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Lordy lord.
That patch 😆 It’s like a tiny summary of the Uk in 2024.
I'd complain about that patch, as its going to present an ongoing hazard to users, and continued liability to the council.
What are the odd BT installed the new pole, swapped the wires over then chopped the old one off at ground level, creating a hard or soft spot on the path that will fail eventually...
I’m glad it’s been moved, I’m not impressed by the quality of that patch
Old Jewish lady and her grandson at the beach, a massive wave comes and sweeps the boy into the sea, "Oh God, help me" she cries, A hand comes down from heaven and plucks the child from the sea, to place him, spluttering at his grandmother's feet. She takes a look at the child, raises her face to the sky and says "He had a hat"
Some folks, never satisfied
We, cyclists, need to object to any cycle infrastructure that is ill conceived, Badly designed, poorly specced, badly lit, with no plan for maintenance. Which is basically all of it.
Bin there, dun that, no interest, no budget, outside "design guidelines".
Then if you ask for the design guidelines (i'm originally an engineering designer by actual trade and qualification) they go all coy...
We, cyclists, need to object to any cycle infrastructure that is ill conceived, Badly designed, poorly specced, badly lit, with no plan for maintenance. Which is basically all of it.
Like every other road user gets to do? I mean we could behave like a special interest group and demand that privilege, and as every other road user takes our views into careful consideration and treat us daily like the royalty we very clearly are; I'm sure we'd have their backing
Good result but I will point out that it's not a BT / Openreach pole. It will be one of the new fibre broadband networks. You can tell as it has an inset label on it rather than marks engraved directly into the timber.
Some folks, never satisfied
I dunno. I take your point, but that patch is by any measure... shall we be kind and say "unsympathetic"? If I were the manager of that crew I'd be sending them back, it's bloody awful work. Part of me wonders whether they did an intentionally shit job out of pique.
Cycle path near me (line on the road rather than segregated) is narrower than my handlebars, so I basically have to ride on the line or just outside it, which seems to really wind up car drivers.
but that patch is by any measure… shall we be kind and say “unsympathetic”?
If it was a pavement that was a special worth that needed sympathetic treatment, like ancient cobblestones or a path along the gardens of the Taj Mahal, or some such, I'd agree with you, but its a concrete path in suburbia. It's going to be dug up in a few months from now for "Future Broadband Mega-pipe Coming to your Area" or "Is there a gas pipe down there exploration dig..."
This is why nearly all our roads, pavements, and cycleways are nearly always trash: immediately after being meticulously surfaced any utility company can come along, dig it up, and do a * repair. Those repairs are subsequently where the surface fails well before its time and become the focus of a patchwork of more * repairs. We don’t even bother doing a good job to begin with now, so inevitable is the destruction. One of the joys of visiting so many other developed nations is being in a public realm that’s not pure ****.
You’re right though; we should just tug our forelocks and suck it up.
One of the joys of visiting so many other developed nations is being in a public realm that’s not pure ****.
Sure, but go to the suburbs of any city anywhere in the world, and it looks like they've just held the "Road Builders Open, Pavement Special - North West 2024" competition. The choice is yours nice pavements, working utilities.
its a concrete path in suburbia. It’s going to be dug up in a few months
So a shit job is acceptable because it's not a Grade 2 Listed Pavement? If it's a concrete path then why not fill in the hole with, ooh, I don't know, let me think...
Let's be less generous then, let's go with "*ing awful." Whoever did that work should be ashamed of themselves and as above I rather suspect it was deliberate. "We only put this *ing pole in last week and now we've got to *ing move it because of some whiny little * on a pushbike who doesn't even pay road tax."
I'm struggling to get excited about the state of a tarmac repaired square if I'm honest.
This is why nearly all our roads, pavements, and cycleways are nearly always trash: immediately after being meticulously surfaced any utility company can come along, dig it up, and do a **** repair.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3StO-7zZY&pp=ygUUSGVpbmVrZW4gaG9sZSBhZHZlcnQ%3D
We, cyclists, need to object to any cycle infrastructure that is ill conceived, Badly designed, poorly specced, badly lit, with no plan for maintenance. Which is basically all of it.
Like every other road user gets to do? I mean we could behave like a special interest group and demand that privilege, and as every other road user takes our views into careful consideration and treat us daily like the royalty we very clearly are; I’m sure we’d have their backing.
Having worked with a variety of authorities building new roads/bridges, I can confirm that consideration fo motoroised users of the highway is given absoluteley the highest consideration, and any other user going over, under or along any new highway is, at best, given cursory consideration, often lip-service and sometimes complete disregard. So yes, it is reasonable that every user be considered when desiging and building infrastrucutre, and that guidance should be followed wherver possible, and the reasons for derrogating away from relevant guidance be recorded and justified.
Good result but I will point out that it’s not a BT / Openreach pole. It will be one of the new fibre broadband networks. You can tell as it has an inset label on it rather than marks engraved directly into the timber.
Having also worked with a variety of these "new" fibre providers, I can confirm that they are also universally slapdash, ignorant of just about anything outside of their own narrow field of view and unable to comprehend why you may not want them to install their new cable in a location that is massively inconveninet for the landowner/occupier/user... The only surprise therre is that they moved it at all....
Good result but I will point out that it’s not a BT / Openreach pole.
As I said in post number 11 on page 1, it's a City Fibre pole. City Fibre have been engaged in a prolonged campaign to make the pavements of Warwick unnavigable for some months now.
What is the business case for City Fibre? We already have Virgin and Openreach fibre here. I can't see how they can ever hope to recoup the investment by signing up a small proportion of houses to a £25 broadband plan.
Is this now the mega shaming thread? What do you all think of @51.492527,-3.1813078,3a,75y,184.01h,75.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smvWRZte7YxV0uW81nbZMhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu">this one in Cardiff? Due to the way the junction at the north end of that road is designed and where the segregated cyclepaths go, both directions of the cyclepath end up on the right hand side of the road and because they want you to take a shortcut to the back of the student's union at the south end they have to make you cross the road at those lights. Problem is that you have to wait bloody ages for the lights. It's not a busy road, and it was really wide originally so there was absolutely zero issue just riding it like a normal road. In fact, one of the least problematic parts of the whole area.
The through road gets most of the priority on the lights and its downhill through that bit from the north so you can ride fast enough, it's far easier to stick to the road. Coming from the south some people come from Senghenydd road and end up on the cycle path and others come around the corner from the railway bridge on the left hand side of the road, so you end up with some cyclists on the road on the left as usual and some cyclists going in either direction in the segregated cycle lane on the right. In fact if you come from the railway bridge there's no indication that they want you to cross the road - and even if there were, who'd want to cross it only to be made to wait at lights for 5 mins later on to cross it back?
Like every other road user gets to do?
Round here, Derby and Nottingham seem to be constantly asking for feedback on proposed cycle infrastructure schemes. They either don't get the right feedback, or don't take any notice.
That hole has probable been filled with a bag of Coldlay and will last a winter at most!
Here's the worst/weirdest near me:
Coming up towards the lights, the cycle path (which starts here) goes up onto the pavement...
...and then ends abruptly at the lights.
I have no idea what they were thinking/smoking when they came up with this one. The left lane here is left turn only, right lane for going straight on.
So.
If you want to turn left, merge back onto the road just before the corner. Might as well have just stayed on the road to avoid merging back into the traffic.
If you want to go straight on, you're screwed. Wait for the lights to turn red and then shuffle across the cycle zone into the other lane? Dodge across the left lane and go straight, praying not to get left hooked?
It's stupid, confusing and utterly, utterly pointless. I ignore it entirely and get in lane like the cars... works out better for everyone.
I’d complain about that patch, as its going to present an ongoing hazard to users, and continued liability to the council.
Seems a bit of an ironic complaint on a mountain bike forum!
I’d complain about that patch, as its going to present an ongoing hazard to users, and continued liability to the council.
Seems a bit of an ironic complaint on a mountain bike forum!
Well yeah, right up to the point where your kid hits this piece of ostensibly safe cycling infrastructure at an awkward angle once it's degraded a bit, crashed and smashed their teeth out. On that basis surely anything non gnaar should be in chat? Which forum is this in anyway?
Round here, Derby and Nottingham seem to be constantly asking for feedback on proposed cycle infrastructure schemes. They either don’t get the right feedback, or don’t take any notice.
@morecashthandash - we should compare notes, I'm on the notes derbys border, and get regular consults through the local CTC group.
But yeah, it's mostly crap