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1st jab = next day mild headache for an hour or two, sore arm for two days.
2nd jab = mild headache same afternoon, sore arm for one day, felt tired like I'd done a 100k ride into a headwind but no aching joints just fatigue. Next day went for an actual 45 mile ride into a headwind & felt a bit below my usual energy level. Day after felt ok.
2nd Pfizer one on Wednesday morning. My arm felt better than my first jab, but it wasn't exactly an issue first time out. Just a little tenderness on moving it. I did have a bit of a runny nose Thursday evening, but that's it. As a few folk have said, they'd rather have a bit of a side effect from the vaccine than get Covid. I've seen first hand where that can end. An ICU full of sedated, ventilated people is not a pleasant experience.
Had my first az jab 4 weeks ago. Whole arm has gone into spasm and across my shoulder and into my neck. 4 unpaid weeks off work so far and no return date yet. A lady I work with had also been off for 3 weeks after getting eye problems.
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects,
I would not surmise from this thread a blanket assumption such as that, for sure I had bad side effects from the AZ vaccine but you could realistically describe my situation as being exacerbated by my underlying spms, likewise for my mothers friend who had a very severe reaction to the AZ vaccine (her husband had no ill-effects), she's the only one in Scotland (according to consultants) who has suffered an extreme immune response and is still receiving hospital treatment/bloods/plasma/vit k/immunoglobulin every couple days - they don't know why she suffered such a response and are unsure if they'll ever discover exactly why.
My 68yr old mum had no issues apart from the fact she only managed a 10 mile walk that day, not her usual 15mile+, likewise my younger brother (fire service - one dose) or his gf (care home worker - received both doses) - the worst they felt was a bit off for a day then back to normal - I expect this response will be the norm for the vast majority of recipients out there so my take away from the many millions of AZ vaccines handed out is to take it and accept the fact you may feel a bit ropey for a day or two but any ill-effects from the vaccine pale into insignificance when compared to the damage that contracting covid can do, whether that be short term or long covid.
TLDR : take the vaccine.
Had my 1st AZ yesterday. Woke up about 230am and couldn't get back to sleep...it feels like I've done a full day kickboxing my body aches so much.
Mind you, I'd rather feel shit for a couple of days then catch the virus.
chrispo – can you highlight what you mean by propaganda by the Government? As far as I can see, numerous independent bodies in different countries have come to similar conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of AZ and other vaccines.
The recent blood clot scare is a good example. Our government just says "it's safe, safe, safe, it's British and it's amazing and it's safe, shut up and take it". I'm not sure that's the best communication strategy given the way they **** most things up, admit no blame ever, and lie and mislead about pretty much everything else. A policy of honesty and balance and humility and openness might inspire more confidence among those who distrust the official line.
People are supposed to trust them on the vaccine's safety, yet anecdotal evidence suggests a higher frequency of side effects than claimed (e.g. flu symptoms are supposed to be seen in fewer than one in ten people).
As I said earlier, I had no side effects myself. Which means I had the vaccine. Which makes me an unlikely conspiracist/antivaxxer, whatever the dominant clique on here like to argue whenever anybody questions anything they believe.
The recent blood clot scare is a good example.
That looked like EU nations politicking to gain an advantage from AZ. It would have carried more weight if scientific types had pronounced the vaccine was causing problems. When those leading the chorus are are those well known epidemiologists like Emmanuel Macron it's not a scientific dispute.
Chrispo;
Sorry if I was harsh before. But you are IMHO close on just trolling now; if you aren't apologies. Let me try and refute one more time.
I'm no Government supporter, but again, no they didn't say 'shut up and take it' and persisting with this is extremely vexatious against people of the integrity of Whitty, Vallance, JVT, etc.
It's there in plain sight. Acceptance of and a rational discussion of. Of course if you think they are propagandists and conspiracies abound then you'll dismiss it. I can't help you with that and I'm almost out of patience trying.
As for the 'flu symptoms in fewer than 1/10'. Also there in plain sight. The 1/10, 1/100 are ways of standardising the info. Very common means more than 1/10. The types of mild side effects seen and reported in this thread were expected at the sorts of levels seen, and typical of antiviral vaccines in general.
A policy of honesty and balance and humility and openness might inspire more confidence among those who distrust the official line.
I don't have much - or any time - for this despicable government, but as far as the vaccines go, you're not being asked to trust the government, you're being asked to trust the vaccine trials and the scientists and researchers behind them. You're also being asked to trust the thoroughness of the regulatory system and its priorities.
Do you really believe that those people and studies have deliberately and cynically understated the side-effects because the government told them to do so?
I can't argue that this government isn't terrible in multiple ways, but I find it hard to believe that they've managed to fake the vaccine trial results to cover up side effects.
and as comparison, here's the patient leaflet for this years flu vaccine. Side effects / prevalence, pretty much the same.
That looked like EU nations politicking to gain an advantage from AZ. It would have carried more weight if scientific types had pronounced the vaccine was causing problems. When those leading the chorus are are those well known epidemiologists like Emmanuel Macron it’s not a scientific dispute.
That’s a bit like taking the vaccine because it’s been pronounced safe by the well-known epidemiologist Boris Johnson 😂
Plenty of respected scientific institutions in non-EU countries have had their misgivings. Are Norway’s top scientists conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers? Still on hold there, and they’ve just gone into another lockdown.
I understand the government’s rationale for putting out an unambiguous message if they think the population is thick as shit, but not otherwise.
I reserve the right to take the assurances of both politicians and government scientists with a pinch of salt.
WhyTF did you have the damn vaccine if you have all these issues around it?
Please don't feed the troll.
Had my 1st on Wednesday, arm was a bit sore next day, like I'd had a dead arm the day before, I would say I felt like I had 1% of the feeling of an inbound cold on Thursday, totes back to normal on Friday.
My brother (who reported flu-like symptoms after his) hypothosised that I had a milder reaction because I've had it? Who knows.
Well one week after the Ox/AZ vaccine. Had nothing for four days - barely even a sore arm. Then fever, headache and chills. Dies down but back again with a vengeance after six days. Another 12-hour plus headache and fatigue. On the mend now.
It’s my day job to input into those patient information and prescribing data sheets. Ive spent two weeks doing it for our COVID antibody which we filed with the FDA for emergency use on Friday. I trust the process and accept the limitations of the trials to find extremely rare events. This really is warp speed. But the diligence is unchanged from any other medicine I have worked on.
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects
Not me. 53, first AZ jab a week ago. No side effects. My sister, 51, couple of days before me. No side effects. Just for balance, like.
AZ jab last Monday - absolutely fine, no issues!
The fever / chills went as quickly as they came on. Still don't feel 100% though and it's reflected on the bike.
Not done anything today owing to a series of really unpleasant stomach cramps, but I'm inclined to put that down to the fish I ate yesterday that was two days out of date.
AZ last monday, nothing at all. a mate i was riding with sunday had had it the day before, he was the same.
Plenty of respected scientific institutions in non-EU countries have had their misgivings. Are Norway’s top scientists conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers? Still on hold there, and they’ve just gone into another lockdown.
So one country's scientists had a problem then Trolly Mctroll-face. Just maybe they were mistaken. In 20 million vaccine doses in this country alone we have no sight nor data on vaccine reactions. Give it up man, there's nothing there and no amount of flat-earth anti-vax tosh will make it so.
As I said earlier, I had no side effects myself. Which means I had the vaccine.
So why are you trying to dissuade others with you faux-scientific conspiracy theory posturing?
Three out of four of our household have had it - the one that hasn't isn't 18 til November.
Lady of the house had it first back in Feb - only 49 but working in a school and volunteered to do the LFTesting so jabbed on that basis. Sore arm for a couple of days but nothing else.
Son 1 was next - 18 but SEN (cerebral palsy) so tacked on to the over 60's in early Mar - sick as a pike, literally shivering/burning up and actually puking three times, between 7pm and 3am after a dose at 12.30pm. Woke up absolutely fine next day and nothing thereafter.
Me - 50ish, had it a week yesterday, not even a sore arm.
Edit to say we were all AZ
Another side effect in our household is that we have a pizza party after everyone's jab.
Three down, one to go!
Nothing apart from it feels that I’ve been punched in the arm. (AZ)
Had the AZ yest morning, nothing apart from ‘punched arm’ feeling this am. Same for partner, we both took paracetamol before & after as some people are recommending.
48hrs in, AZ #1. Able to ride yesterday but stayed flat. Feel tired in a strange way and this morning like I have the wimpiest of colds. Not too bad at all, but I know my immune system is hard at work.
Me, 48 hours later, I feel the same as above. Effects seem to be subsiding. I suppose if I had no reaction I'd wonder if my immune system was at work at all.
AZ yesterday morning - been through the mill overnight. I was slightly apprehensive about the jab having just had a brute of a long covid symptom cycle the previous weekend. Had a negative test result at the time and the Drs this week the view was you'll be fine with a jab.
Arm just felt normal after.
Kicked off with a bit out of sorts around 16:00 (7hrs after jab), a very solid impersonation of bad flu body aches by 21:00. Heavy bout of the shakes overnight - around four hours - found laying in the recovery position and trying to be as relaxed as possible kept them at bay. Pretty challenging to be able to get up and walk to the loo never mind pxxx straight. Bit of an elevated temperature for a few hours. Av resting HR was up around 25bpm over night and peaked at 140bpm walking slowly upstairs. Chest / heart feels like it did after long covid symptom cycle number 2. Garmin watch thinks I have been under medium / high stress most of the night. It's only just dropping to low now. Thinking I'll need to back off the exercise for a few days and ease into it. On the upside the vaccine didn't come with the low mood that seems to arrive with my long covid bouts. Right now I just feel achey and pretty much as I would if I hadn't had much sleep.
AZ on Friday. Felt great all day and then basically had what felt like flu for 1h at 5am on Saturday morning. Literally fell out of bed, lay on floor shaking and could barely crawl back into bed. Had hot/cold flushes for 30 mins or so and then fell asleep. Woke up on Saturday morning feeling a little bit jaded so didn't ride bike or turbo yesterday. I feel pretty good this morning - a little bit of a sore arm perhaps.
For balance my wife was absolutely fine - barely even a sore arm 😄
AZ on Friday morning for me. Slightly sore arm when you touch it but other than that absolutely nothing. Is disappoint in a way, but, nah, not really. 🙂 Feel quite fortunate.
So I turned 50 this week and had my AZ first dose Friday lunch time. Felt fine until bed time when I started to feel very mildly feverish. So mild it was almost pleasant in a funny sort of way. Had a typical broken nights sleep you’d expect from that. Took some paracetamol in morning and felt ok. Went for a very gentle ride where I noticed mild joint pain in knees and elbows. Plus some discomfort in the family jewels. I have had this before one time when I’ve had flu. Plus the sort of vacant brain fog I get the next day after a 6 pint session. Pretty tired in the afternoon and had to resort to a snooze with with 2 hot water bottles and a blanket. Unsurprisingly woke up pretty hot but at least got rid of the chill. More paracetamol and went to bed feeling okish. Woke up this morning with sore arm but generally feeling fine. Better than fine. Energised even. So all in all very mild time limited flu like symptoms. Very reassuring that my immune system is doing something so happy with that.
Had my first AZ jab at 9am yesterday. Spent the rest of the day digging out and replacing four concrete fence posts and panels. Fine all day until just before bed at around midnight when suddenly felt quite shivery and had a headache. Didn't take any paracetamol because have you seen the side-effects?! Slept fine. Woke up a bit achey but that's more likely due to the fencing. All things considered I think I'd have preferred the Pfizer or Moderna vaccs but at least it's a step in the right direction if we do need vaccine passports to travel etc.
AZ here, it's like the worst bee sting imaginable, continuous and unrelenting pain.
AZ this afternoon absolutely fine
now running a temp of 38.5
Pfizer 2nd dose this afternoon. Actually not looking forward to it. Colleagues who have already had it have noted feeling worse than after first
I had my second Pfizer on Saturday felt great yesterday, today I feel like I’ve fallen down the stairs.
really thirsty this morning other than that, I'm fine
AZ Sunday morning. Okay for about 6 hours, then it started to hit me. Running hot and cold at the same time, headache, aching joints and sensitivity to light.
Restless night and pretty much the same this morning. A lot like when I actually had covid in November.
I've got my first due on this Saturday, so im not really paying close attention to this thread 😆
Sister had hers as she's a carer for mum, and reported the only side effect of a sore arm in that area for 2 days, the kind of sore you get after walking into a door. You notice it when you move but otherwise not. Some of her friends have reported as feeling a bit 'flu'y' for a couple of days and the same, a bit sore in that area.
Come what may, i'd rather have it than not.
My wife and some of her co workers had their second Pfizer jabs and they ended up with a lump under the armpit - she had no reaction to the first jab. I had my first AZ one and apart from a slightly sore arm - can still feel it after almost a week - nothing else
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Had my 1st AZ yesterday. Woke up about 230am and couldn’t get back to sleep…it feels like I’ve done a full day kickboxing my body aches so much.Posted 1 day ago
Exactly sums up how I'm feeling now after my AS jab on Saturday night.
^^^
So this was posted without comment...
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... which is not usual best forum etiquette. But then I'm about to comment without having looked at it so, usual forum practice, no high ground claimed. I'm going to guess it contains something about correlation and causation? Possibly also attribution errors? You read a thread like this and it looks like 90% are having unpleasant reactions, but given all the people not posting it could be 10% or less, we don't know?
Not sure where I stand tbh, I can see this thread might make some folks more nervous (it made me think ah bollocks about my first and think timing is not ideal having a surf trip planned for the day after my second at the start of June) and so this thread might be doing more harm than good.
OTOH, it does reflect what I pick up from other anecdotal sources, and makes me think aha about the v mild semi start of a cold thing I had a few days ago for about a day (thinking errors outlined above apply). Almost pleasant as someone else said. Ah, colds, I remember them...
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
The fact that I had absolutely no reaction was a bonus!
Well that was short lived feel fine now. 😀
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
You get run over by a bus on your way to the vaccination centre.
@Zippy. sounds like you are almost disappointed 😆
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
You get run over by a bus on your way to the vaccination centre.
nah. On the way back. And it has to reverse a couple of times to finish the job
nah. On the way back. And it has to reverse a couple of times to finish the job
That’s the problem with experimental vaccines you have no idea what to expect.
after a pretty miserable nights "sleep" feeling a bit more normal, just a dull headache and the arm is a more general throb now.
So this was posted without comment https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/five-simple-ways-to-sharpen-your-critical-thinking/p0929tns
… which is not usual best forum etiquette. But then I’m about to comment without having looked at it so, usual forum practice, no high ground claimed. I’m going to guess it contains something about correlation and causation? Possibly also attribution errors?
Lol, no, it’s mostly about being open-minded and respectful of other people’s views. I assume it was posted ironically.
No side effects for me, just a bit of worry caused by people talking about side effects. OH said she felt a bit knocked out for a day, but that could have been a hangover.
I posted it. I didn't think it needed comment given the title is pretty explicit.
And no, it wasn't ironic. I have been respectful and mindful of other's views, yours included. Of those 5 I'm aware that STW can be guilty at time of most of them.
Only a week ago, I was very unsure about going for the vax on the basis of some of the reports. I asked for and reviewed a lot of different sources and came to a conclusion, aware of confirmation bias, relevance of sources, etc. I'm still open to being convinced that your proposition, that this vaccine is untested / unsafe and that it is some kind of propaganda led initiative (for what benefit, I'm not sure?) but despite several requests you have not brought your evidence and your actions go against your pronounced opinions.
Which leaves me with the possibility that you are just here for the argument, and there's a term for that too.
(there's also a certain subtlety / style to your language including choice of certain words that is very reminiscent of another (ex) poster on here who was reknowned for being - shall we say - of contrary views for the purposes of starting an argument. Now, they didn't have exclusivity over these words and language so it's not 'definitive' but I'm suspicious. If you are genuine, again I apologise)
Had first AZ jab Sat PM. Was very busy Saturday spent all day jetwashing / oiling the decking. I *may* have had a few beers after jab Sat PM.
Woke up Sat PM feeling very tired / heavy legs. Put it down to busy day, clock change etc. Took dog out for long walk felt pretty wiped out by lunchtime when I got back.
In the afternoon had pretty full on flu-like symptoms, felt cold, tired, achey. Just wanted to put my feet up on sofa and have a snooze. By the evening the flu symptoms had passed but still felt quite tired / weak.
Good night's sleep feel OK today apart from an ache around where I got stabbed in the arm...
Had mine yesterday, felt ok yesterday afternoon, usual Sunday routine, bed by 8 as I work at 4am.
Woke up at 1am shivering felt very cold, winter duvet on the bed still so shouldn’t of been cold, went to move and ache all over. Napped till 4am called work to say I won’t be in, napped till 7am now got hot flushes...felt like a migraine light sensitive and heavy headache. Went back to sleep, got up at 10am still feeling pretty crap, hope this passes..
I’m not aware that I’ve had covid in the last year, been told the side effects are due to me already having an immune response. Hope the second shot isn’t as bad in a few weeks.
I’m still open to being convinced that your proposition, that this vaccine is untested / unsafe and that it is some kind of propaganda led initiative (for what benefit, I’m not sure?) but despite several requests you have not brought your evidence and your actions go against your pronounced opinions.
But I haven’t pronounced any such opinions. I’m just saying that it’s no wonder some people won’t have the vaccine when the propaganda machine is so black and white and refuses to acknowledge the existence of grey. The prevalence of side-effects, however minor, seems higher than advertised. The fact that blood clots are a concern for scientific experts in some countries but dismissed out of hand in others doesn’t help the cause either. None of this will reassure anyone.
The prevalence of side-effects, however minor, seems higher than advertised.
No they aren't. They are exactly in line with the >1 in 10 expectations that were in the patient leaflet, and that you see in a typical antiviral vaccine (eg: flu)
The fact that blood clots are a concern for scientific experts in some countries but dismissed out of hand in others doesn’t help the cause either. None of this will reassure anyone.
They are not being dismissed out of hand. They have been looked at and reviewed by multiple agencies who have no chip in the game other than ensuring there is sufficient safety and benefit balance. Some countries suspended the vaccine while reviewing and then have restarted. One that I know of is still evaluating, maybe you can tell us others.
But I said all this yesterday and provided links and you did not comment.
Then you 'accused' me of being ironic for posting the how to sharpen your critical thinking link. What was point 3 in that, I wonder?
But I said all this yesterday and provided links and you did not comment.
Then you ‘accused’ me of being ironic for posting the how to sharpen your critical thinking link. What was point 3 in that, I wonder?
I’m sorry. If I addressed everything everyone says it’d take over the thread. It was only an off-the-cuff remark in the first place.
But thank you for your links, which both support what I said in the first place 😉
If you want to lead by example on intellectual empathy, how about you address what I actually said rather than that poor straw man?
We're well into 2nd doses here now (GP surgery) and we've all pretty much had the Pfizer jab, so far it's evenly split 50/50 between those folks who've no symptoms to those who've reported mild flu symptoms (and two that were ill enough to call in sick the following day) There's no age or sex prevalence either way.
Well, 14 year old daughter had her normal jabs at school today, one in each arm, and BOTH arms are really sore apparently.
Makes you think....
So are you going to comment on the links or the points made then? How do they support what you said?
To your points. Yes, there are shades of grey and nuances but in my opinion, the safety and efficacy of the vaccine (particularly when weighed against the alternative of not getting the vaccine) are completely separable, we're not talking close shades here. I understand that some people need convincing, but the fears or suspicions they have are in my opinion totally misguided, and those that stoke them on here and on social media I have sadly run out of patience for.
The potential that this is some amazing deep state conspiracy is I supposed always a possibility, in which case hats off, I'm totally fooled. If I'm proven wrong in future the one thing I am not shy of doing is saying so.
I don't understand your strawman comment, at least not by my understanding of what a straw man is? Can you be more explicit?
I’m just saying that it’s no wonder some people won’t have the vaccine when the propaganda machine is so black and white and refuses to acknowledge the existence of grey.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. There's any number of places online The NHS for example that will give as much information as anyone would need to make a reasoned decision about any vaccine, and help folk weigh up the benefits and risks. Here's another site that talks about side effects and we're (our GP practice) running podcasts with BAME groups, local outreach groups, zoom meetings with Imams and local clergy and everything is out in the open.
There's sufficient people out there saying that not only do the benefits outweigh the risk, here's all the information to support that statement. Fo'shure the Govt are encouraging folk to take the vaccine, but it's miles away from propaganda
Me and Mrs g-d were about the same - proper case of shivers, some aching, headache, touch of sore arm.
One of our friends full blown vomiting / dizziness.
A few hours of feeling pants or even a week of it vs. a moderately bad outcome from Covid I'll take feeling pants any day of the week.
Started typing this this morning, tried to work, did a couple of video calls and fell asleep for three hours. Head still whamming now. Given up on work for the day just going to rest and hopefully fit tomorrow.
Mrs gd either got off lighter or is much tougher than me. Probably the latter.
So are you going to comment on the links or the points made then? How do they support what you said?
OK, then. Because one has the headline "vaccine is safe, go get it" and the other says "flu symptoms in fewer than one in ten". Even if we classify the flu-like side-effects reported in this thread as milder than flu, and so as affecting "more than one in ten", that's a rather misleading statistic in my book if in reality it's a whole lot more than one in ten, which is the impression I get looking around me.
Straw men: "vaccine is untested / unsafe", "worthless, conspiracy theory bollocks"
I’m sorry, but that’s just not true
What your practice is doing sounds great, well done. But why does the NHS site you linked to have to say "some people may" rather than "most people will" have side-effects?
So that's my point. Better, more honest communication at headline level might be more convincing, whatever it may say in the small print. It's being dumbed down too much.
But why does the NHS site you linked to have to say “some people may” rather than “most people will” have side-effects?
Because as I said it's was 50/50 at our practice for staff (which isn't 'most' people), which is what we're getting from our patients as well. As others have said, this thread isn't representative, (it's asking for positives)
I think if you are due to be vaccinated a pre op of paracetamol and electrolyte drink like high 5 zero might be well worth it
No one likes a debilitating headache that wont shift
And whats with the no driving for 15 minutes afters?
Because one has the headline “vaccine is safe, go get it”
No, it doesn't. It says the medicines regulator has confirmed that people should continue to get the vaccine. Not the Gov, they do not decide these matters, the MHRA is independant. It does not say the vaccine is safe - it says the benefits outweigh the risks and:
"The MHRA’s advice remains that the benefits of the vaccines against COVID-19 continue to outweigh any risks and that the public should continue to get their vaccine when invited to do so"
and the other says “flu symptoms in fewer than one in ten”
You are correct in that, I would submit that the majority of the symptoms that are being reported here (in a self-selecting group answering a question about what side effects we had) are not flu like. Flu is a very debilitating condition. This is actually what the leaflet says:
Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
- tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
- generally feeling unwell
- feeling tired (fatigue)
- chills or feeling feverish
- headache
- feeling sick (nausea)
- joint pain or muscle ache
and we're now splitting hairs over whether these are mild or not, or mild flu-like or not. They are very consistent with what I had for certain. And they lasted a day, unlike flu that lasts weeks.
Strawmen:
"Vaccine is untested / unsafe
I'll quote your own words back at you:
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects, which certainly doesn’t tally with the official line. Nor is it something you see with normal vaccines that haven’t been rushed out.
What are you then suggesting if it's not that it hasn't been tested and / or is unsafe. What point are you making, with your words?
and:
"Conspiracy theory bollocks
I question the government propaganda
Propaganda definition: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view
Apart from the fact it isn't Gov information, what is your point? Is it biased, or misleading, and if so how? Advice that is backed up by overwhelming scientific evidence that is freely available for scrutiny and debate is only 'biased' by virtue of it being overwhelmingly likely to be correct. Is it misleading, if so how?
If you insist this is propaganda (and you've used that specific word several times now) then I'm calling it again, that you are impuning the integrity of all the (independant) scientists whose information and research is being reviewed and reported.
Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
generally feeling unwell
feeling tired (fatigue)
chills or feeling feverish
headache
feeling sick (nausea)
joint pain or muscle ache
and we’re now splitting hairs over whether these are mild or not, or mild flu-like or not. They are very consistent with what I had for certain. And they lasted a day, unlike flu that lasts weeks.
That's me to a tee and Mrs gd.
It's really not as severe as flu by any stretch of the imagination and in our case - we are emphatically in the "very common" symptoms. It's genuinely inconvenient and uncomfortable and in my case enough to make concentration on a mentally demanding job near enough impossible and I've been under the duvet most of the day.
Most of my team who've had it have had various levels of the above. All of them have effectively said "so what, better than Covid".
My pretty fit 40 something brother in law spent 3.5 weeks on a ventilator, they nearly lost him at least once during that and it's taken him months to get any semblance of fitness back. Two kids under 10 who came frighteningly close to losing their dad. Others haven't fared so well. I'll cheerfully be a GPS tracked lizard slave (not that I believe such twaddle) / put up with a few days of crappiness before I risk my kids losing their dad like that unnecessarily.
So 42 year old bloke here. Had Covid in early November, confirmed by test.
Got the AZ jab on Sunday morning at 8:30am. Felt fine in the day, layed some tiles in the front porch. Sat watching top gear and felt a bit rough so went to bed about 9:30pm
Properly rough nights "sleep". Temperature up and down and really odd vivid dreams. Felt rough when I woke up but popped some paracetamol and felt a lot better. I still worked, from home, but definitely wasn't as productive as normal and felt really lethargic. Arm aches slightly but no more than if someone had punched it.
Later went out for a walk with the family in the Peak District for an hour or so in the sun which was great followed by a chippy dinner.
Hoping that I'll get a better night's sleep tonight.
Overall I'd say the side effects I experienced were similar to my Covid symptoms, but watered down massively.
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OK, let's just agree to disagree.
On the 'most vs. some' point, I had a strong reaction to the jab, as I said right back near the beginning of the thread. But Mrs Owg didn't, not did my mother (84), my 2 sisters, my riding buddy, my niece... So >1 in 10 is looking pretty good in my anecdotal sample.
And whats with the no driving for 15 minutes afters?
A very rare but immediate complication is hypersensitivity or anaphylaxis. You don’t want to be driving home when your blood pressure tanks.
Walked five miles yesterday and felt vastly different to the day before. Fatigue levels have dropped significantly. And it is sunny.
I had mine about 8 weeks ago (Pfizer I believe - didn't really pay much attention to the pre-jab chat), and had zero side effects. Most of my colleagues had same dose, around the same time, with similar lack of/ minimal side effects. Wife had hers yesterday (AZ), and has a bit of a sore arm this morning. Both first dose. By comparison, family friend had Covid19, and eventually died in hospital, after weeks on a ventilator, with no one but an overworked ICU nurse for company.
Had the AZ jab yesterday. Bit of a headache today and a sort of head cold feeling but nothing serious. I've felt worse after a hard day on the bike.
I don't really care if the side effects impact on 10% or 100% of people. It is still better than getting COVID.
I wonder if people debated the small pox vaccine in the same way?
I have had a lot of different vaccines over the years.
Yellow fever, Flu, Hep A & B, cholera, typhoid etc.
I got a few in one day and felt like shit for about 3 days.
Side effects from vaccines are totally normal.
Pfizer last Tuesday (23rd). First 48 hrs nothing but a sore arm. Then 10pm came on Thursday and wham - ears started to ring badly (tinnitus)...constant high pitched ringing that you cannot escape from. Last few days I have had to put white noise on to sleep. I have had tinnitus before about 6 years ago (medication induced) that totally dissapeared within a couple of months of stopping the medication I was taking.
Not sure if this is a similar thing going on.. Maybe inflamation.. Maybe hyperactive immune system who knows.
Reported through yellow card scheme on Saturday.
Just got off the phone to my GP who basically said (understandably) that not much can be done and to give it a few weeks and report back.
Nothing on the side effect guidance mentioned tinnitus but looking at the yellow card reports seems to be a few people reporting it (and a number of Facebook groups set up for people having similar issues as me). Not just Pfizer either seems to be reports from all over spanning all vaccines.
I just hope the ringing stops soon 🙁 got some good things to try from the British tinnitus association but if you have ever had tinnitus in the past this side effect is something that you should know about
Would I have had the vaccine anyway? .. Hmmmmm yeah probably (assuming it gets no worse / recovers). Am I having second thoughts about the second shot?... Yes absolutely. Right now the sound in my ears is driving me proper nuts!
I had the AZ vaccine Sunday afternoon. Had a slightly sore arm, felt fine so went for an 8 mile run, no problems. Monday I felt tired and a bit run-down, ran 5 miles, felt Ok. Felt normal today, ran 9 miles first thing. Sensitivity in arm almost disappeared.
I'm working for a woman today, she's hobbling around with a walking stick.
She was fit and well last time I saw her about two months ago, so I asked if she was getting bother with her leg. She's mid sixties, rides horses and is generally 'ourdoorsy'.
Turns out she has severe vertigo after her first Pfizer jab five weeks ago. This in turn led to her taking a fall and dislocating her shoulder.
She's not keen on the second dose...
I suppose this makes her a raving antivax loony by the standards of the current STW Covid echo chamber 🙄
It's a reported side effect of the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine, so unremarkable in that respect but the fact she has persistant symptoms and had a fall is of course sad.
Whether that is sufficient to suggest she might be better having an alternative vaccine next time, or opt to not have it and live with the reduced protection would be better discussed with her GP, I think.
I can understand a reluctance.
She’s not keen on the second dose…
I suppose this makes her a raving antivax loony by the standards of the current STW Covid echo chamber
You've either not read and understood the thread or you're trolling. Plenty of reasons people are reluctant to have the jab, and some people on medical advice, probably shouldn't. No one on here has actually suggested every single person should have the jab.
She's been unlucky with the reaction and the fall, and I totally get that she should be getting proper advice over the second dose.
Proper qualified advice. Not knee jerk sympathetic reaction or internet quackery.