grum - Member
BUT ITS THE END OF DAYS ITS THE FALL OF EUROPEAN CIVILISATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE DARK-SKINNED FOREIGNERS BAN THEM!
The interesting thing is that you do not see orientals like Chinese, oversea Chinese (descendants), Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese and oriental related people going awol ape shite looting or assaulting female in a foreign land do you?
Why?
European civilisation is dying because the people are deciding not to reproduce. This forum is indicative of that trend for the most part, as there are plenty of middle-aged childless posters on here.
A civilisation cannot outlive a falling birth rate.
The immigrants aren't to blame for Europe's woes, they are are just exploiting the fact that nature abhors a vacuum.
It's a shame it is happening during our lifetimes, but I say good luck to them, if Europeans won't continue their civilisation, then they don't deserve it in the first place.
European civilisation isn't dying, it's just changing, societies are dynamic, conservatism fails to understand this basic truth of humanity.
The interesting thing is that you do not see orientals like Chinese, oversea Chinese (descendants), Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese and oriental related people going awol ape shite looting or assaulting female in a foreign land do you?
Was this meant to be tongue in cheek ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35188135
European civilisation isn't dying, it's just changing, societies are dynamic, conservatism fails to understand this basic truth of humanity.
The people are dying, by which I mean the populations which have lived in European countries for the past 2000 years plus.
Of course, you can import people from a different continent, but as they have their own culture, that culture will eventually supersede your culture.
The French philosopher Henri Bergson wrote an excellent book which contrasted static societies vs dynamic societies. Bergson pointed out that societies can only become dynamic if they have an underlining continuity in the first place (i.e. they are static). To assert that dynamism (meaning here multiculturalism) is inherent in "human nature" is frankly ridiculous.
To assert that dynamism (meaning here multiculturalism) is inherent in "human nature" is frankly ridiculous.
Are you really that ignorant of your own history ?
There have been huge cultural shifts in our country in your magic 2000 year period; homosexuality was illegal 50 years ago, 100 years ago, we still had workhouses and women couldn't vote, 200 years ago slavery was legal and business was booming, our last witch trial was 1944, she was sent to prison, BTW, 250 years ago we were still burning witches at the stake.
Do you really think that our culture is anything like the peoples who 'owned' this land even 5 or 10 generations ago?
Our cultural and genetic heritage flys in the face of your outdated isolationist view of the world
societoes of europe have always been merging. if this had not happened there would be no english in England. The only factor that has altered is the scale, Its not just near neighbours who come here it's the whole planet. If multiculturalism was not a part of human nature we would be Picts and all humanity would live in in isolated tribes. The pace may have increased as well.
Clearly the roots of identity and tribalism run deep and they are also still a factor but the general trends[ some of the english cling to this identity as if it was not borne from multiculturalism. for example] has been and will be the mixing of the tribes of the planet. It cannot really be undone as we cannot resettle folk. It will have issues and we need to deal with them rather than thing we can reverse it.
I am completely unfamiliar with the person you qoute but it seems strange and contradictory to argue they can only be dynamic if they are static.
Bergson pointed out that societies can only become dynamic if they have an underlining continuity in the first place (i.e. they are static)
kimbers - Member
The interesting thing is that you do not see orientals like Chinese, oversea Chinese (descendants), Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese and oriental related people going awol ape shite looting or assaulting female in a foreign land do you?Was this meant to be tongue in cheek ?
Ok, I should be more specific (I should have known better when posting on STW I should be anal) about the time period so let's assume post WWII ... we don't see many of them running riots [b][u]in the West [/u][/b]do you? Bear in mind there are large Chinese population in UK ...
Oh ya, where are the ads with Chinese or Oriental faces ya?
Ya, if you want to go back to WWII, I can better you by listing the Mighty Mongols ... they would slaughter your entire male gene and reproduce with your female no question asked.
kimbers - Member
European civilisation isn't dying, it's just changing, societies are dynamic, conservatism fails to understand this basic truth of humanity.
Ya, changing ... a bit like being bred out innit. 🙄
Dynamic my foot!
The strong prevail while the weak perish.
The Mighty Mongols demonstrated that.
@grum Guardian / BBC or dw.com I think I wil check for you. Likewise the 40% has been reported many times, the Germans have built seperate holding facilities for them so they can be fast track deported. Its tough as I appreciate the economic reasons for trying to latch on to the migration.
I do wonder whether the attack in Istanbul deliberately targetted Germans (excuse 8:30 am cliche) Daesh is not happy at all with Germany taking in refugees and they regard it as un-Islamic to leave Syria - an attempt to destabilise Germany and Merkel ?
kimbers yes Europe is changing, a million Poles in the UK now (most arrived in past 10 years). There will be more Muslims in the UK than Scots within 10 years - a referendum on an Islamic state 😉
jambalaya - Member
I do wonder whether the attack in Istanbul deliberately targetted Germans (excuse 8:30 am cliche) Daesh is not happy at all with Germany taking in refugees and they regard it as un-Islamic to leave Syria - an attempt to destabilise Germany and Merkel ?
Difficult to say but my view is that they will target all the citizen of Western alliance/nations. They are just easy pickings to create chaos and splits using the media. Turkey has an undercurrent so large that it will be the biggest civil war there is once it starts ...
As for tourists if they are at the wrong place at the wrong time they become legitimate target.
That socially inapt stoopid woman (Merkel) now have to deal with self imported problem right at their door step. She actually imported/invited/welcomed the problem/trouble I mean how stoopid can she get eh?
There is compassion then there is stoopido! (new word! new word! "Stoopido!" TM)
Being compassionate and kind towards other human being does not mean having to become stooopido. 🙄
There will be more Muslims in the UK than Scots within 10 years
Jambafact !!
Unless u mean that when the tories flunk us out of the EU that Scotland will leave the UK 😉
kimbers - Member
There will be more Muslims in the UK than Scots within 10 years
Jambafact !!
Logical. How many Scots do you have now? What's the Muslamic world population? Just a tiny percentage will easily over take Scots. 🙄 (ya, I know now you want to define who Scots are innit!)
Unless u mean that when the tories flunk us out of the EU that Scotland will leave the UK
Freedoomm! 
But then Scotland will have to put their hands out begging for food if they want EU to feed them or prostitute their land to "investors". 😛
Ya, have some dignity be poor and starve rather then to beg.
Looks like there has been a similar incident in Sweden.
There was an article on Radio 4 this morning where a Swedish spokesperson said that this kind of behavior and rape of women who are non muslim and who do not stay at home is a passtime and even relaxing!! I'm sure something must have gone awry with her English, but still!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35285086 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35285086[/url]
"Sometimes we do not really say how things are because we believe it may play into the hands of the Sweden Democrats," Mr Agren told Dagens Nyheter, referring to Sweden's right-wing anti-immigration party.
So the police officer covered up, a matter of policy or a personal initiative?
Obviously there's nothing "muslim" about incidents like this.
There certianly seems to be something "middle eastern" about it though
I am completely unfamiliar with the person you qoute but it seems strange and contradictory to argue they can only be dynamic if they are static.
Bergson argued that societies can only become dynamic if they have a static base (i.e. conservative institutions). An example I would use is someone like Michelangelo, a dynamic, radical artist who could not have achieved what he did without the support of a conservative institution.
Followers of Karl Popper, a vastly overrated philosopher IMO, instead argue that a dynamic society can only exist if it effectively declares war on static, traditionalist elements. That is certainly what has happened in the UK in the last 30 years, but I think we are now reaching a watershed, and there will probably be a traditionalist / conservative reaction over the next 30 years (strong nation states, low immigration, even the resurgence of religion).
strong nation states, low immigration, even the resurgence of religion).
Really? Despite our ageing population's need for young tax paying workers and the lowest ever church attendance figures being released this week
I think you are living in a fantasy land
@kimbers there was some research that looked at trends in immigration and also factors like family size, definite cultural factors at play.
German government now saying they think the Istanbul bomb deliberately targetted Germans (I did wonder whether it was a specific German tour group which was singled out). Daesh wants to atack those that offer help to Muslims as much as it wants to attack those that take military action or simply go on holiday and thus help local economies and serve to integrate communities.
I think you are living in a fantasy land
30 years is a long time...let's just say I'm in for the longhaul!
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A 26-year-old Algerian man stands accused of groping a woman and stealing her mobile phone, said Cologne's chief prosecutor, Ulrich Bremer. He is the first to be arrested for sexual assault charges.
The unidentified asylum-seeker was arrested along with a 22-year old Algerian over the weekend at a refugee home in Kerpen, 30 kilometers outside of Cologne, Bremer said. The other suspect was in possession of a cell phone which was stolen during the attacks at Cologne's central train station.[/i]
Algeria, whats so dangerous about that country to justify an asylum claim and where has the yiung man come from Syria ? If so what was he doing there ?
[url= http://www.dw.com/en/cologne-detains-first-sexual-assault-suspect-in-new-years-attacks/a-18987595 ]Story link[/url]
