[Closed] Cocaine/Cannibis users - what are the long term symptoms of combining these?

A very laid back frenzied friend who constantly rubs their nose nonchalantly?

ask FRANK

Here's an instructional video:

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For slightly more accurate advice, I'd say go and look at the "ask frank" website thing the government put up. However, if you want a slightly more general versions...

Cocaine: Symptoms of cocaine use are things like having too much money, being loud and obnoxious at parties, and parts of your nose falling out. Serious symptoms are mood swings, depression and full-on addition to the evil stuff thanks to the body's way of using the neurochemical it releases in the brain to put down strong memories for you.

Cannabis: Symptoms include eating a lot of crisps, sitting around a lot giggling like a girl at the drop of a hat. Serious symptoms would be depression, tiredness and possible weight gain.

If you really want to find out what to look for, and you are genuinely worried about someone using the above, you really should be using something like a drug awareness website.

Yes, it is a serious question. Can anyone recommend any drug awareness sites that are genuinely constructive/informative? I would like to understand more, I am not looking to intervene as I dont feel its my place.

erowid.com for user's perspectives.

Also depends on how much use, there's a big difference to someone having a big night out every now and then, and daily use. In the former case you'd probably only ever know if you were out with them at the time.

Habitual lying, Narnia levels of fantasy world?

The Southern Yeti - Member

Narnia levels of fantasy world?

Narnia, the mythical kingdom that manages to combine a landscape dusted in a liberal coating of white powder with a fervent and insatiable desire for Turkish delight. A drug enthusiast's nirvana.

If you want the truth, ask someone who's on the stuff, not government propaganda websites.

Nose falling out, my arse! 😆 I don't smoke so have never done cannabis, but i have done quite a lot of the other, hanging out with muscians and club DJ's-
I can assure you the only damage to my nose is from punches to the face as a kid!
I'm neither paranoid, hyper OR, as anyone who knows me, far from underweight!
nor am i disposed to take heavier drugs( i take it you mean smack) tho i have tried other fun stuff that gets touted as highly addictive, and guess what? It aint.
Its a personality with certain traits that gets addicted to ANY substance and the substance is used as a psychological crutch - something to blame, and this type of person will always portray themself as the victim. Its circumstances fault, its the drugs fault, its my bosses fault, i was raped and bummed as a child... yadda yadda, they can never accept personal responsibility for thier own actions or misfortune.
I'll grant you i'm loud and obnoxious, but i was like this well before 1989!

Dont believe the bollocks, folk.

Back in my day people's eyes usually a good sign. Pin-eyes = junkies. Glassy = something in tablet form, valium etc. Red = marijuana.

And lying to you and stealing your stuff, borrowing money and never giving it back also indicators.

Oh yeah and add paranoia that seems to be a symptom of all drug use, or possibly a cause.

They're very different drugs, not many people would really use both, IME.

Cannabis isn't addictive, and doesn't really have any long term effects, unless used constantly (arguable). You will probably only be able to find out if someone does use cannabis if they've done it within an hour or two, and are still stoned. Look at their eyes, smell their clothes and hair. If you see king size rizlas lying around then its a big sign. Especially if they don't smoke tobacco.

Cocaine is a very nasty drug. Its more likely that they're into MCat, have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone

Its very nasty that stuff. And you can buy it online legally (I think... have a look at this http://absolutelylegal.co.uk/default.asp its disgraceful - MCat is a plant food type thing)

Miow / Mcat is another with a bad press it doesnt deserve.
Now i absolutely am FPMSL! plantfood!

Right, for a start it isnt plantfood! Its ,marketed as such to get round legality.
Its syntheses is very close to MDMA methdioxymethylamphetamine. E to you, its also a chemical synthese of of the active ingrediant of Khat plants, hence the name miow, Africans have been chewing Ghat / Khat leaves for generations without adverse affects

The problems with the drug in this country lie in naive teenagers doing far far too much and mixing it with barbiturates and alcohol, this is the lethal and dangerous combination.

FYI: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18712-miaowmiaow-on-trial-truth-or-trumpedup-charges.html?full=true#bxdn18712B1

Africans have been chewing Ghat / Khat leaves for generations without adverse affects

And something that is chemically engineered to be similar to something that *might* not be all that bad isn't necessarily safe.

Cannabis isn't addictive, and doesn't really have any long term effects

Complete balls. Many people I know still smoke the stupid stuff thirty-odd years down the line. They don't think they're addicted either...

If a person smoking weed doesn't want anyone to know they're smoking it then it can be very difficult to sometimes tell. I smoked it for about 15 years and only my close friends new I was a smoker.
A regular smoker will be able to funtion very normally as you quickly build up a tolerance to it.
Smoking it does give you blood shot eyes but you can buy eye whitener to disguise that. The only giveaway for me would be the smell of it if you were carrying some. It has a very strong distinctive smell.
As for Cocaine, I was only a social user so can't really comment.
Realman, I would argue the fact that you think it isn't addictive? Maybe not phsically but certainly psychologically. I still get very stong cravings and I stopped a couple of years ago.

Re the OP: it depends whether you're looking for evidence to prove a theory or are genuinely concerned about someone's welfare. FWIW plenty of people who use both hold down difficult jobs and are exemplary parents. So, there may not be an behavioural giveaways at all. Your best bet is regular amounts of cash being withdrawn and nothing to show for it (unless dealers have started taking paypal).

I know a girl who has had daily nosebleeds for over a year (possibly longer). Shes looking into lasering to stop this however she obviously still enjoys snorting the stuff so isn't looking for the fix yet.

Cannabis isn't addictive, and doesn't really have any long term effects

Why do you want to know? Unless their behaviour is impacting on you (your kids or said 'users' kids) then I seriously doubt that their personal life has aything to do with you.

Do you remember all the scare story's about MDMA in the 80's and 90's, a synthesised drug?- Mood swings, paranoia, brain cell death, long term mental health problems i can go on..

Now research has proven it is the safest drugs out there, far safer then the big legal two,and now with 30 years use and evidence there seems to be non of the side effects that were mentioned in the scare mongering of the day?

Hora, ever considered she may have had an underlying nasal blood vessel problem before her use? Granted using isnt helping matters...

There are no signs. Some people conform to stereotypes, some don't. Best bet is ask them? Try for a non judgemental/ blaming way. Like "such and such says you do coke, is that true? why, Whats it like?" Bare in mind that plenty of people take drugs and don't become homeless or prostitutes.

If you are concerned about your friend in a OH MY GOD!!! DRUGGSSSSS! Kind of way, don't worry so much. If their behaviour has become strange to you, ask them why they do certain things (change of friends/social scene, change of routine/ personal focus etc) If you are worried about their immediate health (increasingly erratic behaviour, looking ill, mental health concerns) then you need to speak to them, but again, don't blame or say things like "why do you do it to yourself" as this will stop them wanting to talk to you.

essentially, whilst under the influence, coke makes people pushy, gobby, the life of the party (in their head) and flu like symptoms the next day. Marijuana makes people think they are insightful and clever, whilst lying on the floor staring at the walls. Lots of talking, slowly about unusual subjects. Signs of use include cigarettes with no tobacco in them (but paper and filter still in place) large rolling papers, strong smell. Coke doesn't really have any signs short term, perhaps more/less money?

you shouldn't worry too much about casual drug use, if its "just at weekends etc" its no different really to alcohol. There are definite risks involved but thats the case with most things.

To be honest unless you are concerned that there is an immediate issue, I'd steer clear of getting involved, people don't like being told how to live their lives, especially by people who don't subscribe to their ideals.

HTH

Hora, ever considered she may have had an underlying nasal blood vessel problem before her use? Granted using isnt helping matters...

Epic-user apparently so either its a big coincidence or its linked.

Epic use, fair enough,i can see that causing a problem- but to use that much anyhow i'd say she has bigger problems in her life?

missuse of the legal drugs to such levels would be dangerous to health also, some people don't know when enough is enough

epic user apparantly? Someone could say you like riding on a polish bike, doesn't make it true though. Unless of course you do.

Someone could say you like riding on a polish bike, doesn't make it true though. Unless of course you do.

definitely speak to the person in question.. there's no other rational course of action..

I know of some folk that benefit from using illegal drugs by way of infinitely increasing their potential as a human being..
I know of others that have taken illegal drugs and turned into completely odeous and miserable creatures akin to Gollum..
I know of yet others who enjoy illegal drugs as you or I might enjoy an occasional real ale or good wine or a meal..

I had a good old stint on a bit of everything in my past and now prefer to give all of it a wide berth..

meehaja speaks alot of sense in his post above

The person I am curious about - Distorted beliefs about every day stuff and inability to see they are distorted however much logic is ignored in order to continue believing the distorted belief. Very paranoid views of situations and people. Saying something and 2 days later having no real recall of the discussion, let alone details. Massive mood swings from saying people are wonderful to hating them with a vengeance. General overall mood swing from 'not interested in designer wear snobbery, being competitive is not my thing at all, not attention seeking' to 'centre of the room, all must be designer quality, obsession with competitive behaviour' as rough example of mood/personality swing.
I know they did used to take both cocaine and cannabis regularly and in close time frames ie multiple doses in same week of each drug. I just wonder if this 'personality' is the result of long term use, if they are back on biggish doses or if its just their basic personality and nothing at all to do with what they have taken.

Does it impact on me?
Yes.
Do I want to become further involved or intervene on a personal level? No.
Am a puzzled by the behaviour?
Yes, so I want to understand it for my own benefit.
I dont wish to discuss it with the person. I dont think it would benefit either of us to make it into a personal discussion. They have plenty of family/associates if they want help and they seem to see no signs of personality issues in themselves, so I cant see them wanting 'help' as they seem happy even if they are a pain in the ass to other people.

Maybe so hora. Still you're the one juddging someone bassed on what someone else has told you. Do you have any evedence that she is an epic user? Or is it banter due to her nose bleed?

I agree broadly with meehaja

If you have other things in your life apart from the drugs it means the drugs are unlikely to take over you life. A couple of lines of coke on a saturday night is one thing - spending friday to sunday every week in a major coke frenzy is another altogether

Coke turns people into stroppy aresholes. Ruins your cardiovascular system when done to excess- heat attacks and strokes.

Cannabis just makes folk dull. Ruins your lungs as well

Mepedrone is just a weak version of Es Of no great concern. Its been banned now anyway so quality and strength will go down and price will go up.

then I seriously doubt that their personal life has aything to do with you.

The person I am curious about - Distorted beliefs about every day stuff and inability to see they are distorted however much logic is ignored in order to continue believing the distorted belief. Very paranoid views of situations and people. Saying something and 2 days later having no real recall of the discussion, let alone details. Massive mood swings from saying people are wonderful to hating them with a vengeance. General overall mood swing from 'not interested in designer wear snobbery, being competitive is not my thing at all, not attention seeking' to 'centre of the room, all must be designer quality, obsession with competitive behaviour' as rough example of mood/personality swing.

Sounds like my teenage daughter!!

It went something along the lines of

"I coughed blood up last night" (just a casual throw-out there comment).

I heard and said I BEG your pardon? (contrary to popular belief I actually do care you know).

It then transpired that the girl regularly did this as 'in her sleep her nose bleeds ran downwards, some inside'.

I then became concerned and pressed her to go to the Doctors. She didn't in the end and still has them. What can I do? Force her?

I was called 'naive' for not knowing that if you do alot of coke this is 'probably' linked.

Come to think about it it has happened for going on two years. I posted something about this at the time.

Ps. People who 'do' Coke are insecure IMO. You don't need something to make you feel 'fantastic' or give you more energy. If you do, somethings a miss.

Symptoms include eating a lot of crisps, sitting around a lot giggling like a girl at the drop of a hat.

These are the symptoms I get from mountain biking

think they are insightful and clever, whilst lying on the floor staring at the walls. Lots of talking, slowly about unusual subjects.

And this is me normally.

inability to see they are distorted however much logic is ignored in order to continue believing the distorted belief. Very paranoid views of situations and people.

And this is my GF.

And we havn't spent a penny on illegal drugs!

I seriously doubt anyone who knows me would call me insecure! 😆

and as for using drugs for extra energy? COME ON!!
I once tried ephedrine as an experiment, for more endurance on the bike... it failed miserably.

[i]The person I am curious about - Distorted beliefs about every day stuff and inability to see they are distorted however much logic is ignored in order to continue believing the distorted belief. Very paranoid views of situations and people. [/i]

so far it sounds like a daily mail reader

[i]Saying something and 2 days later having no real recall of the discussion, let alone details Massive mood swings from saying people are wonderful to hating them with a vengeance. General overall mood swing from 'not interested in designer wear snobbery, being competitive is not my thing at all, not attention seeking' to 'centre of the room, all must be designer quality, obsession with competitive behaviour' as rough example of mood/personality swing.[/i]

sounds very much like a friend of mine when he was heavily into coke and pills,though he never really smoked weed, it culminated with a kind of breakdown- a year out from all that sh!t and he was back to normal, well normal for him
he still indulges now but ot to the extent he did back then

One word to search for...STRUTTER.

Genius. I forgot all about Strutter 😀

My fave:

and the daddy:

Midnight hour - sounds like they are taking a load of coke. Nasty drug

Alot of people on seem to be forming opinions without much in the way of insight into the subject. Stop being busy bodies. Hora for all you know this girl may have already been to the doctors because she has a congenetal defect with her ENT and you co workers could be as ill informed as you and jumped to the conclusion she must be inhaling drugs. She might be a massive coke head. Who knows?

Midnighthour, you want to know why they are behaving like they are yet it serve no purpose to you. Again their behaviour could be linked to illegal drugs, or maybe not. What possible purpose could it serve to you other then some sort of sick pleasure gained from watching them unravel.

Mr Whoppit, I know people who started drinking 30 years ago who have never stopped, they are all conviced they're not addicted either.

long term effects could be nothing; behaving entirely normally.

or needing to be sectioned.

or most likely somewhere in the middle; the problem is it will effect different people to a differing amount.

Also after prolonged periods of heavy use it can take a long time to rebalance. years some times.

trying not to get bogged down in the incessant rantings of the STW few.....

the one thing you say is that you dont want to intervene, then take a huge step back and avoid the person at all costs.

their behaviour could be due to one of many things, the coke, even minor use would lead them to behave like the insecure prick you describe. They might smoke regularly to no obvious effect, or they might smoke to 'get through' a comedown period. most likely re-use, or increased use is likely brought on by another social factor.

you seem to think that the high might be coke and the paranoia due to the puff. This is far too simplistic. A lot like some of the drivel already spouted on this thread by the media informed......

I know people who started drinking 30 years ago who have never stopped

30 years of sitting at home alone getting wasted on cheap vodka: bad.

30 years of socialising over a couple of drinks or having a glass of wine with a meal: no real issue.

m_f. That is my point exactly, 30 years of recreational smoking is no worse then 30 years of social drinking is it not?

Can't speak for cannabis but I've prob had much more cocaine use than 99% on here, have had some great memories but it has also left it's mark psychologically.

Wouldn't change anything though. I have some serious stories to tell my kids when they get older...

To the OP, if you need advise re. Cocaine use feel free to email me.