[Closed] Conspiracy theorys......does anyone believe them?

Trouble with that paper is that it's not evidence. It's an explanation, a theory as to what happened. Like any theory, it's backed up with some facts (eg planes, fire, collapse) and some assumptions (heat of the fire, behaviour of the steel and the concrete etc.)

And like a lot of theories, it has its supporters, but also its detractors, who question the validity of the assumptions and offer alternative assumptions, which lead to different conclusions.

The difference with the theories in this case is the arguments have become polarised into the "establishment", "sheeples" on one side and "tin hat wierdos" on the other. There's so much emotion and prejudice surrounding it that it's very difficult to discuss coldly (witness this thread) or to offer any reasoned argument to the other side without it being dismissed due to the source, rather than the content.

"Show me an article that has some persuasive arguments that isn't on a 911 truth site" (where else is it gong to be?)/ "Well they would say that wouldn't they? they're the government."

"huh, youtube"/ "huh, global media corporation"

etc. ad finitum, as per my first post!

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It was my intention to hijack this thread so the forum's conspiracist-in-chief ran away. It seems to have worked too. Either that or he got bored, or banned The latter. He says he "[i]can no longer enjoy the comforting, loving support I normally receive![/i]"

Trouble with that paper is that it's not evidence. It's an explanation, a theory as to what happened

The fact that its a Theory that has been agreed by the authors peers as an acceptable possibility basically means that the "truthers" who always claim that ......

"There is no way those buildings can have fallen like that unless it was controlled demolition"

Are talking crap.

And like a lot of theories, it has its supporters, but also its detractors

Does it have any Detractors that say it couldnt have happened like that ?
(that are from a relevant professional background, and have the required knowledge and access to the relevant information? )

I've not seen any.

Yes there are. Quite a few, one on this thread, apparently.

And obviously, plenty on "truth" sites, because that's where they'd be.

But that makes them inadmissable, because it's only loonies on there and you can't be a proper scientist and a loony, can you? And who are you going to find who agrees with them? Only more bloody loonies!

basically means that the "truthers" who always claim that ......

"There is no way those buildings can have fallen like that unless it was controlled demolition"

Are talking crap.

Can we stop being so absolutist, rude and and sweary? Never helps.

There are people who look at some of the assumptions which underpin the theory and point out areas where they disagree with them.

Can we stop being so absolutist, rude and and sweary? Never helps.

"Crap" is hardly rude and sweary.

This isn't a primary school is it ?

it's not evidence. It's an explanation, a theory

The theory of evolution is not evidence but that does not make it untrue or mean it isnot supported by the evidence

TBH it is hardly surprising there is some debate about what happens when we fly planes into building given how infrequently it happens

I see little reason to argue about the consequences in this case and to cite another cause with limited evidence - ie evidence of the charges, when they were placed, how,who was responsible,why etc

Fine, you're happy with the official explanation, given what you've read/been presented with.

Others aren't. Hardly surprising, given the circumstances, but no need for getting aggro about it, on either side.

I think the problem is , as this thread demonstrates, is that many conspiracists are some way form rational and therefore any conspiracist has a mountain to climb to gain respect]]
Look at the doctor and how long it took him to convince folk that stomach ulcers were an infection- still that is science if you get enough evidence you will convince them. No amount of evidence will get a conspiracist to alter their view IME- look at moon landings denier for example

Hardly surprising, given the circumstances

It is hardly surprising some folk will see a conspiracy in anything but I think there accoung is surprising

i think it is quite surprising tbh.

Isn't it time someone mentioned religion

I don't believe in an interventionist god,
But I know, darling, that you do.

You know me so well sweetheart

Sorry, got a bit over friendly there, ahem

Ahh, quality quote btw. Do like and over sulky self obsessed musician grumbling there way through life with silly floppy hair

(Unless YouTube comments count as some sort of illiterate sweary Peer Review system )

Fine, you're happy with the official explanation, given what you've read/been presented with.

Others aren't. Hardly surprising, given the circumstances, but no need for getting aggro about it, on either side.

Most of the truthers have a tendency to parrot the same 1 or 2 "engineers" so it seems like there's a groundswell of people backing them up (the "look how many people think the same" method of proof) but in reality when you read what they write there is no peer review of the debunking of the more official theories. When you ask one of them to provide something that's got some proper process and credentials attached to it they say that's not their job to prove that their debunking is correct, it's the people who believe that it is incorrect to debunk the debunk. And then when a properly qualified person says that, they usually say he's in the pay of "them".

I've had a few conversations with people who are either out and out truthers or closet ones and they usually all go the same way. The feeling that the "system" is lying to them is so deeply ingrained that they can't accept other possibilities and things that support their concepts are sacred. The same can be said for a lot of people/things of course.

Okay another CT: Utility companies keep the clocks changing

Nearly every home has energy saving light bulbs now 🙂

Okay another CT: Utility companies keep the clocks changing
Nearly every home has energy saving light bulbs now

Eh ?

Have you missed out a few words in there ?

But that makes them inadmissable, because it's only loonies on there and you can't be a proper scientist and a loony, can you?

> Either that or he got bored, or banned

The latter. He says he "can no longer enjoy the comforting, loving support I normally receive!"

Wait, did kaesae get banned?? 😥

It's possible.

He does seem to have disappeared.

Prof Heinz Wolff isn't a looney ? or even particularly strange. Quite the opposite when I met him he seemed very leveled headed, finding practical everyday solutions to help the disabled with their daily lives.

Klunk, you have no idea how disappointing that is. Not the worthwhile work bit, just the image bonkers professor beanz being normal.

Thanks you've ruined my day

The ulcer/virus things is a good point.

The difference between science and conspiracy theories is that science is driven by repeatable experiments. It takes time, money and persistence to show you did the experiment right.

Consider the science of "Cold Fusion" - err not repeatable by various independent teams, you messed-up the experiment so forget it. The conspiracy is, that the oil companies covered-up the "true" result by bribing the all experimenters, that Cold Fusion actually works*

* conspiracy made up on-the-spot by me

Mayan prophecy is on't telly at the mo

Running out of 2012 though, no doubt they'll all switch to the "2012 is just the start camp"

All in the same ball park with conspiracy theories for me

Well, the exciting conspiracies anyway.

Price fixing among major businesses don't count, only interested in proper mental conspiracies

Jehovah's Witnesses all believe in pre ordained conspiracies, then there is a revision after the latest apocalypse fails to materialise, and the process starts again--

http://www.911truth.org/

He's back! The prophet returns. Rejoice his children. Rejoice!

was he risen after 3 days?

all hail the messiah, or is that heil...

Sorry. My fault. I looked in a mirror and said 'Kaesae' 3 times.

what were you doing with your hands whilst saying this and were you dressed?
OH and mail me re a bike for the pootle

OH and mail me re a bike for the pootle

Awww nutz. Sorry JY, I meant to email you. I gone knackered meself at the moment, so can't get to the Pootle this time. Cheers for the offer, although, I think a med might have been a bit on the large side, what with me being a hobbit, an all. If anything does change between now and the weekend, I will give you a shout.

Edit: Oh, and I was bollock naked.

As we speak all over the world there are individuals who are waking up! They are starting to ask questions? but more importantly they are demanding by their own actions to be allowed to make up their minds independently from the fabricated reality the media promotes and societal norms enforce.

You have the right to question everything and to seek answers for yourselves, regardless of how much abuse or ridicule society applies to you for doing so, but the truth will only exist for you, if you choose to claim that right to question.

They are starting to ask questions?

Is that a question or a statement?

My hard tail is a small - 16 " but i guess it depends what we are measuring 😉

Get well soon

You have the right to question everything and to seek answers for yourselves

Excellent, I'll get over to YouTube for some totally unverifiable answers pronto

Oh, and some folk had some questions for you about some frames

My hard tail is a small - 16 " but i guess it depends what we are measuring

Just nursing a couple of injuries that would take the gloss off the whole shebang, which needs to be glossy if I am driving 4hrs there and back to do it.

Oh, and some folk had some questions for you about some frames

HE has answered! For yea, he spaketh thusly.

You have the right to question everything and to seek answers for yourselves, regardless of how much abuse or ridicule society applies to you for doing so, but the truth will only exist for you,

HTH

As we speak all over the world there are individuals who are waking up!

Probably mostly on the East coast of Australia though.

Or they're on night shift

Good point well made.

(Have you got a YouTube video to back it up though, otherwise it's not "evidence" )

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!