point, was just putting forward a few bits of information for further research, thanks for your input.
Of course, Murdoch's acquaintances spread the world over, from the Rothschilds to Simon Cowell (Murdoch and Cowell were introduced by Max Clifford).
not only are the beheadings are reported, they're done in public in the main squares of town on a Friday (when there is someone to execute). Your suggestion that they are done in secret is entirely wrong.
Bit of a misunderstanding there, I was meaning western media coverage, which is in stark contrast to the beheadings carried out by ISIS.
Some suggest ISIS beheading videos are being used to swing public opinion to help justify another war, which is of course profitable for certain parties, who all to often are within the political elite.
Jive the Peter Hayman link.a 1978 incident was investigated by police this was public knowledge in 1981. He was publicly prosecuted in 1984 for a different sex offense. Not exactly evidence of a global conspiracy just because you conveniently discover an article written this month.
[s]Fair point, was just putting forward a few bits of information for further research, thanks for your input.[/s]
Yeah ok, you've caught me talking crap and making it sound like a conspiracy when it's actually totally different from how I intentionally made it sound.
(Murdoch and Cowell were introduced by Max Clifford).
And ?
[b]Some suggest[/b] ISIS beheading videos are being used to swing public opinion to help justify another war
Some suggest they aren't 🙄
Not exactly evidence of a global conspiracy just because you conveniently discover an article written this month.
Certainly not in isolation...
But Dolphin Square has links to both:
Bryn Estyn/Bryn Alyn (North Wales), which link to care homes across the UK and further afield.
Elm Guest House, which has links to traffickers who operate throughout mainland Europe
Jimmy Savile has been linked to both Elm Guest House and Bryn Estyn
That's before you take into account Hayman's multiple overseas roles...
Sorry Jive I was not clear the reason Haymen is not exactly evidence of a global conspiracy to use peado blackmail to maintain the power structures of the elite is that as British Ambassador and deputy director of mi6 he was the elite or at least a long way up your purple column. He would not get exposed and ruined by a low level white brick would he? He was exposed he was named he was prosecuted no global elite cloak of impunity , no conspiracy.
Pedophiles exist as a small but statisticaly significant subset of the population across class and educational ability. Some of them will have highflying carears some will abuse power and opportunity all will seek to avoid exposure . sometimes it will be expedient to wish a problem away or ignore it. None of that equates to a conspiracy that places child abuse at the heart of the contoll mechanisams of an ill defined elite. Ike at least defined the elite as alien lizards who do you say they are?
And why do they need to be secret if they rule the world why not say so?
I was not clear the reason Haymen is not exactly evidence of a global conspiracy to use peado blackmail to maintain the power structures of the elite is that as British Ambassador and deputy director of mi6 he was the elite or at least a long way up your purple column. He would not get exposed and ruined by a low level white brick would he?
(conjecture warning)
Fair point, but, if indeed there was a conspiracy of the nature described, every now and again a scapegoat would be necessary, to avoid too much public scrutiny.
A degree of press exposure, followed by a culprit appears to give closure to a case in order to diffuse public pressure.
Though Hayman's position does indeed appear to be high enough in the structure to avoid exposure, he could've served as a warning to others... he may have upset someone, or it may simply be that he was chosen as a means of deflecting the focus away from the more public figures who have been linked to abuse in Dolphin Square and Elm Guest House.
who do you say they are?
It is indeed hard to define; the Monarchy evidently are beyond the laws applied to the rest of us
David Icke states much of the global elite are related via bloodlines, but I haven't researched this to any great degree.
And why do they need to be secret if they rule the world why not say so?
Openly ruling through a mechanism of child abuse is likely to stir sufficient discontent in the 99% to ensure such a regime was overthrown.
Always better to keep the power in the shadows, or disguised.
When you think about it, whilst elected politicians only have a short term in the limelight of power, the Monarchy, Vatican and a number of Banking families have continued along their chosen trajectories with minimal fuss for centuries.
I just did a search for jivehoneyjive and this came up
[img] https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm3RfFWFVXat9d-P1M1Wa3RglgcCPr8hHVMna6rViNpFrYBTDa [/img]
But that can't be right surely? It suggests an interest in bikes.
conjecture warning
NO shit Sherlock
might as wel lbe your new name
I like the way you are [ appearing to] conceding some ground to keep up the "debate"
David Icke states much of the global elite are related via bloodlines
This bloodline being alien shape shifting lizards who created the humans
