Personally I would rather focus on your factual error but I am not surprised you want to shoot of on a tangent rather than face the reality of your own ludicrous claims- even you know that one is pish.
As for your link not even a childish goad will get me to read another one of your piss poor links. I suspect, eventually, one will have some credibility but I have given up reading you nonsense just as you have given up , my mistake you never actually started, replying to challenges we all call FACTS
Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!
I seem to recall earlier in the thread neal you mentioned you had only clicked one of my many links; I'm a bit loathe to go to the trouble of compiling evidence if you are too lazy to read it, however, this link (already provided) should go some way to meeting the context you seek:
https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/the-military-and-child-porn-5995c9aa4d2c
Do you ever listen to Nerd alert on Radio 1 Junky?
Some of the stuff you come out with reminds me of it for some reason.
Anyhoo, enough of this banter, it's bed time you lovely people, see you soon, keep bringing love light and laughter into the world 😉
Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!
So now anyone who asks for evidence of your bullshit claims get accused of having no sympathy for victims of sexual abuse ?
I guess your "apology" for doing exactly the same thing an hour ago was as genuine as most of your conspiracy claims then.
I seem to recall earlier in the thread neal you mentioned you had only clicked one of my many links; I'm a bit loathe to go to the trouble of compiling evidence if you are too lazy to read it
Funny, whenever you're asked to provide factual, peer-reviewed evidence, your inevitable response is 'don't you know how to use Google'.
[quote=jivehoneyjive]I'm a bit loathe to go to the trouble of compiling evidence
That's about the most accurate thing I've ever seen you post.
Aye, ruling the worlds no.1 financial centre, several of the worlds wealthiest tax havens and sitting on the legacy of a global empire really has no consequence.
I don't think the Queen actually has that much power over British party politics, let alone over global capitalism. if you run a tax haven, you don't make much money because [i]you don't raise a lot of tax[/i].
you're surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?
What about the intelligence services?
I don't understand what you're asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?
it seems incongruous that theories that want to explain the way in which the world is run are so parochial and focused on a small part of the world.
(by the way, I notice your responses to my questions were respectively sarcasm and asking another question. I think this is because you don't have answers to them that satisfy even you).
I've been lurking on this thread for some time.... I thought I'd speak up before the inevitable lock!
This has been a real eye opener - not in terms of content, but as an insight into the nature of conspiracy-theorizing
I'll just leave this here: [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory[/url] (some good linked articles too)
If you're short on time, just skip to the "Why people believe" and "Psychological origins" sections (and associated articles).... puts some things into perspective.
Personally I'd be quite interested in a thread that discussed why people believe in certain conspiracies rather than the conspiracy itself.
It's an interesting subject matter. Admittedly not quite interesting enough for me to bother starting a thread on it.
@piemonster - it's undergraduate psychology stuff that
There's a simple experiment you can do:
- Draw up a questionnaire about belief in conspiracies or other "alternative" belief systems, e.g. the supernatural. This allows you to score participants on how sceptical (or not) they are.
- Then draw up some questions to assess participants' ability to estimate probability, e.g. how likely is that your kid would share a birthday with another kid in their class (it's more likely than you'd think).
- Now compare the scores. What you typically see is that higher levels of belief (you could call it "credulousness") are inversely correlated with ability to estimate probability, i.e. people who believe in conspiracies aren't very good at estimating probability.
The accepted explanation is that human beings often over-estimate how unlikely things are, i.e. they see a coincidence as indicative of some deeper structure or meaning rather than what it is, just one of those things. I think that's usually due to not taking into account how many other situations did not result in the positive finding (sampling bias).
A bit more reading on statistics, particularly w.r.t. observational research, and a bit less obsessing about alien lizards would be of great benefit to some people. Mind you, it would also make for a very boring thread.
Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!
Questioning your ludicrous claims is not to show a lack of concern for the victims of child abuse - its offensive and a non sequitur.
It also shows you cannot recognise data, form a conclusion nor recognise the truth.Your claims are as stupid as your personal attacks are ludicrous
Jive your last link really undermines your argument governments publicly exposing and cracking down on the viewing of porn "possibly even child porn" on state computers. Any one with a job where computers are used will be able to explain to you there are issues with computer misuse. If your theory was correct surely government would not be publicly cracking down on it but tacitly allowing it recording it and then using the information to coerce and control.
there you go with your rational and cogent arguments again
Pfft.
Yes, but did you read all those people who got prosecuted for looking at child porn on government computers?
That is clear proof that the government encourages employees to watch child porn and doesn't prosecute them.
Erm...
The bigger concern for me is that, [i]according to that link[/i], people who work at the Pentagon are stupid enough to not only browse child porn at work, but [i]apparently[/i] happily provide their government email addresses and credit card details to illegal nonce sites.
Yes that did seem strange as surely no one is that daft.
We did have employees who used work for ebay and betting sites so who knows!!!
If your theory was correct surely government would not be publicly cracking down on it but tacitly allowing it recording it and then using the information to coerce and control.
A possible explanation is: once it's been exposed, they have to be seen to be doing something about it, until it blows over.
I feel I should be being paid for all this; if you really wanted the full story, you'd have bought a ticket to David Icke at Wembley 😉
If anyone's primary reason for being here is because they want to argue on the internet, surely there's a new wheel size, BB standard or special saddle for your gooch coming out soon? 😆
I feel I should be being paid for all this; if you really wanted the full story, you'd have bought a ticket to David Icke at Wembley
So getting back to David Icke, how do our reptilian rulers so convincingly hide the fact that they are reptiles ?
And how come our Royal Family have spent so much time over the years skiing in Klosters when they should have been hibernating ? I have never heard of a reptile, or any cold-blooded animal for that matter, frolicking in the snow.
If you're asking me, I refer you to this previous post:
Lizards!! ***king Lizards!!Are you nuts?
I appreciate this is a David Icke thread, but maybe we have a major misunderstanding prevailing here.
I never said a damn thing about lizards, that is bonkers!!
That'll be 25p please 😉
-How do reptilians maintain a disguise etc?
-How is child abuse central to the control structures of the elite?
David Icke explains it in a book you can read
I DON'T WANNA HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!
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You coincidence theorists are an odd bunch.
I refer you to this previous post
So you accept most of what David Icke says except the bit about the reptiles ?
But isn't "we are being ruled by extraterrestrial reptiles" fairly central to the whole David Icke conspiracy theory ?
And if he's "bonkers" when he's talking about extraterrestrial reptiles how come he's perfectly sane when he's talking about pedophile conspiracy theories ?
How can we tell when he's gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?
You coincidence theorists are an odd bunch.
What coincidence is that........that the Queen doesn't look anything like a reptile ? That coincidence ?
How can we tell when he's gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?
I think this is how most conspiracy theories work. Interlace the bonkers with some facts, half truths, and dodgy rumours and when anybody questions the bonkers bit point to a verifiable fact. Then extrapolate a half truth to substantiate the rumour. Short step to bonkers from this point.
Anyway, as the fireman said to the explosives expert. "Pull it"
How can we tell when he's gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?
Research, you should try it some time...
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For what it's worth, until recently I thought it was all ridiculous; my initial reaction when Jimmy Savile was exposed was that it was just 'victims' attention seeking and trying to get compensation.
Then I did my research...
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"How can we tell when he's gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?"Research, you should try it some time...
So you can tell when David Icke is bonkers and when he's sane because of your research, are you some sort of psychiatrist then ?
My knowledge of mental disorders is very limited, would you suggest I just trust your judgement instead?
You might not like what I diagnose...
I suggest you do your research
(This may become a recurring theme, you're tickling my troll buttons 😀 )
I think you're being evasive because you can't provide an answer that would satisfy even you.
I notice you haven't answered my previous questions either. I think that is either because you're too lazy (which is fair enough) or because you can't provide an answer that would satisfy even you.
Which questions?
If you do your research, maybe you could answer them yourself? 😀
your research is so poor it cannot even identify the questions
GO you
C'mon now Junky, there's no need to be nasty to the 'bunny...
Thing is, I'm deluged with so many questions, (even though I'm not David Icke), it's hard to know which ones I'm supposed to answer.
Let's call it 20p a question and I'll see what I can do
jivehineyjive: the question that I have asked that you haven't answered is in response to this exhange:
you're surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?
What about the intelligence services?
the question I asked is this one, that is at the top of this page:
I don't understand what you're asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?
the underlying question, which you could also answer if you choose, is this:
how can a theory that purports to explain how the world really works out so much emphasis on the Pope and the Queen when there are large parts of the world over which their institutions do not have and never have had any significant influence?
OK jive
please provide proof that the three cornered "mi5" badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?
Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?
Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?
Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated.
Potential 80p at stake here.
While we're at it, the purported link between elite/expensive public schools and child abuse: given the large number of boys that go through these schools, how many of them (as a percentage) would the abusers have to molest to guarantee a suitable number in positions of power? After all, if you only molest a couple the odds are pretty much against you, right?
Potential 80p at stake here.
+ my 20p, you're up to a full pound now!
May a raise the stakes with 1000idr (I was saving some in case I ran out of big roll) that the answer come in the form of a massive leap to left field and a new conspiracy.
I don't understand what you're asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?
Of course they don't have complete control, but they exert influence and have done for centuries.
The Opium wars are a prime example of this.
You have to remember this is a dynamic situation; they are vying for control, but have not yet fully established it by any means; the child abuse networks are just one way they pursue larger goals. Other avenues such as the economy, media and drugs trade are also used.
how can a theory that purports to explain how the world really works out so much emphasis on the Pope and the Queen when there are large parts of the world over which their institutions do not have and never have had any significant influence?
You have to remember relations of the Royal family spread far and wide, from the Belgian and Dutch Royal families to the deposed Russian tsars. Beyond this due to their power and influence, they have a large number of allies and people who toady up to them.
The dealings of the Vatican go beyond just the Catholic church, with huge investment portfolios and business interests; some suggest there is also significant links to the mafia, but I haven't had the time to research this.
Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?
You seem to expect me to have all the answers, something I never claimed to have; however, it is well documented that Mi5 agents have manipulated MPs with blackmail.
Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?
Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated.
I don't have the time to do all the research necessary; if you want answers, look into it and report back, I'd be interested in what you find
please provide proof that the three cornered "mi5" badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?
From what I understand the three cornered Mi5 badge was in use until the 70s; being as it comes from such a secretive organization, it's hard to get conclusive evidence either way.
If anyone can prove it either way, I'd be interested to know.
Interestingly, the same all seeing eye appears on the DARPA logo:
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While we're at it, the purported link between elite/expensive public schools and child abuse: given the large number of boys that go through these schools, how many of them (as a percentage) would the abusers have to molest to guarantee a suitable number in positions of power? After all, if you only molest a couple the odds are pretty much against you, right?
Good question; unfortunately, not being a lizard overlord, I don't have access to the information to answer that question. If you can find it, it may be an indicator that you are a double agent acting on behalf of 'them'.
David Icke is your man for these answers, he's got a 20 year headstart in the research stakes.
Dammit, I could've done with 80p n all.
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Your "research" isn't really up to much is it ?
The name of the organisation whose logo you posted is on the bloody logo, but you still failed to get it correct.
Neal, the logo he showed is "obviously" the super secret logo that only those on the "inside" know about and get to use.........
I could enlighten you regarding the MI5 logo. But then I'd have to kill you.
It's the logo (unsurprisingly) of the Information Awareness Office.
There is a clue to this on the logo if you look very closely.
What is really interesting, is why do conspiracy theorists bang on about seeing the "all seeing eye" as part of various companies and organisations logos etc.
Why is this supposed to be a bad thing ?
What do they think it represents ?
They just say "and look, there is the all seeing eye again.... Mmmmm makes you think!"
Well, yes it does make me think ......
It makes me think you haven't done your "research" 🙄
jive I have done my research and am reporting back.
please provide proof that the three cornered "mi5" badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?
Answer: it is not an organisation so secret it was not officially referred to or acknowledged to exist at the time did not have an official badge, it may or may not be a made up internal logo but I also discovered James Bond's identity card in the same research!
Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?
Answer: they don't their are far more effective and less risky methods should they chose to use them , Occam's razor is a good tool as is common sense.
Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?
Answer :It was not otherwise it would have been exposed either at the time or on the fall of the Berlin Wall .
Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated
Answer : because there is no elite child porn conspiracy if their was they would not investigate and expose child porn within the elite they would control and direct the investigation so only pawns were ever exposed not key military figures.
I have on occasions done paid professional work with victims and abusers (including rings) I have never ever come across anything to support your Theory , incompetence, victim blaming, arrogance lack of compassion, refusal to countenance as it is just too horrible but no overarching conspiracy. I know many of the white bricks at a number of levels I am indeed one but I have never seen heard or suspected a purple column. I have also worked alongside too MPs in a very limited way and can honestly say anyone who uses a lever like that to manipulate them is seriously over gunned.
The name of the organisation whose logo you posted is on the bloody logo, but you still failed to get it correct.
Highlight once again his inability to process even the simplest of data
Funniest self pwning on here for a while
Oh no. I've just discovered some evidence for Icke's "reptilians from the constellation Draco" hypothesis.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16615650
It's gone beyond funny into tragic.
I think he's actually a 5th columnist tasked with distracting us with googling [b]MK-ULTRA[/b] while the real takeover of power is occurring.
I think he's actually a 5th columnist tasked with distracting us with googling MK-ULTRA while the real takeover of power is occurring.
Damn, you've sussed me out, I was trying to distract you from TTIP.
Bit funny how they locked MEPs out, eh?
Your "research" isn't really up to much is it ?
Back at you my sweet; the logo I provided is a legitimate DARPA one, as it yours, but it seems you are a mite eager to polarize the situation.
Here is a bit more data on the information awareness office for your information awareness 😀 :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office
