Don't know if this has been done yet but apparently this is under discussion again with a sizeable chunk of the population in favour.
Personally I would say no. Violence is no way to treat small children.
what about big children?
who would they get to deliver the punishments? a hooded anonymous man with big shoulders and no emotions?
with a sizeable chunk of the population in favour
who? I don't believe this.
it'll never happen.
they don't do it with adults, why do it to children?
I'm in favour of corporal punishment for politicians who break the rules. Preferably, served in public too.
can I use my 'all kids love getting caned these days' gag on two different threads on the same day..?
No.
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Was a bunch of Libral ****ts that got that banned from schools in the 80's and look where we are now.
Could I have a link please?
what's the context- schools, home, parents, teachers, banning, allowing?
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/sep/16/survey-reveals-support-for-caning-pupils ]From the Guardian[/url]
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8766021/Bring-back-the-cane-to-improve-pupil-discipline-say-parents.html ]and for balance, The Telegraph[/url]
between consenting adults, cool, enjoy 8)
not to control kids though, once you have to resort to violence, you've lost whatever it was you were arguing about. I think my dad raised his voice to me ONCE, it was enough.
Was a bunch of Libral ****ts that got that banned from schools in the 80's and look where we are now.
Yes, really. You mean you think the banning of caning directly led to people being susceptible to logical fallacies?
Yes, really. You mean you think the banning of caning directly led to people being susceptible to logical fallacies?
He's probably read it in the Mail. Something starting: "Research has shown..."
Depends on the context and what you consider corporal punishment.
As a first [and then logically last] line of discipline then no.
At a point reached after other techniques have failed, then yes.
There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a child.
Anybody who shops in an out of town superstore cannot support caning.
There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a child
Really? Where is that line?
they don't do it with adults, why do it to children?
Really? You should tell the baton wielding gun toting Police that!
There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a childReally? Where is that line?
This is one problem of course. Some of the population are unable to tell.
Some of the population are unable to tell
and some kids have figured out that they are 'untouchable' and act as such - so is it best to expel them from education/society or use corporal punishment?
Indeed.Really? You should tell the baton wielding gun toting Police that!
and some kids have figured out that they are 'untouchable' and act as such - so is it best to expel them from education/society or use corporal punishment?
I'm suspicious of this as just ignorant rhetoric, do you have any concrete examples?
The problems with children & youths in our society are largely attributable to the rise of the single parent family, headed by a female unable to dish out discipline (even of the non-violent variety), and the fact that we seem to actively encourage single parent families.
Look at the under-performing kids in any school class...the majority are single parents kids.
Look at children involved in crime...ditto.
Look at maladjusted children...ditto.
Now, obviously we need to support single parent families in any way we can...but we shouldn't be encouraging them or pretended that it is an entirely-acceptable way to bring up children.
there's tons of examples of kids/people acting as if they are untouchable in society.
The problems with children & youths in our society are largely attributable to the rise of the single parent family, headed by a female unable to dish out discipline (even of the non-violent variety), and the fact that we seem to actively encourage single parent families.Look at the under-performing kids in any school class...the majority are single parents kids.
Look at children involved in crime...ditto.
Look at maladjusted children...ditto.
Now, obviously we need to support single parent families in any way we can...but we shouldn't be encouraging them or pretended that it is an entirely-acceptable way to bring up children
I do not think this is true, can you back it up?
I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car. Nobody works with their neighbours or shops from their neighbours anymore, people live huddled together on estates but do not interact with each other. It's made even worse by "choice" of where to send your kids to school. My nephew has boys the same age living either side of him and all three of them go to different state schools. Ban out of town shopping centres, ban commuting, bring back high streets and local supply, make people know each other. Then there will be awesome peer pressure on everyone to behave and look after each other.
there's tons of examples of kids/people acting as if they are untouchable in society.
Show me one then? It sounds like Daily Mail bollocks to me.
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/11/blackpool-school-introduces-cooler-cells-for-unruly-kids-picture-115875-23052601/ ]Cooler cells for unruly kids[/url]
won't last long though - they must be an infringement on their human rights...
This isn't an example of kids/people acting as though they are untouchable is it?
Amazing how many on here think they know about children and discipline.
Looking at some of the comments, not sure if some of you are barely out of nappies.
Other than having 3 kids, and being a teacher in secondary and having a wife who is in teaching what do I know?
Yes get rid of the belt, but no one came up with an alternative that works.
Back in the 80's you would be unlucky to use the belt more 3 times a year.
[url= http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=395422 ]unruly kids[/url]
teachers with nothing to resort to - and the kids know it
my mother worked in a school for maladjusted girls - the type of school where the kids half-inch cutlery knives at dinner time if they got a chance, and when the girls were about to leave school a significant proportion would get pregnant so they could enroll on societies gravy train.
sister, her ex, and my cousin are all teachers
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I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car. Nobody works with their neighbours or shops from their neighbours anymore, people live huddled together on estates but do not interact with each other. It's made even worse by "choice" of where to send your kids to school. My nephew has boys the same age living either side of him and all three of them go to different state schools. Ban out of town shopping centres, ban commuting, bring back high streets and local supply, make people know each other. Then there will be awesome peer pressure on everyone to behave and look after each other.
To an extent I agree, but I would have thought car use is pretty low in inner cities where these problems are rife.
car use is pretty low in inner cities where these problems are rife.
Indeed and a big part of the problem here is that decent jobs, decent schools and decent shopping is only accessible by car, so you have concentrations of unemployment, poor education and poor nutrition which leads to poor outcomes.
id of loved it if my old food tec teacher spanked me... 🙂
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/busy-parents-ask-schools-to-beat-their-children-201109164313/ ]OH yes, finally some common sense.[/url]
lowey, that is too close to the truth it isn't funny.
Really? Where is that line?This is one problem of course. Some of the population are unable to tell.
So, do tell me, or do i have to list a load of physical actions and then you tell me which has crossed the line?
Much easier, if you tell me 2 very similar punishments, on each side of the line. Can you do that?
What country has the lowest crime and how do they differ from us?
With the amount of stonings, beheadings and hand cutting off that go on in the world maybe these things aren't a deterrent but a cheap punishment. Got to say cane teenage idiots but no stoning of raped women.
if you tell me 2 very similar punishments, on each side of the line. Can you do that
this side - canning on the buttocks - no harm done.
that side - anything else
try that for starters.
I do not think this is true, can you back it up?
My mother worked in a school, my partner 'works with children', her father was a Policeman. I've seen proof that convinces me 100%. There is an absolute cast iron correlation between low educational standards, crime and single parent families. Does that mean there are no super intelligent law abiding educated children of single parent families? Of course not! I'm sure there are many very successful dingle parent families.
I'm fairly certain that proof is also in the public domain, but as being PC is more important that facts who knows?
I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car.
Interesting point, and your certainly spot on about lack of community, but change 'car' for 'TV' and I think you've got a point.
Why? Because 'back in day' people were out on the streets more, or socialising more outside of there family, because they didn't have the option of vegetating in front of the box. The streets were alive with people, and therefore youths couldn't roam the streets with impunity.
I'll add TV, dunno about substitute, but the TV thing is a good point, along with internerd and gaming.
Your first bit is just bollocks though, it's hearsay I'll bet you havent got any numbers. Even if you have got numbers, statistical correlation does not employ causation. It is a fact that single mums live in places that are too poor to support a local high street, in fact a high street is now a middle class luxury. The two are tied, but one does not necessarily cause the other.
16% of children from single-parent families experience a mental health problem compared with 8% from two-parent families. (Office of National Statistics)
Your first bit is just bollocks though, it's hearsay I'll bet you havent got any numbers. Even if you have got numbers...
16% of children from single-parent families experience a mental health problem compared with 8% from two-parent families. (Office of National Statistics)
Oh, and I'm a single dad, in a relationship with a single mum.
16% of children from single-parent families experience a mental health problem compared with 8% from two-parent families.
So you are correlating mental health with crime? I'll bet a few mental health professionals would like to disagree with you, this was suppposed to be
and anproof that convinces me 100%
.absolute cast iron correlation between low educational standards, crime and single parent families
still sounds like utter bollocks to me, or desparate searching for any kind of tenuous evidence that supports your own prejudice.
Come on prove it, I'm open minded about it, you claim to have seen the proof, share it with us?
Put an hand grenade between there legs and kick the little shites out the window.
Sorry I could't reply to this earlier (I'm only allowed to go on the internet during my one hour out of solitary) but I'm all for it. Never did me any harm.
Back in the 80's you would be unlucky to use the belt more 3 times a year.
Exactly! And all the kids knew that's what they'd receive if they dicked around.
What now ? Ohh, you naughty boy/girl, please don't do that again, PLEAAAASSEE....
Tell you what every and i mean EVERY kid i teach who is a problem or has "issues" come from a broken home.
Thats not to say every kid from a broken home has issues.
But there is not a teach alive who does not recognise the link between behviour and broken home (usually lack of father figure in the home).
Of course hitting children makes them respect authority and always behave themselves. At school in Glasgow in the 70s we had corporal punishment and the whole city was a safe zone full of people giving you flowers and tipping their bunnnets
the whole city was a safe zone full of people giving you flowers and tipping their bunnnets
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